Tony Pac

https://hondanews.com/en-US/releases...l-debut-oct-14

Tony Pac

I think a new section should be created for 4th Gen MDX.

TSX69

ESHBG

The new flagship, eh? Interesting.

fiatlux

What a time to be alive. Makes sense, the MDX is the largest and most expensive car, and it’s not like Acura ever had a serious flagship to hang its hat on.

fiatlux

I love how the hype has already started with some of the fans:

What the heck are people expecting, the Type-S to have the same powertrain as the NSX?

mrgold35

Looking forward to seeing without camo and reading/seeing the online reviews on YouTube and car magazines. Won't think about replacing my 19 MDX hybrid unless there is a 4th Gen hybrid. Still a little confused on Acura skipping some of the TLX Adv features on the TLX Type-S like no remote start, power folding mirrors, LED fogs, HUD, etc... I hope Acura doesn't do the same with the MDX and use only the 2.0T for the base, Tech, Adv models, and save the 3.0T for the MDX Type-S only.

I can see the 4th Gen MDX having about the same equipment breakdown as shown on Temple of V.T.E.C model break down of 2021 TLX
https://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?...tem_id=1424335

fiatlux

I think that's exactly what they'll do. If we're lucky, maybe we'll get a detuned version of the 3.0T for the A-Spec or Advanced model, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. There's just not enough room between the 2.0T and the 3.0T in terms of power to fit in another engine option. Mercedes, Volvo, and Audi already use their 2.0T as the base engine (GLE350, XC90 T5, and Q7 45 TFSI), and the next step up would be what the Type-S competes with (GLE450, XC90 T6/T8, and Q7 55 TFSI, plus the base X5 xDrive40i).

Tony Pac

Based on the RDX infotainment leaked images, the MDX will have pano, digital gauges, air suspension and few other goodies. I believe Acura will give the MDX some extra features and place it above the TLX...new flagship as per today's article lol!

ESHBG

I'm kind of thinking this also. My guess is they threw crap at the wall for the TLX to see what sticks and will sell whatever they can and then in a few years kill it off completely. But with this MDX they will put more time and effort into it and will push the price even more through the roof.

Lower, wider, sportier, but with less room... almost sounds as if they are going for a wagon-ish vehicle vs a bonafide SUV.

iutodd

The 3.0t needs to be the volume model and that is how Acura should approach this. The 2.0t doesn’t tow enough and neither does the Sport Hybrid if it continues. 355 hp actually is about right given the comp for a turbo 6 model.

So it’s base/tech 2.0t to keep pricing inline with the current model ($45/$49k)...then the 3.0t SHAWD base comes in somewhere around $52-$53k and tops out around $67k for the Advance+ent.

That’s a decent price jump from the current gen - but the turbo 6 is lot more powerful and it seems like the interior will be quite a bit nicer with a lot of new features. Those prices are also quite a bit below where the turbo-6 comp is - the Germans all start around $60k so it’s still a good value in the segment.

Type-S is either just a more powerful turbo 6 or is a PHEV or something.

moose66

Bingo!!!!!! Not a peep about a hybrid.

fiatlux

There's no indication that the 2.0T can't tow. The GLE350 with its "puny" 2.0T is rated to tow 7,700lb. Keep in mind that towing is usually not limited by the engine; it's limited by the chassis, brakes, and/or transmission.

I think the problem is that Acura may very well give the MDX Type-S the full blown Type-S treatment (bigger brakes, fancier aero, etc.). These are things a three-row family midsize crossover frankly does not need, and will only serve to inflate the price beyond what people will be willing to pay. The problem is, if they keep the price down by just using the 3.0T motor and beefed up transmission, people will call it a half assed Type-S, but if they offer both a 3.0T AND a Type-S model, I can't imagine many people would buy the Type-S.

Tony Pac

TBH, it's nice to have a Type S MDX but I rather Acura focus on key components. It's one of the best SUVs out there. It's spacious, well priced and very safe for families.

mellonc

I'm beginning to think that regular hybrid will probably be phased out to be replaced by a plug-in version. That's would be a shame cuz plug-in's are super heavy and loses its advantage on longer trips when initial charge runs out only to be overcome by the burden of empty battery weight.

mrgold35

I would love a plug-in MDX hybrid with 15-25 miles of EV range; but, I know the price would be north of $62,000-$65,000 to start. Adding hybrid tech to the 2.0T+10AT MDX engine would be a cheaper option and good combo to get hp/tq over the +330 hp/tq range with decent hwy mpgs (also being able to tow with 10AT). What I like about the 17-20 MDX hybrid is you don't lose anything on hwy driving range to the 3.5L MDX, zero drop in gas tank size or cargo space, you get the same city or sometimes more mpgs when you reach your destination, and the hybrid powertrain isn't as effected by high altitude driving compared to the 3.5L MDXs.

There is a good chance several versions of hybrid electric+gas power will be the norm for the majority of vehicles/trucks +10 years from now. Acura seems to offer the best "bang-for-the-buck" system at a fraction of the cost. I really don't think we will see any MDX hybrid replacement until the 4th Gen MMC at the earliest (unless the MDX Type-S 3.0T also has hybrid tech to +400 hp/tq).

moose66

Plug-ins sound good. Just not ready for one. If the hybrid platform does disappear, I'll (really the Mrs.) will just drive the MDX until we tire of it and then look elsewhere for a gas only mobile. By that time the Genesis line-up should be vetted, along with the Kia Telluride and Hyundai Palisade.

iutodd

Acura’s biggest weakness is transaction prices. One Type-S trim isn’t going to save them in that regard. Because the comp has gotten so expensive they have an opportunity to offer the turbo-6 for German turbo-4 prices. They cannot raise their prices with a 2.0t MDX - at least not for any sustained period.

Saving the turbo-6 for one trim of the MDX would be a massive mistake.

Also the transaction price benefits of applying the 3.0t in volume hugely outweigh the downsides of then trying to offer a Type-S on top of it.

Because not that many Type-S models will be made and sold anyways. Having a full trim walk available for the 3.0t models will present some sticker shock, but the overall improvements in the model will lessen some of that AND the long term benefits are potentially very well. Also MDX buyers are used to seeing $50s and $60s on the sticker - they are just shifting that upwards a little bit and likely offering a LOT more in terms of power, technology and luxury.

gatrhumpy

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, I will stick with the 3rd gen I have now. 4th gen just looks off, and weird.

datechboss101

I am sticking with my 3rd gen too. Just the talks and mentions of having a turbo 4banger for a heavy vehicle turned me off. I am not sure why everyone wants to shove a small tiny motor with turbos as a base engine for big vehicles. Once those turbos go out, that motor would be producing in the mid 100s for horses.

Edward'TLS

Skip the turbo-Inline-4, go straight for the turbo-V6 that should be on the MDX Type-S. This is the one worth waiting for.

datechboss101

I have to wait for those incentives drop in for a great deal. Hopefully these dealers would give a huge discount down the road. Might be worth it having an MDX Type S as a weekend vehicle.

Tony Pac

QX60: https://www.motor1.com/news/447038/2...rior-revealed/

Looks like Genesis SUV

gatrhumpy

iTrader: (1)

mrgold35

Acura is often criticized for its conservative styling; but, the Acura looks seem to stand the test of time better on average compared to other luxury and near luxury brands.

flanker271

iTrader: (1)

Lol, yet another tablet style stick up infotainment screen layout that destroyed the cohesive flow of the dash. I've lost count of how many automakers are doing this now.

gatrhumpy

iTrader: (1)

That Infiniti is horrible.

WTF.Acura

Digital Dash, Massaging seats, different stitching on the seats, leather dash, better ambient lighting( ambient lighting in the speaker grills), two tone steering wheel, possibility of a bigger screen, and a more horizontal dash than the dash style found in the TLX and RDX.

fiatlux

The TLX needs that digital dash so badly. I wonder if we'll see it in the MMC. Although...having the MPH in the center and represented by a vertical gauge on the right is a bid odd. Still, big miss I think not having it ready for the TLX Advance.

WTF.Acura

I believe Acura wanted to save all the technology for the MDX and after the MDX release they trickle all of the MDX features down to other vehicles because the MDX is the new FLAGSHIP.

mrgold35

Do you know if you can "slide" the navigation functions over to the digital dash to free up space on the center mounted screen? I like the extra real estate of the dual screen set-up with my 18 RLX and 19 MDX a little better than the longer single screen of the +19 RDX that can be a little busy with displaying info.

moose66

The real question here is will HUD be part of any packages.

datechboss101

Pretty sure the Advanced trim and possibly the Type-S will have it.

Jiten Patel

This is such great news, I was expecting these things from their TLX. I'm glad to see it's much more than what they did to the TLX. I guess their SUV's is where it's at now.

WTF.Acura

The screen is broken up into two sections you can have navigation on one side and music on the other.

As you can see in the photo navigation is on the smaller side and you can have something else on the other side. The system basically operates just like the two screen layout but put into a single screen.
https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...f-oct-14-debut

fiatlux

It looks like the shifter buttons and the drive mode dial are arranged in a much more compact manner. I like it, the use of space in the RDX/TLX dash and center console is pretty poor.

honda_nut

Everything about this looks so much more premium than the TLX even with the weird lighting and filters in that video. It's like the TLX team had no idea what the MDX guys were doing.

fiatlux

Maybe they couldn't make it better for fear of stealing the thunder from the MDX. At the end of the day, the MDX is still a segment above the TLX.

honda_nut

I guess lol. Would be nice to have a cohesive lineup though. Before the TLX nomenclature was introduced, the TL and MDX always seemed like they were in the same price class in terms of materials and fit and finish. Even my current TLX does not have the same feel as my parent's MDX even though the design language is similar.

ESHBG

My theory is that the TLX is a burner car and they will milk what they can out of it and then eventually kill it off. There's just no excuse for why a completely redesigned sedan doesn't get most of this stuff. Sure the new MDX is the overall flagship for the brand but the TLX is now the flagship sedan for the brand.