17 x 7 Rim with +40 offset Problem

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Old Mar 24, 2005 | 12:50 PM
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17 x 7 Rim with +40 offset Problem

Hello everyone, I have a problem these new rims I have purchased. I have had them for about 3 months and have just discovered this issue. I have a 2002 TLS and Yokohomas V4 in 215/50/17. I have not lowered my car, so that is how this problem went undiscovered for so long. It is usually just my wife and I driving the car with no one in the backseat. And if someone is in the back seat, the trunk is empty. Well we went out of town for the first time with two people and luggage. On the expressway, I am slamming down on the rims and tires, at 6o+ mph. It looks like it is just the outer edge of the tire where it meets the inner piece of the wheel well. Any suggestions? I have heard of rolling fenders on other hondas, is it possible on our TL? I hate to loose these rims, they look so sweet.
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Old Mar 24, 2005 | 03:44 PM
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7" wide rims with a 40 offset and 215 tires should have been ok....

if you mean it's rubbing along the metal fender lip that follows the curve of the arch then you can roll or shave/cut it off. however, some also rub against the portion of the rear bumper than becomes part of the arch. just figure out where it's rubbing, how much of it makes contact and do what you have to do. i do not like rolling because you can warp the fender and it's possible to crack the paint along the edge. cutting with an airsaw is simple, clean if you have a steady hand, and offers maximum clearance because you can cut off the entire lip if you needed to.
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Old Mar 24, 2005 | 03:53 PM
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Thanks for the reply, I do have a cutter. I will take it to a elevated driveway and drive up it sidways and see just what is rubbing. I think I can cut it after that. I have never tried rolling so I guess I will try to trim instead, thanks.
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Old Mar 24, 2005 | 04:17 PM
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Update:

I just got off the phone with my mechanic and he said that the Yokohamas have a more straight or square side wall than most tires. That makes them a little wider that other tires of the same size. He says they square the sides to make the entire tread lay almost flat on the concrete for better grip. The yokohamas dont round up towards the center of the tire. So if I was running the stock michelins for example, they are much more skinner in appearance than the Yoks, so rubbing would not be an issue, however I am going to have to cut my fender or put back on my stock TLS rims. So Yokohama Tire owners becareful. Does anyone know if I would have this same issue on my wife's 2001 RL? The tire is 225 in width, I wonder if the +40 offset would fit her car. I know the lug pattern is the same. If anyone knows the answer to this, I thank you in advance for answering me.
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Old Apr 19, 2005 | 02:28 PM
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I have a similar problem on my 99 TL. I just put on 17" wheels with a 40mm offset and 225/50 Falken Ziex 512s. I'm experiencing the same rubbing in the back wheel well with weight in the car or when going over dips and curbs, depending on the speed and angle I hit them.

Good suggestion on cutting the inside lip rather than rolling the fender. I'll have to look into this.

Alternatively, would new springs and shocks help? Meaning stiffen up the back-end so it holds up better and also alleviate some of the bouncing. Should I go with a set-up with minimal or moderate lowering?

Would appreciate any feedback and/or relay your experience with this kind of problem. Also any recommendations on brands and specs?
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Old Apr 19, 2005 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by StanMan
7" wide rims with a 40 offset and 215 tires should have been ok....
I have 7" wide rims, 42 offset, and 225 tires, and they are not OK when new. The rear metal fenders, not bumper tabs, scrape against the tire shoulders when going over bumps with the rear end loaded. But now the excess tire rubber has been shaved off and there is no more scraping. Looks like the above setup is 1mm wider than mine, so it will rub quite badly.
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Old Apr 19, 2005 | 03:24 PM
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So cutting the metal fender is a possible fix. I'll stick some tape around with fender to better see what is rubbing. But it looks like going to a 215/50-17 tire is another solution.

Any feelings on my other proposed solution? (would new springs and shocks help? Meaning stiffen up the back-end so it holds up better and also alleviate some of the bouncing. Should I go with a set-up with minimal or moderate lowering?)
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Old Apr 19, 2005 | 03:40 PM
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Even if you get some adjustable shocks and dial them to the stiffest setting, if you rear end is fully loaded and the bump or dip is severe enough, the wheel may still go under the fender and rub. Other side effects of stiffest rear shocks are very rough ride quality and increase oversteering which can be dangerous. When you start messing with the shock settings, you're changing the handling dynamics of the car.
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Old Apr 19, 2005 | 05:38 PM
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Wait, so, if you cut the fender lip thing, isn`t that going to cause you to lose the plastic fender thing in the front??
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Old Apr 19, 2005 | 05:55 PM
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Not sure. I'm going to see what the tape trick tells me. Plus I'm not visualizing the plastic vs metal fender part right now. Will know more soon.

By the way (slikz), what is your opinion on the other proposed solution? (would new springs and shocks help? Meaning stiffen up the back-end so it holds up better and also alleviate some of the bouncing. Should I go with a set-up with minimal or moderate lowering?)
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 05:03 PM
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Oh lol, sorry, I`m not the person to ask. I`m also having problems with rubbing. My car is dropped 2.1F and 1.6R and I want it lower. It rubbed in the beginning, but it stopped because the rubbing caused the fender line edge thing to be rolled in, haha`. I`m sitting on Tein S.Tech, and I think I`m going with the Tokico Illuminas while my car is at the shop. Also, I`m sure if the back end is stiffened up, you`ll avoid rubbing. When I get my Illuminas I`m going all stiff.
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 05:10 PM
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40 is pretty damn low for the TL. 42 is pretty much the bare minimum. Remember, the stock wheels are a 55 offset.
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