has TSX production for the US already ended?
06-05-2013, 02:55 PM
#1
has TSX production for the US already ended?
I think my shitty little dealer (Gillman in N.Houston) has zero on the lot....I know a "TLX" or something like that is coming but....
I saw this article...
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013...NEWS/130609953
The future of Acura's TSX appears uncertain as Honda Motor prepares to abandon the platform used for the compact sedan.
Acura boss Jeff Conrad says the TSX will remain in the lineup "for the foreseeable future." But when Acura moved into the entry-luxury segment with the ILX last year it jammed up its sedan lineup -- both in terms of vehicle sizes and pricing ladders.
The ILX and aging TSX are positioned close to each other, as are the TSX and mid-sized TL. The RLX has grown slightly to distance itself from comparisons to the TL, but not by much.
Product plans elsewhere within Honda Motor may force Acura's hand.
The TSX is based on the aged smaller Honda Accord platform used in Japan and Europe. The U.S. Accord traditionally has been larger and has been the basis for the Acura TL.
But the Accord that debuted in the United States last year is on a new global platform that is sized for the U.S. Accord, rather than the Japanese and European market versions.
The British magazine Autocar reported that slow Accord sales in Europe won't justify a new model or allow Honda to keep the old platform. That makes the TSX a car without a donor platform.
Also, the TL is being redesigned for a summer 2014 launch, and a Honda Motor source said that it will be made smaller to make room for the flagship RLX, which is priced $12,500 higher. But that would put the TL right on top of the TSX in terms of size.
The TL is Acura's best-selling car, while the ILX has struggled to outpace the old TSX. Sales of each nameplate are between 24,000 and 32,000 units a year.
Acura has told dealers nothing about a shakeup in the lineup. They expect a 2014 TSX to arrive on schedule in September.
I saw this article...
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013...NEWS/130609953
The future of Acura's TSX appears uncertain as Honda Motor prepares to abandon the platform used for the compact sedan.
Acura boss Jeff Conrad says the TSX will remain in the lineup "for the foreseeable future." But when Acura moved into the entry-luxury segment with the ILX last year it jammed up its sedan lineup -- both in terms of vehicle sizes and pricing ladders.
The ILX and aging TSX are positioned close to each other, as are the TSX and mid-sized TL. The RLX has grown slightly to distance itself from comparisons to the TL, but not by much.
Product plans elsewhere within Honda Motor may force Acura's hand.
The TSX is based on the aged smaller Honda Accord platform used in Japan and Europe. The U.S. Accord traditionally has been larger and has been the basis for the Acura TL.
But the Accord that debuted in the United States last year is on a new global platform that is sized for the U.S. Accord, rather than the Japanese and European market versions.
The British magazine Autocar reported that slow Accord sales in Europe won't justify a new model or allow Honda to keep the old platform. That makes the TSX a car without a donor platform.
Also, the TL is being redesigned for a summer 2014 launch, and a Honda Motor source said that it will be made smaller to make room for the flagship RLX, which is priced $12,500 higher. But that would put the TL right on top of the TSX in terms of size.
The TL is Acura's best-selling car, while the ILX has struggled to outpace the old TSX. Sales of each nameplate are between 24,000 and 32,000 units a year.
Acura has told dealers nothing about a shakeup in the lineup. They expect a 2014 TSX to arrive on schedule in September.
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06-05-2013, 06:09 PM
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06-05-2013, 07:51 PM
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06-05-2013, 09:15 PM
#10
Racer
Around here I see very few ILXs, almost none. I see more new TSXs than ILXs for sure. Lots of new Accords though.
Very high Asian population here, Asians like good value but don't seem to be going for the ILXs. Kia and Hyundai is probably stealing most sales.
Stan
Very high Asian population here, Asians like good value but don't seem to be going for the ILXs. Kia and Hyundai is probably stealing most sales.
Stan
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06-05-2013, 09:21 PM
#11
That aside, don't buy the smoke screen. Do just a little reading between the lines and it should be clear to see that the TSX and TL are history. Good luck to Honda trying to capture new buyers (and holding onto old ones) while trying to peddle the ILX and the TLX as replacements for the TSX and the TL. Honda's marketing plan has stumped me for years, with poor replacements and moving completely out of some markets (for example, who doesn't think that dropping the RSX was a big mistake?). I've driven Honda's on and off for over 30 years and I just don't get this company anymore.
06-05-2013, 10:09 PM
#12
^^^ I agree remember when all the high scool kids wanted RSX's and civic SI's ? not any more it's subaru's and evo's they need to remember that these kids grow up and buy pilots odyssey's civic's accord's brand loyalty is huge I think they are loosing a lot of future customers.
06-05-2013, 10:19 PM
#13
Goodbye.
*Souce: My friend's friend's sister's great grand step uncle's girlfriend's niece's daughter's grandfather's aunt's sister-in-law's son.
p.s. You don't need a coupe to have fun: http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoram...194047271.html
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06-06-2013, 08:12 AM
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As has been the case certainly with the TSX, I'm confident that ILX sales are very regional also. If there is an abundance of dealers around, chances are better that you'll see more of them. I've been, and remain, highly of the car for a variety of reasons, and anyone with any marketing and product objectivity should be asking the larger question..... what the hell was Honda thinking? The ILX is a shadow of even the 2nd gen TSX, and on a whole different planet from where the 1st gen car came from.
That aside, don't buy the smoke screen. Do just a little reading between the lines and it should be clear to see that the TSX and TL are history. Good luck to Honda trying to capture new buyers (and holding onto old ones) while trying to peddle the ILX and the TLX as replacements for the TSX and the TL. Honda's marketing plan has stumped me for years, with poor replacements and moving completely out of some markets (for example, who doesn't think that dropping the RSX was a big mistake?). I've driven Honda's on and off for over 30 years and I just don't get this company anymore.
That aside, don't buy the smoke screen. Do just a little reading between the lines and it should be clear to see that the TSX and TL are history. Good luck to Honda trying to capture new buyers (and holding onto old ones) while trying to peddle the ILX and the TLX as replacements for the TSX and the TL. Honda's marketing plan has stumped me for years, with poor replacements and moving completely out of some markets (for example, who doesn't think that dropping the RSX was a big mistake?). I've driven Honda's on and off for over 30 years and I just don't get this company anymore.
06-06-2013, 10:07 AM
#15
David_Dude
Samsung seems to be where it's at now.Honda has me confused as well...
But I do love most of the lineup right now. I've seen a couple or so ILX's on the road, but not as many as I've seen TSX's or MDX's.
06-06-2013, 10:28 AM
#16
Everyday I'm rofling
I heard they are switching their entire lineup to RWD.
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06-06-2013, 10:32 AM
#17
I think my shitty little dealer (Gillman in N.Houston) has zero on the lot....I know a "TLX" or something like that is coming but....
I saw this article...
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013...NEWS/130609953
The future of Acura's TSX appears uncertain as Honda Motor prepares to abandon the platform used for the compact sedan.
Acura boss Jeff Conrad says the TSX will remain in the lineup "for the foreseeable future." But when Acura moved into the entry-luxury segment with the ILX last year it jammed up its sedan lineup -- both in terms of vehicle sizes and pricing ladders.
The ILX and aging TSX are positioned close to each other, as are the TSX and mid-sized TL. The RLX has grown slightly to distance itself from comparisons to the TL, but not by much.
Product plans elsewhere within Honda Motor may force Acura's hand.
The TSX is based on the aged smaller Honda Accord platform used in Japan and Europe. The U.S. Accord traditionally has been larger and has been the basis for the Acura TL.
But the Accord that debuted in the United States last year is on a new global platform that is sized for the U.S. Accord, rather than the Japanese and European market versions.
The British magazine Autocar reported that slow Accord sales in Europe won't justify a new model or allow Honda to keep the old platform. That makes the TSX a car without a donor platform.
Also, the TL is being redesigned for a summer 2014 launch, and a Honda Motor source said that it will be made smaller to make room for the flagship RLX, which is priced $12,500 higher. But that would put the TL right on top of the TSX in terms of size.
The TL is Acura's best-selling car, while the ILX has struggled to outpace the old TSX. Sales of each nameplate are between 24,000 and 32,000 units a year.
Acura has told dealers nothing about a shakeup in the lineup. They expect a 2014 TSX to arrive on schedule in September.
I saw this article...
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013...NEWS/130609953
The future of Acura's TSX appears uncertain as Honda Motor prepares to abandon the platform used for the compact sedan.
Acura boss Jeff Conrad says the TSX will remain in the lineup "for the foreseeable future." But when Acura moved into the entry-luxury segment with the ILX last year it jammed up its sedan lineup -- both in terms of vehicle sizes and pricing ladders.
The ILX and aging TSX are positioned close to each other, as are the TSX and mid-sized TL. The RLX has grown slightly to distance itself from comparisons to the TL, but not by much.
Product plans elsewhere within Honda Motor may force Acura's hand.
The TSX is based on the aged smaller Honda Accord platform used in Japan and Europe. The U.S. Accord traditionally has been larger and has been the basis for the Acura TL.
But the Accord that debuted in the United States last year is on a new global platform that is sized for the U.S. Accord, rather than the Japanese and European market versions.
The British magazine Autocar reported that slow Accord sales in Europe won't justify a new model or allow Honda to keep the old platform. That makes the TSX a car without a donor platform.
Also, the TL is being redesigned for a summer 2014 launch, and a Honda Motor source said that it will be made smaller to make room for the flagship RLX, which is priced $12,500 higher. But that would put the TL right on top of the TSX in terms of size.
The TL is Acura's best-selling car, while the ILX has struggled to outpace the old TSX. Sales of each nameplate are between 24,000 and 32,000 units a year.
Acura has told dealers nothing about a shakeup in the lineup. They expect a 2014 TSX to arrive on schedule in September.
i can tell you this, me being a ex rep for American Honda Motors is that dealership is lacking the cars on the TSX side because of the GM running it. Not because of ACURA.
06-06-2013, 01:42 PM
#18
Acura does seem the head scratcher of late. I love the look of the new RDX but see very few on the road.
But Honda does have a few category killers still, the CR-V, the Fit, and the new ACCORD which i just read was the 2nd best selling car in CA in the 1st quarter (to Prius).
I dont need the flashiest car or most expensive car. The TSX wagon still feels like a good car for the money...especially some of the deals folks have gotten recently.
But Honda does have a few category killers still, the CR-V, the Fit, and the new ACCORD which i just read was the 2nd best selling car in CA in the 1st quarter (to Prius).
I dont need the flashiest car or most expensive car. The TSX wagon still feels like a good car for the money...especially some of the deals folks have gotten recently.
06-06-2013, 02:40 PM
#19
I heard this from a friend of a friend who had a friend who knew somebody who knew the guy that delivered the FedEx packages to Honda - so a very reliable source.
All Honda/Acura products - including lawnmowers - will be nuclear powered hovercraft. This will definitively end the "what is better - RWD, AWD or FWD discussion" and will get very good gas mileage.
All Honda/Acura products - including lawnmowers - will be nuclear powered hovercraft. This will definitively end the "what is better - RWD, AWD or FWD discussion" and will get very good gas mileage.
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06-06-2013, 05:48 PM
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I'm thinking that the NSX is a marketing ploy. Why throw advertising dollars at something that could be a year away. You don't see Apple or Samsung advertising their IP7 or Galaxy 6. The ATS-V. It's on the books and RWD.
06-07-2013, 12:42 PM
#21
Itz JDM y0!
I think 2015 will be the last model year for the TL/TSX and they'll both be replaced by the TLX. As much as I would like to see the entire like up go RWD I think that'll result in a sever price increase, so I don't see it happening in the foreseeable future. Also John Eagle's lot has a TON of TSX's.
06-07-2013, 01:37 PM
#23
Azine Jabroni
06-07-2013, 02:48 PM
#25
Acuras are built on Honda chassis (chassii?). That would mean that Honda would have to go RWD as well. RWD is significantly more expensive than FWD so that won't happen.
Most luxury cars are RWD or AWD. The RLX just came out as a FWD - the only car in the lineup where they could/should have justified RWD but they didn't.
Both the TSX and the TL will go away at some point and be replaced by a single model but since we haven't heard anything definitive yet, then it really can't happen in 2014 - the Acura boys and girls aren't that secretive.
The TL has way more incentives than the TSX. That would tell me that the TL is harder to sell.
06-07-2013, 03:35 PM
#26
too bad the ILX sales have been hurting and not selling as much you might think you see alot but from what i read around the Internet and car review's I think nobody knows but Honda and we should just wait around and see officially what they do instead of spreading bullshit.
06-07-2013, 04:14 PM
#27
I'm not sure why everyone is saying the ILX has low sales. The May 2013 rankings look like this
#65 Acura TL 12,434 - 15.3% 2682 - 17.8%
#66 Hyundai Veloster 12,303 - 21.1% 2826 - 22.0%
#67 Lincoln MKZ 11,260 - 1.2% 3490 + 42.0%
#68 Toyota Yaris 11,179 - 37.8% 1778 - 49.5%
#69 Volvo S60 10,233 + 4.4% 2739 + 28.9%
#70 Mitsubishi Lancer 9418 + 35.25 1626 + 15.7%
#71 Acura ILX 9217 + 5386% 1709 + 917%
#72 Lexus IS 8867 - 23.7% 1897 - 28.6%
#73 Scion FR-S 8206 + 9442% 1937 + 2152%
#74 Audi A6 8047 + 17.7% 1767 + 4.4%
#75 Scion xB 7875 - 5.5% 1740 - 6.2%
#76 Acura TSX 7746 - 48.4% 1948 - 32.4%
76.1
Acura TSX Sedan6736 - 49.6% 1757 - 29.4% #76.2
Acura TSX Wagon 1010 - 38.9% 191 - 51.0%
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#65 Acura TL 12,434 - 15.3% 2682 - 17.8%
#66 Hyundai Veloster 12,303 - 21.1% 2826 - 22.0%
#67 Lincoln MKZ 11,260 - 1.2% 3490 + 42.0%
#68 Toyota Yaris 11,179 - 37.8% 1778 - 49.5%
#69 Volvo S60 10,233 + 4.4% 2739 + 28.9%
#70 Mitsubishi Lancer 9418 + 35.25 1626 + 15.7%
#71 Acura ILX 9217 + 5386% 1709 + 917%
#72 Lexus IS 8867 - 23.7% 1897 - 28.6%
#73 Scion FR-S 8206 + 9442% 1937 + 2152%
#74 Audi A6 8047 + 17.7% 1767 + 4.4%
#75 Scion xB 7875 - 5.5% 1740 - 6.2%
#76 Acura TSX 7746 - 48.4% 1948 - 32.4%
76.1
Acura TSX Sedan6736 - 49.6% 1757 - 29.4% #76.2
Acura TSX Wagon 1010 - 38.9% 191 - 51.0%
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06-07-2013, 05:31 PM
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There is just a different feeling of driving a RWD v. FWD.
06-07-2013, 11:25 PM
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06-08-2013, 06:45 AM
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06-08-2013, 08:58 AM
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RWD isn't necessarily cheaper than AWD. Most mass market AWD (Subaru, Audi, Acura, Toyota etc) started life as FWD and I can only think of luxury cars that started life as RWD (Mercedes, BMW) - or trucks since everyone knows that real trucks are either RWD or AWD.
Honda has built their reputation on building affordable reliable cars - that is FWD.
06-08-2013, 09:40 AM
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No, the Ridgeline is not RWD. It's AWD that is primarily FWD-biased.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to take the long road to breakfast in my RWD Honda.
06-08-2013, 09:59 AM
#34
David_Dude
RWD is fine with the appropriate tires - but - this is all academic because Acura simply cannot go RWD.
Acuras are built on Honda chassis (chassii?). That would mean that Honda would have to go RWD as well. RWD is significantly more expensive than FWD so that won't happen.
Most luxury cars are RWD or AWD. The RLX just came out as a FWD - the only car in the lineup where they could/should have justified RWD but they didn't.
Both the TSX and the TL will go away at some point and be replaced by a single model but since we haven't heard anything definitive yet, then it really can't happen in 2014 - the Acura boys and girls aren't that secretive.
The TL has way more incentives than the TSX. That would tell me that the TL is harder to sell.
Acuras are built on Honda chassis (chassii?). That would mean that Honda would have to go RWD as well. RWD is significantly more expensive than FWD so that won't happen.
Most luxury cars are RWD or AWD. The RLX just came out as a FWD - the only car in the lineup where they could/should have justified RWD but they didn't.
Both the TSX and the TL will go away at some point and be replaced by a single model but since we haven't heard anything definitive yet, then it really can't happen in 2014 - the Acura boys and girls aren't that secretive.
The TL has way more incentives than the TSX. That would tell me that the TL is harder to sell.
This whole conversation is pure speculation, but the Ridgeline is (for Honda) a niche vehicle designed for the US market and I don't even know if it is RWD but i will take your word for it.
RWD isn't necessarily cheaper than AWD. Most mass market AWD (Subaru, Audi, Acura, Toyota etc) started life as FWD and I can only think of luxury cars that started life as RWD (Mercedes, BMW) - or trucks since everyone knows that real trucks are either RWD or AWD.
Honda has built their reputation on building affordable reliable cars - that is FWD.
RWD isn't necessarily cheaper than AWD. Most mass market AWD (Subaru, Audi, Acura, Toyota etc) started life as FWD and I can only think of luxury cars that started life as RWD (Mercedes, BMW) - or trucks since everyone knows that real trucks are either RWD or AWD.
Honda has built their reputation on building affordable reliable cars - that is FWD.
06-08-2013, 10:10 AM
#35
Pro
I see a ton of Acuras everwhere in my city. There are 8-10 newer Acuras inluding one ZDX on my street alone all frome the same dealer....Weir Canyon Acura. I live 2 miles away.
06-08-2013, 11:19 AM
#36
David_Dude
http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/2nd-ge...confirmed.html
Doing a good search and found this. The thread is about 5 mos old, but it talks about the Euro Accord.
Doing a good search and found this. The thread is about 5 mos old, but it talks about the Euro Accord.
06-08-2013, 12:29 PM
#38
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Touche Ken, The S2000. Damn cheap ass Acura can't make a decent sports car under $100000. Very sad because you almost could get two Corvettes that will smoke the NSX.
06-08-2013, 09:05 PM
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