reese8789

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I have a 2002 base tl and im planing on swapping out my blown j32a1 motor for a j32a2 type s motor. Can anybody tell me if I can use the base tl wiring harness on the type s motor?Also what else would I have to change besides motor ,tranny and ECU?Please help

Rajca

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u cannot use ur old harness. type s has imrc, vsa instead of the tl-p's traction control.
u can use ur trans, unless its the 4spd one.
i have an engine bay harness from an 03 cl type s, its the engine and trans harness.

reese8789

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So can you tell me what exactly has to be done to do this swap.

Rajca

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just search. easiest thing to do is try to find a wrecked tl/cl front clip at a junk yard. that way u have everything u need plus some. but the most important parts u need
type s engine, engine bay harness, dash harness (i thing so), ecu, 5spd trans if u have the 4spd auto, vsa, and the rest depends on what the engine comes with.

friesm2000

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a tl/cl type-s front clip and not a preminum one

DC3328

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i did this, but in a 2000.

all you need is engine harness, ecu, gauge cluster (might be optional but i got it)

with that you wont have VSA. you'll need one of the engine bay harnesses and maybe some more stuff but i went without it so im not sure

good luck!

DC3328

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are you going 6 speed? if not you dont need a different trans

Rajca

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^but we dont know if he had teh 4spd or 5spd trans.
i have a harness i can sell u.

DC3328

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^he said he has a 2002. 4 speeds were only 99

Rajca

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damn. missed that. my bad. u can keep ur 5spd trans, unless its on the way out. then just do the 6spd swap with type s engine.

thinhthan

i put a 00 engine into my 99. i used the 4 speed tranny on it

Rajca

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^but u also used old 99 harness and ecu. right?
as long as u got all the parts u can put anything in anywhere (no homo).

silver3.2tl

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i say go 3.5

friesm2000

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was that for me


but yeah you can pretty much put any motor into any car you want, it is just a matter of how much time and money you got

DaveS221

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hahahahaha tru tru

reese8789

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Hey dc3328 in this post you said I may need some more stuff to do this swap but you said you didnt use it and went without it.so my questin is what did you go with/without and what did you do if you went without?

DC3328

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i went without VSA

its an extra throttle body infront of the regular one, i didnt go about finding what i needed to make it work. the only thing you'll have is an annoying light on your gauge cluster

so to recap, all i needed was engine harness, ecu, gauge cluster (this one is a maybe as well but they look nicer)

plug and play type s ftw

reese8789

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alright cool man appreciate it.

fsttyms1

You would need a lot to get vsa to work. I wouldnt even try.

And can i give you a tip...... Pull out the light bulb in the VSA spot

DC3328

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rolling your eyes?

i know just havent done it

friesm2000

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electrical tape works too , but yes that would be the more elegent way to do it though

reese8789

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aye my bad dc3328 I meant

thinhthan

so since the vsa dont work the traction will still work right?

DC3328

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^ if you mean tcs, no

thinhthan

so tcs wont work ether? that would suck since i do live in colorado

DC3328

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if you start spinning let off the gas

abs still works

friesm2000

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he's gotta drive in the snow, unlike someone , so traction control really helps then (or a LSD would be a godsend)

Rajca

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i drive my cl in the snow. bit to get used too but i start out in 2nd and its all good

friesm2000

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you also have a lsd too though


but for a DD it makes it much easier for driving though

assclown

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yeah, i'm going to miss TCS, i have a hill on my street right as you get out of the driveway and when it got really icy, i'd see my tcs light flashing away but i was able to still get up the hill

friesm2000

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but the lsd will help spin both tires instead of the one tire wounders that we get with the autos

fsttyms1

Are you kidding me.. the TCS in the TL is the biggest waste of weight in the car and hinders traction more than it helps. If you live n a snow climate you should be running snow tires (especially in Colorado)

friesm2000

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SS brakelines does wounder for it too, with faster response times
and as said i would love a LSD for the auto, but no one gets one, so we only got TCS/VSA, which is still going to be better then nothing
also for snow tires here, not really needed (especially if you stay in metro Denver a lot), but now if you live up in the mountains, or go up there often (skiing/snowboarding), that is a whole different topic

Rajca

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all comes down to the driver. i drive my tl with vsa off. i love having control of the car.

fsttyms1

I dont live in the mountains either, If there is a chance fore more than 1 or 2 inches of snow on the road snow tires should be used (i wish it were actually a law that they were mandatory like in some places in europe) Either way i would get stuck easier with TCS than without it. I also found it pointless to only go up to 20 mph.

friesm2000

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we also don't get as much snow as you think as we do in metro Denver, you are probably thinking of the mountains more so, which get a lot more then us down here (so the reason for a whole different topic thing)

also the other thing is that down here, the snow is normally melted off the roads the next day (mainly the plowed roads, not back streets, but even then the back streets melt quite fast as long as they are not shaded)

and i think even having just good all seasons tires on every car would help reduce accidents and such, hell you can go through "emissions" with bald tires if you wanted, even during the winter,(i've gone through emissions before with a bad master cylinder, so hardly any brakes, it went out like a mile or two before i got to the test center, but it did get fixed right after though)
other then that we have no state inspections here, and for the emissions, all they are really worried about are the pollutants/emissions, nothing else

fsttyms1

And this is the misconception people have about snow tires. Snow tires aren't so much about how much snow you can go thru, But Its the Braking and cornering that is most important. We have the same road conditions here. Roads are usually cleared same day or next. But its the DURING that people need the tires. All seasons can not hold a candle compared to dedicated snows.

Very good read.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...mparison_tests

friesm2000

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don't get me wrong snow tires will get you through allot more then all seasons, and studded ones through ice, but i think it is kinda hard for people to justify a second set of tires (let alone storing them, but i know where our tires are done, they offer tire storage for a price though [i don't know the amount though]), it's hard enough to just sell them new tires in the first place (allot of times it has to be completely bald, not just the wear bars missing)
also people already have enough complainants about the tire noise on all seasons, so try winter tires then

also studs are horrible for the roads themselves, and we already got shitty enough roads here (and thin when compared to say Utah's, you can actually hear a difference from the tire drown/noise when you cross state borders [ours roads are much higher pitched for noise wise)
and you should see the state highway that i drive on to work everyday, some massive tires ruts, hard to tell, but i would say a good 1" or so deep, and this is not some highway in the boonies either, it's 4 lanes total, with it being the main highway into town from denver (basically if you are coming anywhere from near denver you travel on that highway)

Rajca

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so. replacing a car or getting ur car fixed is cheaper then getting winter tires and swapping them out during winter?

friesm2000

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insurance , but you know what i mean, most people won't spring for them