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IIHS Results G37 VS TSX

Exactly the same Front and Side ratings

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=335
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=460

G37 did not stack up in the rear crash test, but otherwise identical.

Breako

One of the two cars is an IIHS top safety pick. Which one is it? I'll help you out and give you a hint. It's not the G37. Try again.

MMC Racing

People really buy cars based on it being marginally safer than another?

mg7726

why not? people flock to volvo based on safety. others, they purchase one model over another based on looks.

frankly, as a TSX owner i'm skipping the entire acura line up b/c i think the entire line just got fubar'd. i think the G37 will be a better buy then the v6 TSX from a pricing standpoint.

Breako

It's not a marginal difference, silly man.

MMC Racing

Oh yes, the G37 is a rolling death box..

Breako

Compared to the TSX, it is.

Farage

iv been a honda/acura guy since i got my license and i intend to keep it that way. however, nissan/infiniti have stepped up their game substantially over the last 3 years, and they currently have the edge over acura performance wise. im still stickin with acura though. they have alot up their sleeves for the next few years.

cyberbro

http://jalopnik.com/5307326/engine-o...day-honda-f20c

This is what should have been in the 2009 TSX and forget the expensive v6!

That would have been the shi*.

dom

I can understand how someone might choose the V6 TSX over a G37. There are a myriad of reason's and personal choices that factor in. There is no right or wrong answer.

But to try and agrue that the G37 isn't as much of or a better value? Please, put down the Honda bong.

Breako

Please put down the Timbits.

dom

I take it you had nothing left to offer the debate. Not that you had much to offer to begin with.

jjsC5

There are trade-offs everywhere. The G37 is rwd. That is a very big advantage to many buyers for a sports sedan.

I agree with the OP. The TL is too ugly, the TSX V6 is too expensive. I've owned many Hondas & Acuras. When I read the TSX would be available with the V6, I thought my prayers were answered for my next car (7 months away from now). But not at the pricing they have stuck on it.

Breako

Way to provide a good example of adding something nontrivial to the debate, Dom.

dom

Just following your lead.

Are your Honda blinders really on that tight that you can't realize that the G37 is just as good if not a better value than the V6 TSX?

No one is telling you to buy one or telling you its the better car. But clearly IMO, its a far better value. although I personally place more importance on a car's power train than I do anything else. Crazy I know.

Breako

Well that depends on having an agreed-upon definition of value and the dimensions comprising that definition. We're clearly not there yet.

LuvMyTSX

Everyone has an opinion. No sense arguing. Discussing is one thing, but the way the thread was started (and continued) just breeds arguments instead of discussions.

dom

Well that's one way to spin it.

But since we're talking cars and not potable music players, why not start with engine, transmission and drive train. As far as sports sedans go, pretty sure power, being RWD and having the option of shifting your own gears is a good start.

JD23

From what I've read, the G37 has a pretty poor MT. In enthusiast publications that normally favor MT over AT, it has been noted that the 7AT is better suited for the G37 than the MT.

5o9

TL is too wide for my garage

dom

But the option is there isn't it. I'd rather have a poor shifting MT than no MT at all.

Breako

Dom: You're not getting my point.

JD23

It's pretty subjective. I'd rather have a very good AT than a poor MT. I think the fact that some enthusiast magazines prefer the AT says quite a lot. It's nice that the option is there, but it would mean much more if the MT was executed better.

dom

No, I think I am. Which is why I said earlier that there is no right or wrong answer in choosing either car. Of course the value equation will be different for everybody but when you get down to the core of the vehicle. (engine, transmission, platform) The G37 is IMO a better value considering you can buy it for about 1K more than a V6 TSX.

dom

No argument here. But an option regardless. And I'd venture a guess that Infiniti doesn't sell very many MT's and may lose money on each one. Yet they still choose to make one available.

Something Honda won't do with the V6 TSX.

Blazing GT

I will put my .02 in here....

I think the car will have slow sales. my reasoning:

TL vs RL story

almost the same size cabin
almost the same straight line speed

RL costs aboutt $15k more......
people look to buy the TL because the two are very similar


If the TL and TSX go for teh same price...
TL WILL outsell it.

Colin

Maybe this is why Honda was never put in a position where it needed to be 'saved' by Renault?

dom

Give it a couple of years.

I think you know very well that Nissan needed to be saved by Renault because of their piss poor product of old. Under entirely different leadership. Lets not compare recent Nissan/Infiniti (especially Infiniti) offerings to those of the past.

cbusAcuracls

I agree with DOM here. Its should be an option. True luxury sports sedans should have the option at least. Yes this might be a smart option for Acura to save some money. But also not having a V6 at all would have saved alot more money. Acura don't do a half a$$ job. If you want to have a pure luxury sports sedan a MT should be an option.

They complain about wanting to be a tier 1 car company but half a$$ their products. ADVANCE!!! for goodness sake (5AT???? wtf)

just my two cents.

HeavyDuty

No offense to anyone who currently owns one, but I feel exactly the opposite. The mid 90's Nissan stuff was boring, but IMHO, over-engineered. The newer stuff, like..maybe 05> is a lot better, but the first Renaissan offerings had a plethora of design/build issues. NVH problems in the Alti/Maxi, a myriad of issues with the Quest, horrible trans, final drives and brake issues with the Titan/Armada, etc etc. Wayyy worse than the stuff you're hearing here about these 09 TSX's.

I'd take an 03 Pathfinder any day, an 04> not on a bet.

JD23

Based on the spec sheets, I'd agree that the G37 seems like a better value. In fact, I would be considering the G37 for my next car if Infiniti bothered opening a dealership within 100 miles of my city. Infiniti really needs to work on expanding their dealer network. Since I doubt that any new dealers will be opening anytime soon, I'll be stuck with Acura and the Germans.

Colin

I’ll take a stab at this from memory. If someone wants to check dates and numbers you’re welcome to correct me. My dad was selling Toyotas from back in the 70’s. Back then, it was Datsun and Toyota. He used to show people how cheap the Datsun seats were and how if you put a load of plywood in the bed of the truck the front wheels would come off the ground. Datsun trailed Toyota all through the 70’s despite their rip off of the 2000 GT (which itself was a copy of the Jag E type).

By the 80’s Honda had arrived and was soon catching Nissan for #2. Despite not having a sportscar to compete with the Z Honda was gaining ground and gaining a reputation for fun to drive cars. Faced the perceived lack of quality, Nissan started something called Project 901. The goal was to be #1 by the 90’s. The 300ZX and Maxima were products of this philosophy and arguably the most successful Yet despite these and the launch of the Infiniti brand they were bankrupt by the end of the decade.

So from 2000 on they have been making all the right moves if you read the Acura forums. However, my gut feeling is that something is still missing. Infiniti is a one car line, with the G carrying most of the burden. (half of the total sales?) Sorry, I just don’t see why everyone wants Acura to become Infiniti if this is the measure of success. AND if the Infiniti is so great, why not go buy one and let Acura be …. Acura?

40kalz

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yea

dom

I agree that their lineup has a ton of holes. But remember that they just recently reinvented themselves. And I wonder if sales or lack there of, are (see LD23's post) more about a lack of dealers than it is about the products.

As for your other comments, it an automotive forum with the purpose of discussing these types of things. The board isn't and shouldn't be a Honda lovefest.

Is Acura even going to let itself be Acura? it seems they are going to RWD platforms at some point in the future. If those earlier spy pics of the Frankenstein TSX mean anything. I guess even they know it will be needed moving forward.

dom

That's all I'm arguing here. Not suggesting anyone forget the V6 TSX and go buy a G37 instead. But I am suggesting they at least test drive one if they are thinking of spending 37 - 40K.

We've been so hung up on 'value' all these years yet when a better value comes from another brand we get our panties in a bunch.

Colin

Far from it. Just saying that people keep slagging on Acura for FWD and the price while forgetting that the ES350 is a huge seller. IMO, there is room for another, sportier FWD option without going all the way to a RWD car like G or 3.

OK that kinda pisses me off. They are 10 years or two product cycles into this "reinvention." Acura just announced a reinvention of their own, and people here (not necessarily you) keep criticizing them for their efforts despite the fact they haven't delivered ONE Tier 1 product yet. This is just a call to everyone to please stop the hypocrisy.

dom

Big difference. They have holes, but the product they DO HAVE is what its supposed to be. What they don't have is a flagship and an SUV that appeals to the masses like a MDX or RX. The FX is a niche vehicle. The first of IMO pointless SUV's like the X6 and now ZDX (all these damn X's)

They went after the competition with RWD, big power and luxury appointments. The G and M compare very favorably with the German equivalents. They went away from re-badging the Maxima and Sentra and 'did it right' so to speak.

The TL like the ES are great sellers for reason. I think Acura should leave it in place if and when they do come out with a RWD platform.

TeKNiC3

Where does the extra 1% go?

gatrhumpy

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DING DING DING!

For roughly the same price, I would buy the TSX over the TL ANY day of the week. It has better gas mileage too!

CL6

I wouldn't call 7,042 sales in June as a "flock."

And I think the TSX is much better looking than the TL, too. I would buy it over a TL any day.