TL-Super

plus your weight of course

nayaab88

YO thinhthan which Aurora are you from? Colorado or Illinois?

Rajca

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with a button. over on the right side under the vent area. should also have the button for the sunroof

DC3328

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^TCS is on the left side for us TL-Pee's next to the cruise control, after you press it the TCS light will go on that means its off, that will help ALOT with your launches

Rajca

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o yea sry i meant the left. same thing thats in teh tl-s except its vsa. i forgot to turn it off twice and it just messes up the who run.

CJITTY

tirerack.com had some Kosei split five spoke 17" wheels that weigh 13lbs and 18" wheels that weigh 16 lbs..that is about 10 lbs less compared to stock wheels and that is huge when it comes to wheel weight

anx1300c

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I beg to differ! 500+ lbs removed from a 3rd Gen. Basically like adding 65 hp to the car, but with MUCH better handling and braking dynamics.

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/m-010-putting-tl-diet-update-links-post-1-a-610974/

(Skip to page 21 for the latest stats)

Rajca

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for every 100lbs u take out that about a tenth off ur time.

02type-s

What the hell are you going to remove from an Acura TL to drop 500 pounds...

DC3328

iTrader: (22)

wow, props to Inaccurate for taking that mod to the extreme

DC3328

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all of this..

ITEMIZED LIST OF WEIGHT REDUCTION
-----------------------------------------------------
84.0 Racing Seats and racing restraint system (see Warning #3 below)
40.0 Reduced fuel (buy just 4.5 gallons at a time)
40.0 Rims
36.0 Rear seat delete
34.0 Spare tire (use lightweight 12V air pump)
31.0 Sunroof delete
27.5 Braille battery
23.0 Trunk panels
17.5 Parking brake and lever (see Warning #1 below)
17.0 Front bumper
16.0 Rear bumper
13.0 Radio delete
13.0 Personal weight loss (attributed to this project)
10.0 Front seat kick panels
9.0 Side curtain airbags (see Warning #2 below)
8.5 Mid muffler delete
8.5 Seatbelts for rear seat
8.0 CAI
7.5 Front damper
7.0 UR Crank pulley
6.5 Floor mats (now incls driver's too)
6.0 Engine bay panels
6.0 Rear seat arm rest
5.5 Subwoofer speaker
5.5 Ground effect panels
5.5 Rear deck
5.5 Center console armrest
4.0 Reduced wiper fluid (use 1 pint at a time)
3.7 Rear seat insulation
3.7 Rear speakers
3.5 Engine cradle damper
3.5 Small airbags in front seats (see Warning #2 below)
3.4 Glovebox delete
3.0 Megan pipe replacing oem 3rd cat
2.5 Glovebox plate
2.5 Innovative Mounts (engine mounts)
2.4 Owner manual
2.0 Roof console
2.0 Grab handles
1.8 Hood insulation
1.5 Trunk damper
1.5 Splash guards for front brake rotors
1.4 Kick panels under front dash
1.4 Footrest
1.2 Xm radio reciever
1.2 Misc (airbag brackets & antenna booster)
1.0 Exhaust heat shield
0.5 Coin holder & sunglass holders
0.5 Xm antenna
------------------------------------------------------------
539.2 Lbs TOTAL

thinhthan

im from aurora in colorado. i thought wen you push that botton the tcs light turns on and i that that means its turn on all the time?

thinhthan

i got a insignifficent egr flow so it sometimes set off the tcs light anyways. would that matter? i just havent had time to take it apart and clean it yet

DC3328

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nope, light on = off

read your owners manual, LOTS of information that will answer alot of your questions

and you shouldn't be racing if you've got problems with the engine

thinhthan

my egr flow is insignifficent so it set the tcs light on anyways will tat turn it off too?

anx1300c

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It was all there in the link I posted. I even said to check page 21 for the latest stats.

02type-s

Ok, and now you have a barely streetable, stripped down track car.

Its a TL for god's sake.

Inaccurate

First and foremost, this is a subjective thing (based on one's opinion).

However, I feel IMHO that most guy's on this forum would disagree. My car is a daily driver. I commute 52 miles round trip per weekday through Houston during rush hour. IMHO, my car is far, far from being barely streetable.

Cite me some logically arguments as to why you feel that my car is barely streetable.

If "barely streetable" is you opinion, then ok. I will respect your right to voice your opinion. Cheers

ChrisQ1980

How do you drive the car without front and rear bumpers?

anx1300c

iTrader: (2)

LOL...he still has the shells. The actual bumpers are behind them.

02type-s

Barely streetable is an exageration. I guess I don't see the point of buying a TL and stripping it down. Could have gone with a lighter, non-luxury car in the first place.

SurreyTypeS

You guys are freaking hilarious, i saved 600 lbs by cutting my roof off and taking off the doors and hood and trunk, i duct taped the car together, its awesome!! and another 110 lbs by leaving my girlfriend at home

NYtypeS03

geez buy a crx or a hatch ull get it down to 1200 pound easy even less as for the tl instead of weight reduuction ill just get my supercharger enjoy my ac, power sterring, and full interior, with my 12's pounding in the back

totaledTL

What do you do when it rains w/ no sunroof, look for a car wash or bank drive thru

fsttyms1

Go to the DIY page and follow the directions to fix that. Its a 1 hr job for the first timer and only costs 5 bucks in carb cleaner. You will get better mileage, idle and run better as well.

Never Summer

I'm really liking the no sunroof look, of course I'd paint the panel white, or do a CF overlay of the entire roof, depending how ghetto/ricer-ish I was feeling...

CJITTY

Wow, and all this time I thought I had a luxury sport sedan..little did I know I have a track speed racer car under all that sheet metal

ChrisQ1980

I pray that he never gets into an accident, that's so dangerous for DD use.

Inaccurate

This carbon fiber sunroof plug is Not a vinyl sticker nor a single cosmetic layer of carbon over cheaper fiberglass. This is a true CF part made entirely of 5 layers of real carbon fiber and high grade epoxy. It weighs 2.3 lbs.

Inaccurate

I did review how the TL is made, and I am comfortable with leaving my front bumper off. The lack of a front bumper might hamper safety to a small degree. But, think about it... how much protection is that bumper during a 60 MPH frontal collision ? The bulk of the protection comes from the design of the car body (pic below) and the aluminum front cradle. I am convinced (for my own sake) that the TL bumper is primarily a "5 MPH" bumper.





Did you know that the government requires auto makers to have "5 MPH" bumpers on cars ? This means that the car must survive a 5 MPH crash without exceeding a certain dollar value of damage.

Here is some info, brought to you via



SOURCE: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/proble...per/Index.html

1) What is a bumper?

A bumper is a shield made of steel, aluminum, rubber, or plastic that is mounted on the front and rear of a passenger car. When a low speed collision occurs, the bumper system absorbs the shock to prevent or reduce damage to the car. Some bumpers use energy absorbers or brackets and others are made with a foam cushioning material.

2) What is the purpose of bumpers?

The car bumper is designed to prevent or reduce physical damage to the front and rear ends of passenger motor vehicles in low-speed collisions. Automobile bumpers are not typically designed to be structural components that would significantly contribute to vehicle crashworthiness or occupant protection during front or rear collisions. It is not a safety feature intended to prevent or mitigate injury severity to occupants in the passenger cars. Bumpers are designed to protect the hood, trunk, grille, fuel, exhaust and cooling system as well as safety related equipment such as parking lights, headlamps and taillights in low speed collisions.

3) What are the Federal regulations for bumpers?

49 CFR Part 581, "The bumper standard," prescribes performance requirements for passenger cars in low-speed front and rear collisions. It applies to front and rear bumpers on passenger cars to prevent the damage to the car body and safety related equipment at barrier impact speeds of 2½ mph across the full width and 1½ mph on the corners.

This is equivalent to a 5 mph crash into a parked vehicle of the same weight. The standard requires protection in the region 16 to 20 inches above the road surface, and the manufacturer can provide the protection by any means it wants. For example, some vehicles do not have a solid bumper across the vehicle, but meet the standard by strategically placed bumper guards and corner guards.

4) Are all vehicle classes required to meet the Federal bumper standard?

No. The Federal bumper standard does not apply to vehicles other than passenger cars (i.e., sport utility vehicles (SUVs), minivans, or pickups trucks). The agency has chosen not to regulate bumper performance or elevation for these vehicle classes because of the potential compromise to the vehicle utility in operating on loading ramps and off road situations.

Inaccurate

Here a some pics of my '06 TL





















To answer the question "why". This is why.



Here is an comparison between the TL Diet and the advertised HP gains of the S/C.



Wow... sorta looks like the TL Diet is equivalent to TWO superchargers !!!


EQUIVALENT HP INCREASE
------------------------------------
(3580 lbs / 2863 lbs) x 258 hp = 323 HP (equivalent output)
323 hp - 258 hp = 65 HP (equivalent increase)

Note: This is not just a peak hp increase. This is
a 25.0% increase across entire rpm range
for both the HP and TORQUE power curves.




-------- The TL Diet: Woo Hoo, What a Ride !!! --------

chewi

WOW.... thats some extensive stripping work.

the only other thing i can think for you to take off are the door panels. maybe a custom CF hood and Trunk.

ButI think leaving the carpets, panel, radio, centre console would be best for your daily driver =)

totaledTL

Seems like you need another car for that, one you could strip everything out of- not a luxury 4 dr. sport sedan-

Never Summer

^Considering you can pick up TL's for $4k-$5k it wouldn't be hard to get one to use as a track car and gut the entire thing.

fsttyms1

That bumper brace helps tie every thing in and distribute forces across the whole front, not just designed for "5mph" safety.

totaledTL

I just cannot imagine driving around without the bumper - on the congested highways everywhere-

Inaccurate

I disagree. I am very mechanically inclined and I was aware of this potential bracing that the bumper might had been adding. However, upon further thinking and real life experience with it removed, it does not provide any bracing imho. If you look at how the bumper is bolted onto the body, you can see that the mounting can not provide any meaningful bracing (leverage). I propose that the weight reduction of the removed bumpers added more rigidness to the car from the less stress of supporting that weight.

fsttyms1

4 years in auto body has taught me otherwise. Ever look at the little V cuts and wrinkles in a frame/hood.... They look insignificant but they serve a big purpose. That brace no matter how mechanically inclined you are DOES serve a purpose . at "real life experience" with it removed. What do you expect it to do with the car NOT in an impact?

Inaccurate

The counter argument must therefore be true too. Perhaps drivers should weld some more metal plates around their cars for the added safety and frame stiffness.

right back at ya

Inaccurate

Forgot to clarify that misunderstanding. I meant that my driving experience with the bumpers removed did not show any reduction in frame stiffness with the bumpers removed. On the contrary, the car was much easier to toss into turns and more nimble and precise in curves.