deepen03

Don't know how accurate this might be.. it's from cnet. so take it with a grain of salt I guess.. but I hope it's not true.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...CmoreStories.0

"RSX: An entry-luxury sedan will come in the spring of 2013, to compete with the Lexus CT 200h and BMW front-drive cars. The RSX is based on the Honda Civic platform and will be powered by a 210-hp version of the Civic Si's four-cylinder engine. After the failure of the Canadian-market CSX, Acura knows it can't just deliver a warmed-over Civic. This model will be larger and have more differentiated sheet metal.

RSX coupe: Plans call for a midcycle addition that arrives in the spring of 2015. Dealers have asked for a convertible hardtop.

TSX: There is talk within Acura that the TSX will go away after its cycle ends in 2013. Four low-volume sedans that are close in size may not be a healthy business plan."

I don't get why they would bring the RSX back. you could just make a TSX coupe to go along with the Wagon and Sedan. this better not be true.

ressling

Fail

YZ450

Actually this is not too bad!!!! Back in 05 I had a RSX-S, when it got discontinued I thought it was a bad thing but it turned out that resale value hold really well and the car aged even better as there was no new model replacing it. So, basically if you've a 2nd gen you always going to have the latest model for as long as you keep the car!!!!

Man, I miss that car!!!

Aruca Xst

The Acura TSX is Acura's 3rd best selling model, 1300 behind the TL(best selling sedan and 2nd overall behind the MDX)...

From a business perspective, this would be a horrible move..The fact that the TSX is 95 percent equivalent to the Euro Accord means the R and D expense is covered already...Why dead this model when your literally just rebadging...The grille is still somewhat controversial but the car is widely accepted as a competent entry-level luxury "techy" car..

This new RSX, rebadged civic, on the other hand is going to be another risk Acura is going to make..The keen edge design of the current generation Acura's is considered a risk that did not reward well (or at least not at the level they expected)..so why take another risk in replacing a DECENT SELLING SEDAN for this RSX...

As AMERICA IS GETTING FATTER BY THE SECOND, LEAVE IT UP TO ACURA TO START MAKING SMALLER CARS...FUCKING EPIC FAILURE SET TO HAPPEN IF THIS "SUPPOSED BUSINESS PLAN" IS PUT FORTH.

ed_423

sigh...i guess the tsx is my last acura.

Universe93B

what??? wasn't expecting this one, maybe it's just a rumor for now.

TSXKid2010

Alrite I put a lot a lot of thought into this and here are my two conclusions:

1. I believe Honda may be trying to do something we already see in it's line-up...the Civic based RSX successor and the Accord based TSX successor. Just like the Accord and the Civic in the original Honda line-up, where you would buy a Civic if you wanted something sportier and you bought an Accord for something more luxurious car. So what I'm saying is Acura is creating an Accord-Civic type relationship within Acura. They have the similarities of two, FWD, entry level cars. Since Honda sells a lot of both cars, they might believe Acura can do the same. Hey, even the platforms suggest it.Civic and Accord based.

2. They might take the TSX name and make it apply strictly to ONLY the sportwagon. Because what would happen with the SportWagon if the TSX is gone? So I think that if the TSX sedan doesn't live on, the Sportwagon might carry that torch...

spyked

Let's hope this isn't true. I don't really care if the TSX goes away. But another Civic based car? They stopped the Integra and RSX for a reason! And I've yet to see a single good review of this newest Civic. The current TSX is better than any Civic based thing they could come up with.

ressling

^ Someone took delivery of a new 2012 Civic Si sedan over my '09 TSX 6MT; while I agree with you, it definitely is competition

After all, the Civic Si has the TSX engine in it...

spyked

Well, one can only assume said person was COMPLETELY BLIND! I mean, did they see what the Civic looks like? If they got past the outside, did they see the inside? Sheesh! Our TSXs look like Bentleys by comparison

cor6bro

At this stage it’s more of “whatever”. As of late, Acura has made so many meandering missteps within the North American market, it isn’t funny. It wouldn’t be much surprise if they did can the TSX name in favor of an RSX/Civic-based warm-over.

Will that mean that this next-generation RSX will loose the front wishbone setup in lieu of a McPherson setup? Will this (new) RSX be a real contender within the $30k near-luxury realm?

If it’s based off of the 9-gen Civic chassis; then it’s plausible that the new car will experience a certain level of weight gain in order to accommodate Acura-specific “luxury” accoutrements. Will a 210hp [est.] naturally aspirated, 4-cyinder motor be enough to give it a worthwhile performance boost over the 9-gen Civic Si? Or will it be a wash.

In addition, what does a potential move like this do for current TSX 1st and 2nd-gen owners? Will it serve to “force” us to move up-market to the TL? Is Honda (again) deciding what’s best for the market (us)? Go figure.

09TSXTech

Certainly hope that's not the case.

If they return the RSX, maybe they can install a turbo 4cyl in a Base TL.

mikiTL

Getting rid of the TSX might be the smartest move for Honda yet. This may finally make the Accord homologous to the entire world. The USDM Honda Accord is too big and chunky. The EURO/JDM Accord is plenty big and represents the best of Honda sedan design out of Japan. The Inspire is understated and regal, but in a day and age where being fuel efficient is key, making cars look light, nimble and sporty means alot more than ever. The key to Audi and Hyundai's current success is in their small sedans styling.

The next EURO/JDM Accord will be a revolutionary design. Honda has gotten the picture. To get a feel for the Honda design direction of the upcoming Accord, take a look at the 2009 Honda Skydeck design language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGYt0hiiS5U

This youtube video has a brief description of the design language. If this is the design language of the concept in 2009, we should expect this to hit the showrooms around 2013-14. In the video the Honda employee describes that they wanted to bring the Insight's "feel and utility to the masses". The design language is a direct transfer from FCX Clarity to Insight and eventually to the new "Accord", the Honda vehicle for the masses.

mmafighta

TSX was the only thing going for Acura. I'm quite impressed with even the second gen TSX, handles like its on rails unlike the tl (not shawd, the base) and very agile for a heavy car.

TSX = <3. :[

deepen03

I know man.. this would be really sad for us TSX owners. i just want to cry.

deepen03

link died for some reason.. updated link here:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...vamped-lineup/

its rayden

what's the big deal if the rsx sedan can fit the same role?

spyked

I think the concern is that the RSX might be based on the current Civic. Not good news. The RSX, to me, was never meant to replace a TSX, or vice versa. It might be the new low-end model if the TSX is gone, but that's really an Acura Civic vs. an Acura Accord. Big difference

Nedmundo

Edmunds has been reporting for some time that Acura was planning a small car to slot in below the TSX, saying the TSX's size increase allows for this:

http://www.insideline.com/acura/future-vehicles.html

I doubt Acura will abandon the TSX, because it's reasonable competition for Audi's A4 2.0T, the Lexus IS250, and the upcoming turbo four variants of the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes C Class. A luxurious Civic variant cannot compete in that class, nor can the large, V6 powered TL. A DI turbo TSX, however, would be ideal. Heck, even DI added to the current engine would be nice.

With BMW offering its 5 Series with turbo four power, and Audi doing the same with the A6, the luxurious four cylinder has come of age, and Acura should continue with the configuration. (Saab did this for decades without much success, and now that this approach is catching on, Saab appears headed for oblivion. It's a shame, because the new 9-5 Turbo 4 Premium is amazing.)

its rayden

i guess we'll see how it pans out. if the RSX sedan, though based on the civic, is going to be slightly larger than it, it'll be a decent replacement. also don't forget, the IS, 3-series, C-class, et al. are all slightly smaller than the TSX.

SubtleWordplay

Lame.

Another rumor is that the next gen-TL would shrink...

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...to-follow.html

FYI, here is the current Acura CSX...

pinatubo

I personally think it's ok.
In fact, it should be called Accord (as other market Australia, Japan, and EU) rather TSX in the U.S.

pickler

i have driven the CSX. in canada streets are full of it. its basically asian civic 2.0s. 155hp but it feels more like 160-165. it has paddleshifters and navigation, leather etc. unlike the civic where it runs out of steam at 6000rpm, the csx likes to rev. it is a k20 after all. im not sure why they would kill the csx?! They will definitely NOT discontinue the TSX, that i am sure. plus there is no 210hp civic. The RSX entry by spring is questionable after the tsunami.

here is a csx type-s in canada

09TSXTech

Close, the 2012 Civic Si has the same K24Z3 engine as the TSX, which is rated at 201 hp and 170 lb/ft torque.

kixo

Actually, when you add the sedan and sportswagon together, the TSX outsells the TL, making it Acura's second-highest selling model after the MDX.

I think they should make a TSX coupe. Would not get excited about a Civic-based sedan...it would move the Acura brand in the wrong direction...but it would give them a hybrid option that it is lacking, helping to bring up its CAFE numbers.

Nedmundo

That might actually make sense. The RL and TL aren't very far apart, so, assuming Acura plans to keep the RL, a slightly smaller TL and an RSX could be a good combination. If the RSX is sized somewhere between the current Civic and the TSX, it could be a good lineup.

The TSX slot could also be filled with a sport version of the Accord sedan, but I doubt we'll see that any time soon. I'd prefer see Honda move the TSX to rear drive, to take the 3 Series head-on, but that's even less likely than a performance Accord sedan in the U.S.

TaxiDriver

This is ridiculous! That civic-based sedan is not going to sell well, another bad move by Honda.

If this really happens, guess I'll be moving to the Infiniti G or Lexus IS.

hornyleprechaun

Will be interesting to see what they do with the wagons. From my understanding they are selling faster than they are being produced.

Litt

The RDX is on the civic platform too. It is way diff than a CSx. They can engineer a lot of differences on a platform.

Hopefully the next tl will be smaller and have a v6 and shawd. The same size as the tsx.

pickler

i really want to see the k23 couple with a 6MT and sh-awd