ECU was familiar with the new airflow when it was dyno'ed back in DEC. I got my car back then with the stock intake up until yesterday. I have put 17.9 miles on it since. It takes the ECU some time to realize it has more airflow and re-map itself to accommodate for it.

Make more sense?

 

damn dude! that sounds great....i cant wait to get this lol

 

No, I completely understand how ECU's work and how they need to adjust to varying conditions. You just didn't speak (err...type) very clearly to accurately explain your process.

The intake sounds great though. Can't wait to see what the price is on this and maybe pick one up.

 

Sorry, I didn't think everyone was going to analyze everything I wrote. I thought they would just be glad that there is going to be new products out there. That's all.

 

You might hope, but when you're talking about one of the first performance mods available for this car and posting numbers, people are going to get extremely analytical.

 

There's a lot of variables & I wasn't trying to knock you or the product, but it did kinda come out that way. Like Derwood said, it's a new product and comparing what the equivalent piece does on a previous gen car, it sounds a little high. That's not anything new, almost all manufacturers do it. The same intake with different manufacturer's headers make more power at certain places but maybe less than in others, you know?

I had a single turbo LS1 put down 485 on a mobile 248H. The same car on the same day put down 9 hp more on a Mustang. I didn't have time to do the Superflow, but among those who work in the industry & use these daily, they've seen the opposite here. It's all good. There are different models that have eddy current blah blah blah also.

Anyway, it'll be good to see the posted results, I'm looking forward to viewing the video later.

 

i like it. can't wait when this becomes available.

 

i'm looking forward to it becoming available also

 

I like the more agressive sound! Kudos AustinJay (:

 

I think some of you idiots are missing the point.
Who cares what power it makes, we will have a CAI available!!!

Sounds great too!

 

wow, great vid. sounds mean! thanks for sharing

 

ok only one question what is CAI?

 

Cold Air Intake

 

man am i stupid i put one on my self and it sound soo much better than my orginal idea of putting just a cat back on

 

Not only that, but if the claims are correct it will offer more performance too!

 

yes, im very familiar with ecu tuning. even for it to "re-learn" it wont gain anything without having the ecu flashed or having the a/f ratio changed with a tool/program like vafc.
but anyways, the intake does sound good, can't wait for it to come out.

 

Not true. If the ECU sees that it's getting more oxygen (higher volume, colder temperature) it will add more fuel to keep the mixture where it wants it. More air + more gas = more power.

 

That sounds good and aggressive! Can this one be converted into a SRI?

 

Yes. You will be able to have it as a CAI and a SRI.

 

no, it will throw a cel if its running too rich or too lean. you have to get it reflashed or tuned to make more power.

 

HUH? So, when it is cold in the morning and the air is really dense, it throws a CEL? Interesting.

 

Ok, I just talked to my service manager Dan Martin here at the Acura Dealer I work at, and he said that ECU uses a trial knock test when an abundance of air is sent over the MAF sensor. What it does is it will add a small portion of fuel to reach the proper A/F ratio. It keeps adding more and more till it hits the knock sensor then it will retard the fuel. So, that is how it works. I also confirmed it with Myles Bautista over at our aftermarket shop here, DCH motorsports.

 

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

 

i know what im talking about.

 

You obviously don't.

The car will not throw a CEL from simply adding a CAI (unless you forget to plug in the MAF sensor or something). The ECU will eventually adapt to the increase in airflow and change in air temp and compensate by dumping in more fuel to balance the mixture. You could add a number of mods (CAI, headers, exhaust) that all affect airflow and not throw a CEL ever. It's also retarded to say that you wouldn't see any gains from adding all these mods without an ECU reflash or tune. Sure, you'd probably see BETTER gains from these mods if you dyno the car and make precise adjustments to the ECU. But you'll still see an increase in power without doing anything to the ECU and letting it readjust on its own.

This is all common sense to anyone who's ever modded a car themselves.

 

combined i/h/e would give you 20hp tops untuned. you'll see gains without a tune, but not 16hp/20tq from a simple intake bolt on.
my argument wasn't really that you won't see gain, it was really that you wont see the gains the company has claimed, because that is quite absurd from a n/a engine to gain that much without a tune.

 

^^^ You are talking nonsense. I think you have reached your word limit for the day. Please, no more ridiculous posts. K, thanks, bye....

 

I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and s**t a better argument than that!

 

I'll repeat what I said earlier, the claimed gains sound like they came out of the marketing office rather than the engineering. I have no doubt there's some there, but that's a big jump for a simple CAI.

 

It's obvious that you'd most likely benefit from a true ECU tune over letting the ECU reprogram itself. However that's not what you said originally. You said your check engine light would come on from the a/f ratio being off when that's not the case. There is no way the CEL would come on after installing an intake due to the a/f ratio. The ECU would adjust on it's own to keep the mixture stable.

Hell, my old car ran super rich all the time because I was running N2O and my CEL never once came on because of too rich of a mixture.

 

I think we are done stating that he doesn't quite know as much as he thinks. Learning is fun! Ha...

I will get the dyno hopefully today and post it for you guys. True or not, it is going to help and this is just getting the ball rolling for future mods. Oh, and anyone that wants a 3rd party dyno, send me a check and I would be more than happy to get one done. PM me if you care that much.

 

The worse thing that will happen with a CAI is that the computer will "ignore" the additional available air.

Another benefit of this type of mod is typically you get a bit better fuel economy too.

 

The MAF compensates for air temp and flow across the sample tube. If the ECU added fuel to keep the wire in the tube at X degrees, adding fuel would not trip the knock sensor, reducing fuel and/or increasing inital advance on the timing would/could/will cause a lean sitch & resulting knock. You don't retard fuel.

 

Hell, I'd be willing to install this CAI with no HP gains whatsoever just for the sound increase. From the video posted, it sounds awesome.

 

It looks functional, but I'll AHEM! wait for a CTE icebox COUGH! personally. No offense to AFE, it's good to have choices.

 

I had an icebox on my 04 TSX, and while a nice product, it is not worth the money. Just remove the resonator and drop in a K&N filter and you'll have something even better then the icebox for a fraction of the cost. The comptech RSB on the other hand was the tits!

 

sorry to mention this again, but if you claim this gave you 17 whp and 20 torque, shouldnt you be able to spot a difference regardless of what you drove before? I've never gained that much from any kind of mods before so i dont know what an extra 17whp feels like ,but it seems liek alot. I mean, i think i've felt 5hp gains from bolt on exhausts so 17 should be easy to feel.

 

The more I drive it, the more I feel. 16HP is a lot, but not a lot in a 3415 lb car. Like I said before, it just feels like it has a better throttle response. Sorry for your disbelief.

 

im not disbelieving, im just choosing to "suspend judgement" lol a term i learned in philosophy last semester. Im not choosing to disbelieve it but im not choosing to believe it either. Like if someone told you there is a mouse in your drywall. You dont disbelieve it since there could be a mouse in your drywall, but you dont believe it either cause there probably isnt a mouse in your drywall. lol!

 

"Suspend judgement" Strong words. I'm going to use that. ha ha... I understand. Out all the people arguing, you are some of the few that aren't too harsh and you actually make sense.