HI Guys,

I am planning to work on my car in 2014!!!

Should I get the aero kits or stoptech BBK?

https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tsx-performance-parts-modifications-299/excelerate-performance-presents-xlr8-big-brake-kits-stoptech-859670/

is it worth to get BBK for our car??

 

Aero kit gets my vote, more impact for the money

 

BBK's are to help prevent brake fade.

if your current brake setup isnt even reaching high enough temps to see brake fade, the BBK would be just for aesthetics.

 

Thanks guys! I guess aero bumpers will be my choice!!!

 

Justn is right on here, I think 99% of the brakes are done for looks

 

I have the Aero bumper and love the look...

That said, improved brakes not only help reduce brake fade but, also I would expect, improve durability. I am considering a brake upgrade for the simple fact my fronts were replaced at 16k and the rears at 30k. I have 34k on it now. The fronts are starting to feel like they need attention again.

The reality is the TL is only 80 lbs heavier than my V6 TSX and yet stops 10 feet faster because it has larger brakes all around.

We all know one place Acura saved money.

 

Get aero bumpers and do a rl brake swap? get the best of both worlds, all using oem parts also so thats a plus

 

careful.

Swapping brakes from a different car is a sure fire way to fuck up brake bias.

meaning, you'll have longer stopping distances.

 

rotor size between the two is only 1 inch.
the larger the rotor, the easier or faster it is to cool down. think of it as a heat sink.

both cars have 2 pistons up front and 1 piston in the rear.

larger rotors or a big brake kit helps with brake fade only.


in fact, in the 3rd gen TL's....the brembo's with 4 piston calipers take longer to stop than the TL's equipped with the 2 piston calipers.

 

I'd get BBK. The way i drive i definitely need it.

 

^^ yes oem all day, so far I'm loving the RL brake swap,more break power and a firmer brake pedal.

 

wanna do the math?
lol

I can prove it.

plus, you probably didnt do an accurate before and after test.
so, youre basing this off of "feelings"

or butt dyno

 

Not necessarily. Also more consistency after consecutive stops or aggressive driving.

These numbers were published by Acura for 60-0:
5AT - 131ft
6MT - 130ft
6MT w/High Performance Tires - 122ft

I got this from another post btw. Didn't have the time to find it elsewhere.

The brakes aren't necessarily to stop you faster but to give you consistency over time and during a track day for example you would feel the difference. That's the point of these brakes.

Any other mods however will affect it. Currently with my setup I wouldn't do so well. Shitty tires. I guarantee a stock TL would stop quicker than I would. Also given the amount of pressure those brakes put the ABS kicks in negating the benefits and increasing stopping distances.

Can't deny it looks good though

 

I'm not so sure about this statement.

 

lol I really don't need your proof and yes I did compare mine with the stock and breaking was nicely improve like I stated above, if I'm not mistaken I'm the 1st and only one so far that I see with this set up so I should be the only one capable of prooving it

 

show us this data

 

 

Yah Justnspace is wrong about the calipers:

The TSX has 1 piston calipers at all 4 corners, the TL has 2 piston calipers up front 1 piston in the back.

The distances quoted by Vindur are consistant for what I have seen for a 4 cyl car. The Base TL (2010) stops at 122, better than the 4 cyl auto TSX.

Now the problem my TSX is a v6 so it weighs in at 3680 (190 lbs heaver than a 4cyl of the same trim level) The TL (of the same trim) weighs 3735! Just 55 lbs heavier.

The TL gets 12.6 in rotos up front and 13.2 in back (ours are 11.8 and 11.1) ... Big difference...

The TLv6 tech package stops in 122 feet (9-11 feet shorter depending on who did the tests) yet it weighs 245lbs more than the TSX i4 of the same trim.

enough data?

I agree bias is a concern, however folks like stoptech have accounted for that. I am on the fence but would prefer the RL solution like savclaude.

More data...

The brakes for our car in Europe (2.4L) are also bigger. They get 12.6 rotors up front and 11.8 in the rear. I think (but would need someone to confirm) that the EuroAccord 2.4 front calibers are also 2 piston. So the US guys get shafted on this one.

 

So how about them Pistons? Eh?

 

Different car, weight and bias. On the TL especially without HPT BBK's cause the ABS to kick on and the car doesn't stop as fast. Fortunately for me with the manual I can heel toe and get it to decelerate in bad situations very well.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^ thats right tsx is a different car with different bias/

so why are we speaking about TL /



savclaude HAS this setup RL calipers and has said it stop better.

whether that is less feet or less fade or even just better feel....the common word is BETTER/

i will have my RL kit installed on my TSX soon. I will be happy to add FACTS once done/

 

woo.. I did not know the brakes difference in Europe. Fuk Acura....trying to save money.

How much for swapping RL kit ?? My friend just installed the STOPTECH (With BLACK ST-41 Calipers, 328X28mm 1 Piece Drilled Discs) He said it is truly amazing the stopping power. I do not think alot people have done that on our 2G TSX.

Is RL kit way better than Stoptech BBK in terms of OEM....?

Any V6 owners upgrading their rotors/pads/brakeline? Feel any different?
People have the 4cycl has changed the EBC rotors/EBC redstuff pads/stoptech brakeline and turned out is way than stock.

maybe I have to save up for BBK and aero bumpers!!!!!!!

 

the RL kit is WAY CHEAPER.

250 for a set of calipers. 250 for rotors and pads. 100 for rebuild kits for both calipers. and 150 for the brackets. thats $750 vs 1200-1400 for real BBK/

 

Aero kit all the way

 

The video listed above has a 5000 pound SUV with a BBK. The TL and TSX have more similar weight and handling characteristics between them and a suburban.

You can add all the FACTS you want but the FACT is without more rotor surface and calculation to get the brake bias right the brakes will not stop your car quicker. Simple as that. I'm not saying it can't be done but it'll take a lot of tuning and physics are physics. Even if the brakes do their job, you will still need to put that braking for to the ground effectively and your suspension geometry isn't changing. Your tires need to be able to handle the braking too. All and all if you want to see a pronounced change you're gonna have to upgrade the lot. Or you WILL lose performance. That is fact. Take it from someone who has a BBK on his car. If everything else doesn't line up you will ruin its performance.

 

I love my STOPTECH BBK!

BBK Setup:
StopTech® Big Brake Kit RED ST-41 Front Calipers
StopTech® 328X28mm 2 Piece Front Slotted Rotors
StopTech® 309 Street Performance Brake Pads
StopTech® Stainless Steel Braided Brake Lines DOT Approved
StopTech® STR-600 High Performance DOT 4 Street Brake Fluid
StopTech® Sport Rear Brake Kit 977.40007R
EBC Brakes 1793 Yellowstuff Street and Track Pads DP41987R



20k miles of Hard Braking:


Brake Inspection:


Brake Dust after 150 miles:


After Wheel and Brake Detail:

 

^Looks sick! Does it feel good on track?

 

Question: One reason I am considering upgraded brakes is the maintenance. I go through front brakes every 18 months. My thought is a 4 piston caliper with pistons on both side will make the pads wear evenly and thus last longer. Can someon who does brakes for a living comment????

 

Well the aero kit is all show and the BBK is "show and go" or perhaps less go. I've always thought it was important to upgrade your brakes, especially if you've modified your vehicle or an aggressive driver/braker. My vote goes to the STOPTECH BBK. Also keep in mind you can do our XLR8 BBK by STOPTECH, which uses a 1 piece disc in order to cut the costs and perhaps afford both.