Hey guys. You may have seen my previous post about my 05 TL getting totalled. I bought a 2009 TSX. Had it for 2 days and car will not start. It has run just great the 2 days I have had it. It was stammering a bit before a start but always started.

What I have done so far: The car had a stored code for a crankshaft position sensor so I replaced that. ( afterword I disconnected the battery for 2 mins then reconnected. Still having the saem issues. Code has cleared thought.

Checked fuel pump with a friend. Fuel pump is turning on and priming.

What else could cause crakning but no start?

Please help!

 

On my truck, people have had problems with the chip in the key. Chip is bad, or their hand position doesn't let the chip signal get to the receiver. Changing to the second key often fixed the problem.

The electronic ignition is way too complex for me to get into here, but I'd suspect it would throw a code if something was wrong there.

 

So I called the place I got it from and it was towed back to the dealership. The car has 223k on it but it only had one owner why took it to the same shop bassically it's whole life. Had documented regular dealer service. I test drove it, It ran and drove almost like a new one. So I had no concerns about the car other than millage.

I called the dealership and they can't figure it out. Here is what the dealer told me:
It has fuel (Tested at the pump and engine).
Injectors are good (Tested)
There is Air and Spark.
They used both keys
It sill will not start.

It just cranks and cranks and cranks.

Any Insight at all? I Drove it less then 15 miles before it started this. Up to that point it ran like new car. Everything worked. EVERY FEATURE SSTILL was working. I just do not get it.

 

A friend had a Jeep Grand Cherokee which exhibited the same symptoms...all the pieces for the vehicle to start and run were in place...except it wouldn't. After throwing parts at the problem up to and including ECU replacement without success...it turned out to be an issue with the Anti-Theft computer on the vehicle. Not saying that's your issue...but certainly a viable direction in which to look.

 

Crankshaft position sensor? Or maybe timing chain tensioner isn't able to tension the timing chain so engine "doesn't know where it is at in the cycle" pending it from starting.

 

Another thing that could have happened......which is just crazy, but the car and keys may have lost their "speaking signal" to each other..... maybe the keys need to be reprogrammed to the car......

 

Update: Car has been back at the dealership for a week. So far they have changed the spark plugs and tested a whole bunch of stuff I mentioned above. Today they stated that they think the timming chain jumped. Then the tried to explain this very common. IDK about that though?

 

yes as stated in my previous post. Timing chain jumps due to guides wearing and/or tensioner cannot keep tension on the chain.

 

Uh.... Is that bad?

 

It can be if the engine for some reason managed to be run and driven while out of time. Yes. FOr these engines it can and will hurt them. Now my main concern is damage.

 

FFS...

Hope she's ok!

 

Best thing to do now is purchase a new chain, chain guides, tensioner, and possibly the new upper sprockets plus labor should be in the neighborhood of about $1200ish

 

I agree. I spoke with the dealership today. They have been decent with me thus far. I have to Given Evansville Ford a little credit. Thier willingness to resolve the issue seem genuine. I will keep the thread updated. I will do a Video walk around on the car when I get it back.

THanks guys!

 

That's freaking awesome that they're working with you!!! I hope this ends up being a good car in the end... I really like it!!! Especially the color combo!!!

 

So here is what went down. The dealership said they were going to take of me. What they ended up doing was forcing me to pay for half of the cost to repairs needed to make the car run aagain which took almost 2 and a half weeks. I feel strongly that they should have covered the whole thing. Mostly because I paid in full and the car was not operational less then 6 miles down the road from the dealer.

 

I don't think that splitting the bill is that unfair... They should have covered it but atleast they comped you somewhat...


It sounds like they repaired it first then said... "BTW, you owe us money"... In that case... That's not right...


I do remember Eric The Car Guy said that sometimes service advisors would try to mitigate cost to the customer for things out of warranty.

I know it sucks that you just bought the car and I totally feel for you ... But I have to say, atleast they could fix it! Imagine if you got it off Craigslist or a shell lot dealer working out of a trailer... They wpuld have been either no where to be found or say "not my problem"...

Keep us posted... I still love your car!

 

Yeah my friend used to work in a shop. He told me they technically can't charge me for qork they never asked permission to do. Becasue they did just that. They took the car. THen 2 weeks later they told me they already ordered all the parts and it was going to be about $1200.

Just help but feel liked they kinda off loaded this car on me and then made me pay to fix what they said they "inspected" and everythiing checked out.

 

I feel for you.... You may have a case....

 

The repair is a 4 hour repair based off manuals. Issue is, what they made you pay was their internal cost. Used car department is a service departments best customer. I just had the same repair done, parts cost about $350ish and labor was $180.00 $45/hr at 4 hrs. That is “internal” labor rate. You basically paid for the whole thing, costing the dealership nothing! They split nothing with you.......trying to help you as I work for a dealership, so I know these things!

 

Replacing the timing chain is a 4hr repair?

 

Wait...so what was wrong with the car?

The timing skipped bad enough for the car not to start...but there was no piston to valve contact?

The car's just "fixed" now, after a timing chain kit?

Seems very strange.

I guess if the chain was stretched, then the crank sensor code makes sense.

But why was a dealershipnot able to figure this out for 2 weeks? That's a pretty easy check.

Did they test the engthe's compression before/after? Or just yeeted it back to you after charging you for all this work?

Who replaced the crank sensor? And where was the sensor purchased?

I guess to be fair, you bought a car that was stammering when it started. So you should have expected there to be some issues.

 

Do you think I should put my Ecperience on Youtube?

 

​​​​​​​If the content is good, the advertising money might pay for your repairs.

 

I will do it. I lost my butt here. They cleaned me out and I am not going silent on this. These guys kind pinched me and I am going to post a review and start doing the video tonight. I just need the forums support on this. I don't have tons of money. It took everything just to get the car back from them. Should be okay by this Friday though.

 

How much was the total repair bill?

 

$1200 total. THey asked that I pay half. My counter offer was $500. Because I knew that was the most I could come up with in cash short notice.

 

Also, Still having issues starting at times. Car runs fine but it wouldn't start at the auto parts store. Cranked like crazy but no start. Tootk the key out and tried again and it fired in one crank. I checked the code there since I own a nice Bi directional scanner. Had it with me. Was getting a Crank position sensor error. Same code I was getting just before the car wouldn't start at all. Stil no other faults. Just randomly won't start. Unlike last time thought I just have to try it again and it starts.

 

Wasn't it fixed by a Ford dealer?



The thought of Ford mechanics working on a Honda gives mw anxiety...

 

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Take it back. You paid for them to fix it.

Again...it jumped 4 or 5 teeth? And there wasn't any piston/valve interference?

 

Yes, according to Shop manuals, it pays 4 hours.

 

Starters are VERY common on K series engines...but cover the basics first!

 

Starters are actually very common on most modern liquid fuel powered vehicles

But yes, you are of course correct - starter issues are common on the K series.