Chris3k2

Where's the best place to get the P2R throttle body spacer and best price? Also is out only option from P2R?

savclaude

^^ i'm selling mine i had it on my car for less then a month with less then 500 miles pm me if ur interested

Chris3k2

Thanks I'll keep that in mind. I just gotta pay some bills and make sure I'm good. Lol

tobwac

why you selling it?

Chris3k2

I'm also interested in why you're selling. And when you had it do you think there was any difference or gains?

I plan on getting one and getting a dyno b4 and after to help the community see how much gains some of these bolt on parts can get if any. It's time to get some facts.

justnspace

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its junk, dont purchase this.

there is no proof that it does or doesnt gain.

optimusaccord

The theory behind the spacer is increasing the volume of the plenum. I think our plenum is plenty large.

But, I could be wrong.

justnspace

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^i agree with you.

i believe the engineers at honda know what they are doing.
the spacer proves to be a waste of money on the 3rd gen TL side

ceb

On most modern engines there isn't much you can do to eke out any substantial gains without an even greater downside.

The only gains here are to the vendor's wallet.

Throwdown

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We stock them heavily and are the company that developed launch these to market for the i4 Accord / TSX.

A throttle body spacer is not a huge mod so I don't tell customers to expect the types of gains like you would from our UR pulley set, etc. But most customers gain a few extra hp, which they see as a increase in throttle response and the spacer looks great under the hood.

Asian Candy

I have one I'm selling also. Had it on my car for 3 weeks. Then I found out they made them in different colors, so I ordered one in red. The one I'm selling is silver. I have a post in the black market section.

I noticed a slight difference in throttle response from it. Nothing crazy, but something none the less.

Chris3k2

Ok. That's good. So you didn't have any negative effects though? No lose in power or anything?

justnspace

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^yeah dont buy it.
you can give me $200 dollars and it will give you the same effect.

swoosh

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yes, thats why we get the 2012 SHAWD manifold on our 3G TL....or thats why we get an aftermarket jpipe or maybe thats why we get a better flowing exhaust on a type S which already has supposed to have a free flowing exhaust....or maybe thats why we port and polish our manifolds and runners

Justn, you need to join V6 performance forum....

and if you switch to a aftermarket intake/TBS setup, you will seeeee so much gain from the setup you have right now....how do i know ? coz i sold you that setup !!!

try it out buddy, i promise you wont be disappointed !!!

Asian Candy

No, nothing negative at all and was super easy to install. It was actually the first mod I have ever done in my life.

justnspace

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Honestly, I am disappointed.
the PnP IM thread, there were claims of "OMG, this PNP is a beast!" "OMG, i can scratch 2nd"


honestly, my butt dyno says nothing changed.
and I always could scratch 2nd, because I'm 6mt.

you possibly cannot feel 5-12hp or however much it gained.
so, in retrospect, PnP IM and the runners isnt worth the money, unless you have the ECU.
which, when I receive, I'm sure the PnP will help!!

but back to the spacer....you cant feel 2-5hp or whatever
and theres no proven data that supports the gains.

swoosh

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in all honesty 1 thing i think you fail to understand is this:

am assuming a ton of numbers here, just try to go with the flow:

stock airbox flows 1000 grams per second
stock TB flows 1000 grams per second
stock manifold flows 1000 grams per second
stock runners flow 1000 grams per second

now you are here:
stock airbox flows 1000 grams per second
bored TB flows 1300 grams per second
pnp manifold flows 1300 grams per second
pnp runners flow 1300 grams per second

no shit you wont see any gains....infact you will feel sluggish as you are not putting more air in and opening up the bores and hence reducing air velocity....

1000 grams per second air flow will be quicker in a smaller diameter hole....you have the hole bored and ported and polished, but you are not ingesting anymore air !!!

now say you upgrade your intake + filter + add more volume by a TBS and bore that bish out:
after market intake flows 1500 grams per second
bored TB flows 1300 grams per second
pnp manifold flows 1300 grams per second
pnp runners flow 1300 grams per second

so now you are increase the air intake capacity and hence even thow you are ported and polished, you are keeping the air velocity high !!!

ever wonder why a CAI makes more power than a short RAM ??? the CAI has a longer tubing and hence higher air velocity !!! hence the CAI will makes more power top end....the shorter tube of the RAM makes air more available and hence better throttle response and low end power....

EDITED for some typos

justnspace

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I think you are assuming a lot of stuff.
my car is not sluggish, there is no change after installing PnP IM and runners and Bored TB.

I even had a buddy drive my car. without telling him what I did to the car, he was like...uhhhh wtf... it feels the same


after I install the ECU, my thoughts will change about the PnP.

swoosh

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^^^ am just assuming the numbers....not the theory

you remember when inaccurate changed his CAI filter to a bigger filter, he gained some ponies (he felt it)....more surface area = more air ingested....

either way, check out V6 performance and you will see CAI + TBS + pnp 2012 SHAWD TB + pnp 2012 SHAWD Manifold + pnp runners gained the guy over 25WHP on the dyno...

if you look at the cost: pnp of TB + Manifold + runners = $350 (provided you already have the manifold and runners and TB)
TBS with gaskets: $75
CAI: custom made with AEM filter $150

so you are at $600 for 25ish HP....
you get the same gains from a PCD which cost $350ish
and from ECU which cost $1500....

you can squeeze more power out of these mods when you get the ECU....just sayin'

justnspace

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yes, Anil; with everything coupled and especially the shawd mani, i can see gains.

but buying the spacer as your only mod...
these TSX guise are better off freeing up the exhaust than getting this spacer.

swoosh

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well i didnt buy everything at once....

to these guys i highly suggest, TBS + intake as 1 mod....i concur with you, just the TBS might not do much at all other than keeping the TB a little bit cooler which they can do for free by doing a coolant bypass !!!

veggiemonster

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proof required, including temperature references.

swoosh

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you guys like spoon feeding eh LOL

read this thread and this guys gains...again he does not have an ECU so his car is not tuned....check out Sonnick's reaction to the gains:

PS: remove the red 'X''s

http://wwwX.v6Xperformance.Xnet/forums/7g-performance-discussion/213433-my-4-intake-project-testing-begins.html

veggiemonster

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those who make claims, have the responsibility to prove them.

swoosh

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^^^ if it was me who gained that much i will post every thing up....people are always gonna find ways to have a problem with "ohh the ambient temp was wrong" or "ohh that dyno reads too much" or "ohh why dont you hit the track to prove it"....

its like a never ending thing....no wonder Tim doesnt hit up the track or dyno....

but as i mentioned in the very first post....join ....you will find that Acurazine is only aesthetically inclined....that forum people are running cammed and stroked TL 's (plural and not TL-S)....actually Andy and Keith (methanol) are pretty open about their mods on that forum v/s acurazine...

PS: i reread the post and am not pointing a finger at you Sean....just generally stating....

veggiemonster

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if you don't want to talk about it, don't bring it up then. if you bring it up, and its absurd like now, someone will want proof.

swoosh

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and the proof is above....so why are we having this discussion ?

Chris3k2

Well that's what I'm trying to help with. If I decide to get this and get a dyno before and after install, hopefully we can put this he say, she say to rest. And by no means am I rich but I do get paid pretty decently and would like to help the community as much as possible. I do however appreciate everybodys concern with spending my hard earned money on a potential BS mod. But nobody has any concrete evidence so I'll be a guinea pig for this. Lol.

savclaude

my bad for the late reply i haven't been on the site for nearly 2 days anyway reason why im selling mine a friend of mine was returning is lease tsx and was selling a couple stuff so i got his black TBS for dirt cheap so im selling mine(silver) which is nearly brand new as far as gains i cant tell cause it was installed the same day as my injen intake so i never had it alone but yes i felt a gain after i installed both(TBS,CAI) BTW im selling mine(silver) which still looks new with all the hardware for 80 bucks shipped i think i bought it for $96 or so here is the pic