dom

Ummm, no... they're not. The 09 Pilot is rated at 250/253. You'd figure someone who works at Honda would know that 240/242 was for the 08 model.

EDIT: The 08 was rated at 244/240. Not sure where 240/242 comes from.

dom

The Pilots engine is 3.5 litres.

I believe a V6 is coming, I think that's pretty obvious going off everything we've heard for about a year now. I Just wonder why he would say "Pilot engine". That 3.5 is used (tuned differently, VCM etc...)in the Accord, Odyssey, Pilot and TL. Seems strange.

And for those who don't know, Honda's 3.5L engine is THE SAME SIZE and lighter than the old 3.0L in the Accord and 3.2L in the TL. So fitment should not be an issue.

dom

TL doesn't have a Tq steer issue with 280/270. I'd expect more than 240 for the TSX. 250-260 sounds about right.

dom

VCM is a joke/marketing gimmick.

LukeaTron

Does the 2nd gen TSX have room to pass a rear axle through? I know there was long running speculation about a SH-AWD variant of the 1st gen but that was never even a possibility since the chassis would have to have been altered radically. I'm curious if is this is still the case. I suspect it is as it seems a bit clumsy to make the TSX AWD when that would move the price point well into TL land.

I still think a SH-FWD would be friggin awesome in this car with another 50 or 60 hp. Torque steer could simply be programmed away at that point. Plus you wouldn't have the weight or drive line loss of an AWD system. My fingers are crossed.

dom

I'm not sure how different SH-AWD is from Honda's VTM-4WD but the previous gen TSX was offered with the VTM-4 in Japan.

Also not sure how similar the TSX and TL chasis are but they are similar, so I'd guess that the axle will fit.

But I'm with you, I'd rather see it remain FWD at this point. Adding AWD will add far too much weight and complexity.

Mokos23

Forget about 5AT, give us a 7AT!

dom

Thats just it, with a 6 or 7 speed AT they wouldn't need VCM.

But then what would they lure in the idiots with?

valeratj

They already had aprototype of TSX with RDX engine AND drivetrain. I dont know exactly why they didnt put it into production, but I suspect that it had to do something with the price. I mean turbo engines always cost a few grand more than similar NA engines and Honda didn't want to set a pricetag of $32-35k for entry level sedan.

wackura

I get mildly offended when people say a V6 TSX would be a 3G TL. I happily passed a 3G TL but I would consider a V6 TSX. Why would I have done that?

2002Dawg

I'm not sure which TL you've driven, but my '05 6MT has quite a lot of torque steer. My buddy's '04 6MT has similar issues. I have to cross oncoming traffic daily, without a traffic light, during my morning commute. More than once I have had to gun it to make it across, and I have to fight with the wheel to aim the car in the right direction. It's not dangerous, but it's certainly not as smooth as the RL.

Maybe the 5AT doesn't have this issue, but I know my car does. Adding SH-AWD would make power delivery much better.

I do think a 2G TSX V6 SH-AWD 6MT Tech would be the perfect replacement for my TL. I don't want to pay 45k for the 2010 TL 6MT, and frankly I don't want a car that big.

CraigMacDTA

Sorry that was MY fuck up...I sell Acura's so excuse my ignorance with Honda products' numbers

LuvMyTSX

I feel similarly, except I'd be replacing a 1G TSX.

A V6 TSX sounds pretty good to me. I do yearn for a bit more power sometimes, particularly while passing other vehicles and pulling out into traffic. The TL is quite large (and expensive) now and honestly I don't think I'd like to drive a vehicle that size. The fuel economy also leaves a bit to be desired.

dom

I haven't driven one since 04, so I can't speak from personal experience but rarely if ever do I see torque steer come up as an issue in any TL review, test or complaints from owners on this board. Sure AWD will be ideal, but there are plenty of FWD cars with 250+ HP.

The new Accord doesn't have too many Torque steer complaints from what I've seen. A FWD TSX with 250HP would be fine.

dom

Mokos23

that's a good question, maybe they can say add adaptive cruise control on the TSX as well. it's in the Euro Accord i think. i saw an insideline video stating that the new Euro Accord had it.

Colin

As I recall, the original MDX in 2001 had a 240 hp engine. Not sure about the torque though.

cyberbro

Have you driven a lot of Rear wheel drive cars?
It might be hard to feel without a comparison because I'm sure the TL has some TQ steer, the TSX even has some. All front wheel drive cars do.

deznium

if u add more torque to those front wheels, u get torque steer. Seems like TSX will just becoming another TL (2004-2008) with more nimble handling. For torquey / fast cars at low RPM, I'd go for a RWD any day. I like to accelerate at corners and FWD can add under-steer while cornering.

HeavyDuty

Where's Shadow Tuner's *W* when I need it?

An A/T 08 TL-S with I/E and intake spacer has a handfull of torque steer in certain circumstances. I.E; Pointed straight on a freeway on-ramp.

Hell, my bone-ass stock TSX has it coming out of a corner with a generous amount of loud pedal.

It's all just a matter of what one is accustomed to.

ShadowTuner

Here ya go...



And to add, my tsx also has some torque steer. This is my first FWD car, so as Heavy Duty said, its what you are accustomed to. My previous car was an 05 G35 coupe, so it is definitely a noticeable difference.

H1K1F1

Of course, RWD can add (snap) oversteer under such circumstances. That's a sure way to scare the piss out of yourself. That's rarely, if ever, an issue with a FWD car. So, RWD isn't all goodness!

SSFTSX

how about going up the cliffs. I have seen too many times RWD BMW/Lexus to have slip of wheels waiting for red light on hills of SF down town. My TSX hugs the front part and i am very confident in launching it without putting other foot on brake.

dom

Of course there is torque steer on FWD cars. I don't think I was saying its non-existent, just not a major complaint or issue like it can be on some FWD cars (Prev Gen Maxima, MazdaSpeed 3 are 2 good examples) I can't ever recall reading a Accord or TL review where the writer was concerned over the amount of torque steer. Again, that's not to say it isn't there, just not entirely bothersome.

Point being, I'd rather have to deal with torque steer on a V6 TSX vs not having a V6 offered. If the V6 TSX does become a 04-08 TL, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

ant

First time poster here, but have been lurking for awhile. I gotta say a V6 TSX would be great. My parents were looking for a new car recently and they were torn between the Accord and the TSX. They ended up taking the accord because they could get a V6 that ran on 87 octane. Take note this was before gas prices dropped significantly. The 4cylinder wasn't enough power and the 91+ octane deterred them even more. However they only leased the Honda and if this news is true, you can bet I will push them towards the V6 TSX.

LuvMyTSX

It'll likely take 91/93, though, so your parents (and other people) might be turned off from it.

SilverJ

I personally dont like the new TL at ALL...if a 6 cyl TSX were to come out I would seriously consider it as a replacement for my beautiful 04 TL.
The new TSX rocks in the looks dept...the TL...not so much. The only thing I dont like about the current TSX is the lack of power. A V6 would solve that issue...bring it on.

TS_eXpeed

cyberbro

Yes that was my point!

09TSXMN

dom, you seem to have an issue with the VCM as you commented about it many times, did you date a person that had these same initials that did you wrong or did the VCM button shock you???

The VCM can manage torque steer quite well as it applies a slight braking pressure to the opposite front wheel that is pulling the car into the other direction. In addition, it will release some throttle at the low speed torque. The Mazda3 Speed edition uses this technique on the 270 hp front driver and manages it quite well. In addition video's on winter test tracks demonstrating same driver input with the VSM on and off show a dramatic difference in handling. I do not think it is a marketing ploy for morons.

Regarding the 6, I am afraid that the extra $2 grand??? for this would push the Acura strongly into the same price range as the G-35, IS-250, and CTS, all of which are rear drivers. I looked at these, but decided to go for the TSX because of the better milage (I commute 70 miles/day), the best in class 6 speed manual, the 'lighter' feeling chassis in handling, and, living in Minnesota, the front driver for better traction. These are my preferences however, I am sure others just might go the extra dough for the 6 and still stay with the TSX.

dom

VCM = Variable Cylinder Management - Shut of 2 or 3 cylinders to "save fuel".

VSA = Vehicle Stability Assist

Two entirely different things. You're talking about VSA, which I'm quite fond of as well.

chibianh

a V6 would be a nice addition.. but it would take SH-AWD to get me to upgrade.

09TSXMN

DOPE!!!! You are right, I guess I had too many Christmas cookies and was off course with the acronyms. Thanks for the clarification. I guess you did not have a bad relationship with someone having those initials after all!

dom

Nope. VSA is one of the best things Honda has done in years IMO. Have on the Ody as well. Thank god they allow user control (unlike Toyota) because you do have to shut it off to get going in the deep stuff.

carcrazyboy68

i dought they will put a v6 in the tsx. but i have been in contact with my dealer and there is talk about a type s tsx...they are talking about putting the rdx 2.3t in the tsx. but like othet ppl have said it all depends on gas prices.

Mokos23

i would trade in my TSX for a V6 TSX SH-AWD only.

jiggaman

same here

HeavyDuty

2.3T...that's a swap I *would* do. It's a more appropriate choice AFAIK for this application.

With 10k miles on the clock now, I'm just starting to appreciate the lack of weight over the nose on this thing. There's a buttload of room under the hood for the turbo & plumbing & a top mount or front mount and..and..and. =)

CraigMacDTA

Plain and simple, the TSX should be made available with as many different variations/trims as possible. Imagine the potential...

1. Current 4 banger
2. 2.3L w/Turbo
3. V6 with VCM
4. V6 with SH-AWD
5. Diesel option (only in 6speed)

This type of flexibility would truly put Acura on the map with the potential to go to battle with the 3 series line-up. Fuck that'd be sweet!

Colin

I don't know, Maybe its because we have nobody to trade cars with, but that many choices would be impossible to inventory. It is already at the breaking point with the variation/color combos of MDX. It seems that Acura went in this direction to increase sales, but I see no evidence that it has helped.