2012wagon

I can't do offset math for tsx for some reason so like some help

I like puppet masters 18x8.5 +30 looks great

Question how nasty sunk will the following set up be :
19x8.5 +43
19x9.5 +45

I imagine the rear will be ok but front super sunk ? It has 245 front and 275 rear on it

Appreciate the help

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

the fronts will extend 14mm extra to the fender.




so, wider than stock wheels by 14mm and if you're okay with how stock wheels look sunken, you'll enjoy these more.

rear, you might have to do a little work to get fit.

2012wagon

So it will be 13 mm? More sunken than puppet on front?

Ugh

Thanks as always bro

It was a sweet set of ce28 great deal

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

no no no!

13mm more than stock!
always compare to stock, as its your baseline.


I guessed on stock offsets. i think its +45.

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

if you want to go to
Wheel Offset Calculator | 1010Tires.com Discount Online Tire and Wheel Store
and enter in puppet masters specs vs your new wheel specs

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

here's puppet masters vs your specs



now, i see what you mean.

2012wagon

Thank you for that measuring tool never saw that before

One more dumb question

So if two wheels have same offset but one is wider than than the other does the width of the wheel go toward inside shock and spring and offset being more aggressive take the wheel to the outside ?

I was just thinkin if I could compensate on offset by going wider
But I learned that is not the case

xtcnrice

Width affects both directions. 1" = 25.4mm. Approximately 12.7mm will go inwards, and other 12.7mm will go outwards.

Also, lower the offset, more the wheel sticks out from the hub.

If you don't mind spacers and these wheels truly are a steal, I'd grab them anyway. Also, 275s are way too excessive at the back. I find 255s max on this car. Even though the rears won't sit flush, they will more than likely rub with the 275s on. I had 18x9.5 +45 on 235/40/r18 rubbers and without rolled fenders, I was really really close to rubbing, despite a sunken battleship look.

2012wagon

Thanks
The wheels are basically new and in storage

Going to go next weekend and put them on and see how bad it is

xtcnrice

Your setup will be 13mm more sunk than puppet's up front, and 12mm more sunk in the back. This is disregarding tire sizes of course. He ran a decent sized tire which filled the wheel wells nicely. Running sizes similar to his on 19s on the other hand will likely be too much if you end up lowering your car (he is lowered iirc).

xtcnrice

Good luck man. CEs are a timeless style, and are by far my favourite wheels.

2012wagon

It's hard to visualize the 12 and 13 mm unless see in car

Thanks for the help

I will post back next weekend

Harper

13mm = about half an inch, so the face of the wheel will be about half an inch sunken compared to puppets wheels.

2012wagon

Asian man familiar with small inches


Half inch doesn't sound bad at all
Will the rear not work per justin above ?

iSeeYouTwo

Rear should be fine with the correct size tire. I'm pretty low & I'm running 19x9.5 +15 and all I needed was a fender roll.

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

^yeah, that 275mm tire wont fit. it will tear up your fender, wagon!

2012wagon

I can get 4 new tires no problem

I just don't want to spend $ if sunk
Since I already have oem ghetto sunk

Again you guys are great
Let's see how bad in person next weekend

Tired of stock grandpa car

Wasn't there a guy in NJ white tsx running 275 on forge star? I think he has Audi s4 now


I am not trying to stuff 275 on underpowered fwd car, just trying to learn

xtcnrice

Naw don't take it the wrong way. We also just trying to guide you into the right direction. We want you to get the wheels!

If it rubs, it'll be because of the tires, not the wheels. In this situation, the wheels themselves will still look sunk, despite rubbing from the tires. That's a lose-lose situation IMO.

You being able to get appropriately sized tires will be hugely beneficial to prevent rubbing. But like I mentioned a couple lines above, the wheels will still look sunk. What's your take on spacers? I haven't had any problems with running spacers, and if you know how to properly torque down nuts to specific torque specs, I don't see your wheels falling off in the foreseeable future.

edit:
I realize "sunk" could be a bit subjective. In my point of view, it's impossible to go with the flush look without rolling your rear fenders, even if you are rubbing in the back without a roll. It still looks "sunk", despite rubbing. For me personally, to achieve flush you'll need a roll and definitely spacers.

2012wagon

Thanks for that
I prefer no spacers due to 2 little kids in car
Doesn't need perfect flush

Most tsx I see here are flush rear
Stick out front
I don't want that

2012wagon

here they are

xtcnrice

How much did you pay if you don't mind me asking?

2012wagon

I didn't pick up. I put a refundable deposit ($300) to hold it till 5/30/15 when I can try it on the car.

Asking price was 3100. We agreed to $2200 (granted it fits/works how I want)

xtcnrice

$2200 is pretty good. You must share your awesome negotiating skills.

Good luck

2012wagon

For us colored people, it is a skill you are born with it. I figured someone yellow as yiourself, would have it as well

Or did you turn white living in Canada

Don't forget your roots, yellow man :p

This is how our people can survive on $1.50 a day.

xtcnrice

Nope I learned from my mom. She's the ultimate haggler. I thought maybe you knew something that's beyond the roots of our peoples.

I just found that most car guys or car shops don't tend to budge when it comes to selling authentic wheels. Nice work

Terdbath

Nice pick up. Handsome upgrade.

gonzo08452

Are you lowering it? I'll be needing tires soon and I'm debating on keeping it stock or going +1 in size. I'm def not messing with the suspension and most likely goung the oem+ route. Oh, and no tint for me.

iSeeYouTwo

Those are going to look great on the wagon!

2012wagon

Yup I had the no tint thing for a while
Sadly with two kids
A/c haven't been able to keep up
So had to give in

Yeah I am going with the tein coilovers

Puppetmaster

I approve this message.

Honestly, I think they will be fine, but definitely do the test fit if you can. I didn't do the math, but if you guys are saying that the rears will be around 12-13 mm more tucked, I think that's workable. The fronts will be fine, but one thing is to check the INSIDE clearance up front.

Tough to find these wheels in great condition these days, short of buying them new.

Puppetmaster

Wait, you guys are using the wrong specs in the calc.

My rims are 8.5 +30 and his rears are 9.5 +45, so his rears will be a 2 mm difference (inward) from mine, which is essentially the same. But yes, fronts will be 13 mm inward, which IMO, isn't a big deal since mine are slightly too far out. Like I said, check that you have that 13 mm of clearance on the inner side.

xtcnrice

Fronts will clear same as OEM w.r.t. inner clearance.

7.5" + 55 basically has about 150mm of rim behind the hub of the wheel
8.5" + 43 is almost exactly the same

OEM math: (7.5" to mm)/2 + 55mm = 95.25 mm + 55mm = 150.25mm
Front CE28 math: (8.5" to mm)/2 + 43mm = 107.95mm + 43mm = 150.95mm

xtcnrice

Yup you're right. I made a mistake . 2012wagon your rears will be fine, pending tire size of course. However, I had 9.5 +45 square and after a rear fender roll, rears looked pretty sunk. I fit a 15mm spacer in the back, but easily could've done 20, maybe even more.

Puppetmaster

I also think that "sunk" is a highly subjective term.

2012wagon

Appreciate the help as always

However if front is same as OEM (OEM to me is sunk--so we have some objective measure), then I am not sure it will work

Well test fit is 4 days away

xtcnrice

Hey,

When I mentioned "same as OEM", I was referring to the inner clearance (i.e., wheel to suspension components). It won't be as sunk as OEM on the other side.

2012wagon

Gotcha !!

Puppetmaster

For reference:



Your fronts will be 12 mm more inward than mine, which will be fine IMO, since mine actually stick out a tiny bit. Rears will be the same, as mentioned before. Yes, they will be "sunk" as in not flush with the fenders, but I can tell you that I have some negative camber and if my fenders weren't rolled, they would still be eating up my 245/40 tires. Like I said, "sunk" is subjective. I think it's as flush as it's going to be, within practical reason.

I'll see if I can get you better pictures. Big "if". I know a few others have had 9.5" +45 mm before. There was a graphite sedan with S-techs, 19s, full kit that I used as a reference. Can't remember the guy's name, but he liked guns (airsoft) a lot and tried a few different grill custom jobs.

Puppetmaster

Here you go:

https://acurazine.com/forums/photogr.../#post12838208

defconskylude was his name. You can at least see how his rears fit, even if it isn't a wagon.

He has/had 19x9.5 +45.

xtcnrice

^^defconskylude

And beautiful car I'll probably get a set of CEs for my future weekend car

edit: looks like you beat me to it haha