RLX / TLX Comparison
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#42
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The thing is that the Sports Hybrid does have a smooth luxury ride. Because of the electric motors and torque vectoring it also has a great deal of power and terrific handling. For my money it is the best of both worlds -- smooth, comfortable cruiser that can feel like a big, powerful sports car if you put your foot down. Hard to describe the ride any better without actually sitting behind the wheel.
I test drove the regular RLX when it first came out. I asked myself why I would spend this much money to have this unsettled and jittering ride. I immediately thought of how much better the GS or the 5 series ride.
Someone said it right. They should have released the Sport Hybrid first, then the regular FWD to boast sales. I understand there must have been reasons why that didn't happen but I believe the delay has hurt Acura very much.
I would love to drive the Sport Hybrid soon though.
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^^^
If you test drive the Sport Hybrid bring money, as you will be sorely tempted to pull the trigger.
That's the way it happened for each of the owners here so far.
If you test drive the Sport Hybrid bring money, as you will be sorely tempted to pull the trigger.
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I think Acura WILL realize that they have a real winner with the RLX hybrid and put the next years model into production sooner than later. The 2014s are not perfect and need some polishing, particularly the infotainment stuff but the driving dynamics they really nailed. I think there is a much larger market than 250 cars/yr. for the Sports Hybrid.
If they can fix the non-hybrid RLX they can get the brand back to where it deserves to be. This is going to be a big job because there is a lot wrong with the existing RLX (think a mechanical AWD) and they now have the additional challenge of overcoming a negative image. Still the Sports Hybrid gives me hope Acura can do it.
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I have to say that I wanted a car with a firm ride and not a cushy ride; that can be tossed around (firm requirement); with great reliability (after 4 yrs of ownership); all of the security nannies (without having to check ALL of the option boxes) that can be turned off; instant torque; a size that will allow 6'3" to be comfortable (that is not me); AND something better that the 19/22 on my prior car, and in a AWD...down to Audi A6TDI Prestige and maybe a BMW. Or compromise on one or more of the requirements and even consider a Subie H6; or the 450h.
Then this comes around and once I drove it then it was time to negotiate....and time will tell if it lives up to MY expectations and so far it is fun....
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#46
This is not helpful to Acura after the first several delay...both for TLX and RLX SH AWD. Not related to the RLX but still brings into question QA and QC...
Acura halts sales of TLX sedans with V6 engine
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Acura has issued a stop-sale order to its dealers and notified the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration of a potential safety defect with new Acura TLX sedans equipped with a V6 engine and nine-speed automatic transmission.
The problem is that transmission components in the TLX might have been damaged during manufacture, according to a technical service bulletin issued by Acura. As a result, the shift indicator could indicate that the transmission is in park when it is not, which could allow the vehicle to roll away.
An representative from the automaker confirmed the stop-sale order for the Acura TLX and stated that NHTSA has been informed of the problem. He had no further comment other than indicating that a more complete statement will be forthcoming pending NHTSA’s review of the situation. Issuing a stop-sale order and notifying NHTSA are typically the first steps an automaker takes in initiating a recall. (Learn what to do if your car gets recalled.)
The stop-sale order comes just months after Acura TLX models equipped with the new nine-speed transmission went on sale. Four-cylinder versions use a different transmission and are not included in the stop-sale order.
In our test of a TLX V6, we found the push-button shifter to be awkward to use, but we didn’t experience any other problems.
Acura halts sales of TLX sedans with V6 engine
Jim Travers 2 hrs ago
Acura has issued a stop-sale order to its dealers and notified the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration of a potential safety defect with new Acura TLX sedans equipped with a V6 engine and nine-speed automatic transmission.
The problem is that transmission components in the TLX might have been damaged during manufacture, according to a technical service bulletin issued by Acura. As a result, the shift indicator could indicate that the transmission is in park when it is not, which could allow the vehicle to roll away.
An representative from the automaker confirmed the stop-sale order for the Acura TLX and stated that NHTSA has been informed of the problem. He had no further comment other than indicating that a more complete statement will be forthcoming pending NHTSA’s review of the situation. Issuing a stop-sale order and notifying NHTSA are typically the first steps an automaker takes in initiating a recall. (Learn what to do if your car gets recalled.)
The stop-sale order comes just months after Acura TLX models equipped with the new nine-speed transmission went on sale. Four-cylinder versions use a different transmission and are not included in the stop-sale order.
In our test of a TLX V6, we found the push-button shifter to be awkward to use, but we didn’t experience any other problems.
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For me, they lose all credibility when they say that the push-button shifter is "awkward to use". It is DIFFERENT and would take a bit of time to become as "automatic" as the gear lever we are used to, but I fail to see how pushing a button can be labeled as being awkward by anyone who is unbiased toward the car. This is a classic example of reviewers spending 10 minutes in a car and then writing a review. (apologies for the rant)
That said, this issue is yet another reason to be leery of buying first-year models especially those with COOL AND UNIQUE NEW FEATURES.
That said, this issue is yet another reason to be leery of buying first-year models especially those with COOL AND UNIQUE NEW FEATURES.
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For me, they lose all credibility when they say that the push-button shifter is "awkward to use". It is DIFFERENT and would take a bit of time to become as "automatic" as the gear lever we are used to, but I fail to see how pushing a button can be labeled as being awkward by anyone who is unbiased toward the car. This is a classic example of reviewers spending 10 minutes in a car and then writing a review. (apologies for the rant)
That said, this issue is yet another reason to be leery of buying first-year models especially those with COOL AND UNIQUE NEW FEATURES.
That said, this issue is yet another reason to be leery of buying first-year models especially those with COOL AND UNIQUE NEW FEATURES.
Anyway, after only a few weeks I was as comfortable with the push button shifter as the traditional one.
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The 9 ZF issue is going to be easy to solve, and blame on ZF. :-) They just giving them new, later transmissions that they're sure were put together right.
But it's still scary, especially when on top of that you have people complaining about the 8 DCT shifting too hard, or mysteriously just clunking into neutral while underway.
The 8 DCT turns out is only early cars and can be fixed with a software upgrade.
But in combination with the 9 ZF issue, it kind of makes you wonder when your own 7 DCT is going to start acting up.
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But it's still scary, especially when on top of that you have people complaining about the 8 DCT shifting too hard, or mysteriously just clunking into neutral while underway.
The 8 DCT turns out is only early cars and can be fixed with a software upgrade.
But in combination with the 9 ZF issue, it kind of makes you wonder when your own 7 DCT is going to start acting up.
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I'll pitch in with Holographique on the suspension. If the RLX had a true luxury car suspension I think it would appeal to a lot more lux buyers and sales would be better. But let a Mercedes or Audi shopper drive the car and they get out frowning and saying, "This car rides too rough!"
It's okay on a smooth road, but when you hit a bump it shows its ass. (Can I say that? :wink![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Yes, I know Acura has the "sporty car" ethos going, but they need to tailor that to the model. The RLX ain't for corner-carvers and off-ramp pushers, and it shouldn't have a TL suspension. The ideal solution is probably a selectable suspension, where you can push a button to get a smooth ride for everyday or a stiffer one for the twisties.
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It's okay on a smooth road, but when you hit a bump it shows its ass. (Can I say that? :wink
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Yes, I know Acura has the "sporty car" ethos going, but they need to tailor that to the model. The RLX ain't for corner-carvers and off-ramp pushers, and it shouldn't have a TL suspension. The ideal solution is probably a selectable suspension, where you can push a button to get a smooth ride for everyday or a stiffer one for the twisties.
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#52
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^^I agree and hopefully an adjustable suspension is part of any 2016 changes. It would be as simple as having a "softer" setting for normal driving and a stiffer setting for Sport Mode driving.
My wife's MDX has the "adjustable shocks" and they did have a recall related to that feature where they had to replace the dampers. It could be that Acura is a bit gun shy about putting them (or similar technology) on the RLX???
My wife's MDX has the "adjustable shocks" and they did have a recall related to that feature where they had to replace the dampers. It could be that Acura is a bit gun shy about putting them (or similar technology) on the RLX???
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I don't get why Acura would be concerned about putting in adjustable shocks for the RLX. That'd really help the suspension complaints here. Acura/Honda usually gets suspensions right. I wonder how they screwed up on the RLX PAWS?
I don't get why Acura would be concerned about putting in adjustable shocks for the RLX. That'd really help the suspension complaints here. Acura/Honda usually gets suspensions right. I wonder how they screwed up on the RLX PAWS?
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I really believe the RLX suspension was designed for the SH RLX. The additional weight and better weight distribution of the SH seems to address the issues. I drove a PAWS and the SH in the same day last March and they were different cars.
I think the PAWs RLX was a quick stop gap measure to get the car to market faster as the SH was still in testing.
I have been told the RLX was never expected to be a volume car. There is a part of me that believes PAWs was intended for the TLX and down. Further I wonder if the RLX was only intended to be in SH form (as will be the LEGEND).
I think the PAWs RLX was a quick stop gap measure to get the car to market faster as the SH was still in testing.
I have been told the RLX was never expected to be a volume car. There is a part of me that believes PAWs was intended for the TLX and down. Further I wonder if the RLX was only intended to be in SH form (as will be the LEGEND).
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I see no indication that they're thinking of going back to rheological dampeners. They probably have to license it from Delco and you know that hate that.
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I see it differently....
When you mess something up, you are going to get criticized no matter what.
When you are transparent about it, you at least gain the benefit of:
a) showing you care enough about your brand and image in the eyes of your existing customers, regardless of what others may think or regardless of what criticism you get. They at least show they care.
b) showing you care enough to want to maintain trust and confidence in your existing customers by being straight and open with them.
By not being transparent, all you end up with is criticism and nothing else.
When you mess something up, you are going to get criticized no matter what.
When you are transparent about it, you at least gain the benefit of:
a) showing you care enough about your brand and image in the eyes of your existing customers, regardless of what others may think or regardless of what criticism you get. They at least show they care.
b) showing you care enough to want to maintain trust and confidence in your existing customers by being straight and open with them.
By not being transparent, all you end up with is criticism and nothing else.
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^^ Clearly we'll disagree on this. But I feel just as strongly the opposite. BUT I don't speak for Acura so we'll have to guess if this is really what they're thinking.
From my point of view, I've been around these for a really long time, I remember when Honda/Acura were incredibly secretive. They never shared ANYTHING about their future plans. IMO, this gave rise to the 'old' rumor sites like Temple of VTEC in the early '00s.
In the late '00s Acura started embracing the internet and social media and sharing what they were planning. When the economy forced a change in plans (which is Honda's prerogative since it's their company), the internet lost it's ever-lovin' mind. A backlash we still see today. Thus, from my POV, I think Acura is correct to clamp up and release things when they're ready. Press releases to tell you why its late are unnecessary because the development process is not for public consumption.
From my point of view, I've been around these for a really long time, I remember when Honda/Acura were incredibly secretive. They never shared ANYTHING about their future plans. IMO, this gave rise to the 'old' rumor sites like Temple of VTEC in the early '00s.
In the late '00s Acura started embracing the internet and social media and sharing what they were planning. When the economy forced a change in plans (which is Honda's prerogative since it's their company), the internet lost it's ever-lovin' mind. A backlash we still see today. Thus, from my POV, I think Acura is correct to clamp up and release things when they're ready. Press releases to tell you why its late are unnecessary because the development process is not for public consumption.
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The internet will always loose it's ever-lovin mind. It's the same insane mass public that has ALWAYS existed, just easier to hear and read what they are all thinking thanks to instant communication mechanisms like FB, Twitter, Forums, etc etc...
Transparency is huge in today's world of social media and instant communication from the consumer to the manufacturer and vice-versa. There have been plenty of examples in the past 5 or so years where companies come out stronger than ever when they fess up and explain why and how mistakes happened. I'm not talking about giving away release dates, unreleased product details, etc. I'm talking about when you F something up and you miss expectations you set previously through your marketing engine.
There is an elegance to marketing and communication, and it's that elegance that Acura could be better at.
Transparency is huge in today's world of social media and instant communication from the consumer to the manufacturer and vice-versa. There have been plenty of examples in the past 5 or so years where companies come out stronger than ever when they fess up and explain why and how mistakes happened. I'm not talking about giving away release dates, unreleased product details, etc. I'm talking about when you F something up and you miss expectations you set previously through your marketing engine.
There is an elegance to marketing and communication, and it's that elegance that Acura could be better at.
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I don't agree 100% with anybody, but with that particular comment, I think you hit the nail on the head.
Public communications are dominated by partisans who are largely ignorant, and might not even own or have the resources to own the product they're trying to destroy.
Public media are also just about the grandest waste of executive temporal resources that I've ever experienced. I've resisted Instagram because, having lived through Facebook and Twitter, I just don't have time for that.
You just waste ½ your life talking to people who have not been vetted by any system to give their voices legitimacy.
You might as well go into politics.
Public communications are dominated by partisans who are largely ignorant, and might not even own or have the resources to own the product they're trying to destroy.
Public media are also just about the grandest waste of executive temporal resources that I've ever experienced. I've resisted Instagram because, having lived through Facebook and Twitter, I just don't have time for that.
You just waste ½ your life talking to people who have not been vetted by any system to give their voices legitimacy.
You might as well go into politics.
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Germans has been RWD, V8s ever, and Acura FWD , V6s ever. People were happy with
his V6s fwd Legends even the press concede that Acura dont need V8s since his
engines were so smooth and powerful. The perfect world for Acura was over when Hyundai
introduce his line of RWD V6s, V8s.
his V6s fwd Legends even the press concede that Acura dont need V8s since his
engines were so smooth and powerful. The perfect world for Acura was over when Hyundai
introduce his line of RWD V6s, V8s.
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Germans has been RWD, V8s ever, and Acura FWD , V6s ever. People were happy with
his V6s fwd Legends even the press concede that Acura dont need V8s since his
engines were so smooth and powerful. The perfect world for Acura was over when Hyundai
introduce his line of RWD V6s, V8s.
his V6s fwd Legends even the press concede that Acura dont need V8s since his
engines were so smooth and powerful. The perfect world for Acura was over when Hyundai
introduce his line of RWD V6s, V8s.
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to Honda, after all V8 RWD cars has been available in the market since the
first car were built. If Honda built such car the press reaction will be - WHATS UP WITH HONDA , A RWD V8 CAR ?? THATS HIS MODERN INTERPRETATION OF
21 CENTURY VEHICLE ???. A 1930 SETUP ??.
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Driving a TLX for the first time in a long time.
Dealer loaner car, TLX V6 P-AWS Advance.
After being in the RLX SH for so long, I think I forgot how good I had it.
There's nothing really wrong...it's just not the RLX.
Dealer loaner car, TLX V6 P-AWS Advance.
After being in the RLX SH for so long, I think I forgot how good I had it.
There's nothing really wrong...it's just not the RLX.
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And I'm jealous of the ability to move the audio source icons around.
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Turn-in is quite crisp, and I'd like to say, again, that P-AWS works.
And as always there's that one gear shift that's almost jarring.
They want my car another day, so I've still got the TLX.
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There are times I do prefer driving Maria's TLX over the RLX. To me, it seems to be peppier in the Sport + mode vs the RLX sport mode. Yes, the 1-2 gear shift can be jarring at times. I do like the ability to see the artist and song on the audio display without having to hit the audio button and look at teh upper screen. Plus, the auto seat heaters are something that should be on the RLX.
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Hmmm....more work or harder to finish work. Maybe they are having fun driving it around (just kidding). BTW I love the Acuralink app as I can tell where my car is on the map and if it has moved.
When I had it in for some accessories I could tell the hood was open. Pretty cool (or creepy if you are that type of person)...
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The front seats auto heat and auto cool depending on the outside temp - meaning they come on without any input from driver or passenger.
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I can see how you can make sure that once the seat reach a certain temperature you can keep cycling on/off to prevent battery drain. I suspect this will require the engine to be on OR to turn on remotely.
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It's hard to determine this since in almost every occasion you are going to be with your car when using the map portion of the app. I just happened to notice it when I pulled it up one time while my RLX was in the shop for the accident repairs, and the map showed my location at home, not the car location (at the shop).
As for the other "remote" functions of the app, they are great and very useful for specific situations. The "horn/flashing lights" remote command helped me out once at a huge festival. I only knew the "general" location of where I had parked in a huge grass field, and it was 3am at night. Sent the remote commands and within seconds it started going off.
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The seat heaters have not been coming on with this car the past couple of days, and it has been quite cold.
TLX V6 Advance Package P-AWS
Is that the kind of car the seat heaters are supposed to come on by themselves?
It's a nice car. Nothing really wrong with it. But I can't wait to get back into my car tomorrow. :-)
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They replaced the headlights, too. I didn't even know they could get their hands on them yet.
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Well, that's weird.
The seat heaters have not been coming on with this car the past couple of days, and it has been quite cold.
TLX V6 Advance Package P-AWS
Is that the kind of car the seat heaters are supposed to come on by themselves?
It's a nice car. Nothing really wrong with it. But I can't wait to get back into my car tomorrow. :-)
The seat heaters have not been coming on with this car the past couple of days, and it has been quite cold.
TLX V6 Advance Package P-AWS
Is that the kind of car the seat heaters are supposed to come on by themselves?
It's a nice car. Nothing really wrong with it. But I can't wait to get back into my car tomorrow. :-)
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I am amazed that there are features on the TLX that are not on the RLX Advance. You would think the RLX Advance would have all the features of the TLX plus.