Heresy - Help me decide AGAINST a new TSX
#81
Did the A4 you drove have the sport package? I might be considering the A4 along with a few other cars in the future, but "Camry like" steering doesn't sound appealing.
#82
Senior Moderator
Only 3? We were in and out of every car. I personally drove 6 cars and rode with a friend who drove 5. I noticed people were being selective with what they were choosing and had to stand and wait. We jumped into whatever was available.
#83
So in summary and in conclusion, your engine makes a ping and your sunroof is a few millimeters off. Is that correct? My TSX might have these problems right now and I'm not even noticing. Can you please describe the problems you are having with the car in more detail, setting aside the quality of customer care? Does the moon roof actually leak? Is the pinging embarrassingly loud or barely a whisper? You say various things are broken. What else?
And an aside, why do you have the car in 5th at 35 mph?
And an aside, why do you have the car in 5th at 35 mph?
Yes the sunroof is off, to the point that it was leaking. Its not leaking now, still just sits low in the roof but its adjusted to the max...but that wasn't the "defect". I walked out to my car one day and the front seal had a 1/2 inch raised hump in it about 4 inches long. VERY obvious. The front seal also folded up against the metal when it was tilted (which I was told by the manufacturer that its not supposed to). They said its a bonding defect. The rear leaked because the panel was too far forward and wasn't sealing well in the back. I never open my moonroof but every time I cleaned my car, the inside gutters looked like I left the panel open in the rain.
5 speakers have been replaced...they went out one by one. All four doors and one rear shelf. I believe they're the same part #.
#84
dom, I guess I lucked out with my group of non-picky people.
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#85
Pro
Maybe they are good, but not IMO ....compared to the 6MT in the TSX. IMO it was night and day. Then again that was the only MT Bimmer I've ever driven. I've been told that the MT in the 328 is different from the one in the 335. But at this point if I were to buy a BMW it would not be with an MT.
check this technique out: http://www.shortshifter.com/techniques2.htm
Works well for Bimmers.
And if you want to buy a bimmer for performance, you'd better buy a manual. BMW's slushbox is often criticized by BMW enthusiasts. Just borrow a few issues of Roundel and read Techtalk. Also, the manuals are much more reliable. The slushboxes are mysteries that are hard to maintain.
BMWs are certainly more expensive to buy and maintain. I think everyone knows this. Whether you buy one or not depends on your priority. Just like a Corolla serves a purpose, the bimmers serve some too.
#86
Pro
Go try one yourself and do some highway cruise.
A4 design is terrific. If you had to have AWD, I think it's worth taking a look.
It seems TSX V6 tech price will be similar to TL SHAWD (without Tech). I think that's a bit too much.
#87
Bimmer MTs are different from Acura/Honda's. Every manufacturer's MTs will be somewhat different. It just takes time to get used to. And it takes good techniques.
check this technique out: http://www.shortshifter.com/techniques2.htm
Works well for Bimmers.
And if you want to buy a bimmer for performance, you'd better buy a manual. BMW's slushbox is often criticized by BMW enthusiasts. Just borrow a few issues of Roundel and read Techtalk. Also, the manuals are much more reliable. The slushboxes are mysteries that are hard to maintain.
BMWs are certainly more expensive to buy and maintain. I think everyone knows this. Whether you buy one or not depends on your priority. Just like a Corolla serves a purpose, the bimmers serve some too.
check this technique out: http://www.shortshifter.com/techniques2.htm
Works well for Bimmers.
And if you want to buy a bimmer for performance, you'd better buy a manual. BMW's slushbox is often criticized by BMW enthusiasts. Just borrow a few issues of Roundel and read Techtalk. Also, the manuals are much more reliable. The slushboxes are mysteries that are hard to maintain.
BMWs are certainly more expensive to buy and maintain. I think everyone knows this. Whether you buy one or not depends on your priority. Just like a Corolla serves a purpose, the bimmers serve some too.
#89
You're correct. The best way to evaluate reliability is to look at reliability for cars produced during the 2002-2004 period and extrapolate that to the present. Obviously, this method is imperfect because some companies may have changed their manufacturing methods and quality control during the past few years, but it is better than evaluating the reliability of cars that have been on the road for a short period.
#90
The current BMW 3 series were introduced in 2005. There's been plenty of time to reach the reasonable conclusion that they're shit.
Last edited by Breako; 06-23-2009 at 08:52 PM. Reason: t
#92
#93
The problems reported have been infrequent, relatively minor and many of those issues have apparently fixed prior to the end of '09 model year's production cycle. I don't think anyone should avoid a new TSX on account of initial quality concerns.
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