d1sturb3d119

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Depreciation, cost of service, reliability and its used. Just a couple things I'd think of. For the badge yes, but if that were the case I'd find an ISF instead.

goodhed

I loved the Pontiac G8 and its current avatar SS. It's a great car and is a step up from TL/TLX. If I had to buy the SS, I will definitely opt-in for a used one.

I do not think we can directly compare it with anything from the Acura stable. Plus, if you have driven it, you will see that this one is all about the engine and the build quality or materials aren't that great.

CGTSX2004

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Not so sure about the better option. The LSX motor line-up is old school and super easy to tune to make massive horsepower with nominal upgrades. Plus, it is extraordinarily easy to work on and fix if anything were to happen.

Both BMW and MB still have reputations for being expensive to repair out of warranty and both the M3 and C63 are much smaller cars.

goodhed

As per the latest press release, there seems to be quite a few things to look forward to:

The 2015 TLX will offer two advanced new powertrains – a 2.4-liter 16-valve, direct-injected i-VTEC® 4-cylinder engine mated to an all-new 8-speed dual-clutch transmission with torque converter; and a 3.5-liter 24-valve direct-injected i-VTEC V-6 mated to a new 9-speed automatic transmission.

Two-wheel-drive models, available with either the 2.4- or 3.5-liter powerplants, will utilize the next-generation of Acura Precision All-Wheel Steer™ (P-AWS™) technology with independent left and right rear-wheel toe angle control. The TLX SH-AWD™, available exclusively with the 3.5-liter powerplant, will employ a next-generation Super-Handling All Wheel Drive™ system that is 25-percent lighter and incorporates new torque-vectoring control logic.

The TLX was designed to deliver vault-like quietness in all driving conditions, with major improvements in noise reduction through enhancements to body stiffness, body sealing and sound insulation, and the application of electronic Active Noise Control. The TLX will be available with Acura's most advanced safety and driver-assistive technologies including Collision Mitigation Braking System™ (CMBS™), Forward Collision Warning (FCW), Lane Departure Warning (LDW), Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS), Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with Low-Speed Follow and Blind Spot Indicator (BSI).

The Acura press conference is scheduled for 1:50 p.m. (EST) on April 16, 2014 inside the Jacob Javits Convention Center.

Original Link: http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/ar...spx?id=7658-en

VR1

The E9X M3 seems to be pretty rock hard reliability wise.. I haven't heard any stories, and I know multiple owners with 50K+ on the clock with no issues. As for upgrading, I agree the BMW will be on the more expensive side, but the C63 however is a different story. With a $1,200 tune on the C63 you will be pushing 540bhp (90 bhp over stock) easy... If you add high performance exhaust manifolds you're at ~580bhp. All for around ~3-4k. SS also takes 5.0 sec. to get to 60. You're going to need some serious power to compete with M3/C63/ISF.

BattleofXs

lsx with the same amount of money invested will put way more out than 580 bhp which is only about 490whp btw

it just depends if you want to spend more on the c63 to get all the interior goodies. most people don't

VR1

The Callaway SS with 570bhp takes 4.5 sec. to get to 60. Still slower then a stock C63. Not to mention to reach that 570bhp on the SS's LS3 requires an Eaton Supercharger + more stuff vs. Headers + Tune on the C63. You can reach 550bhp on the SS with bolt on's but its not any cheaper then a tune on a C63 anyway.

BattleofXs

please tell me what USED AMG c63 is gonna have all that for anywhere near an affordable price,

you can buy a c5 corvette with an ls2 and get it to 500-600whp more easily and reliably and less expensively. You couldn't buy a c63 for that price

there's more to a fast car than it's 0-60 time too btw

VR1

You can find 2010 C63's with ~20-25k miles for 45k. (Depends though on whether optioned with the P31 and LSD or not). Add in 6-7k (tops) for a custom tune + Exhaust manifolds and your at 550bhp. To reach 550bhp on the SS youre looking at Camshaft, headers, mid-pipes, catalyctic converters etc.. Basically full boltons, at around the same price as the 550bhp C63. Not to mention it wouldn't even be close between them. 550bhp SS might be able to keep up with a C63 with the factory performance package. I agree on you about the C5, but the C5 doesn't have 4 doors like the C63/SS. I think the SS is a cool car and everything, but there are better 4 door performance cars for the money IMO. I would consider a used SS for ~30-35k. I also agree that 0-60 time doesn't mean much. In fact, to me, it's one of the least important things compared to handling, steering feedback, driving dynamics etc..

BattleofXs

you also forget the 2010 c63 has only 450bhp so that is about 405whp and it weighs ~4000lbs. Oh and they still go for 45k+ with low/medium mileage

You can buy an SS non-callaway and mod it enough to easily outperform that car for less price.

it just boils down to preference, and of course the maintenance, which is quite a lot easier on an LS engine

kurtatx

Agreed. The SS just lacks the style of it's foreign competitors. Surely the four door corvette would be a better looking automobile.

VR1

I agree.

BUT the SS only has 415bhp. A SS with 550bhp won't keep up with a 550bhp c63. AND the C63 will be cheaper to get to 550bhp (540bhp only needs a $1.2k tune)

BattleofXs

the 2014 srt8 charger would stay up with it

evo9

Would you like to explain cost of ownership for those cars with much better option to the rest of us??

BattleofXs

the biggest thing being, getting a brand new SS fully loaded with warranty, for the price of a used m3 or or c63amg, taking a risk on maintenance history, and vehicle longevity, for the sake of 20 more hp or so.

he's 16 according to his profile on here, so we can't expect him to elaborate on stuff like that yet

VR1

The E9X M3 is rock solid.. Look at Consumer Reports reliability ratings as well as cost of ownership. The facts back me up. If you modded a SS to keep up with a stock M3 anyways, your warranty on the SS would be voided. And there is much more seperating a M3 from the SS then ~20hp. You have to look at driving dynamics, build quality etc.. Not to mention you could also find a ISF or 556hp CTS-V for the same range.

EricInMaryland

I spoke to the dealer while buying my TSX and he said that Acura has decided not to offer the Candy Apple Red on the TLX that was used in the marketing. He said many dealers are pissed as they had preorders / holds for that specific color.

Lets hope Acura follows the ILX mantra and offers better color choices. The hues and shades on their other lines are eh.

They should call Tesla whose colors are stunning.