...do you add when changing catback and headers ?
Thanks,

 

like mid 30's to the crank then you have to factor in tranny loss.

 

What are you smoking? Comptech dynocharts show a MAX of 17.9 hp at 6,750 rpm.

 

"to the crank"

 

thanks stRodda

 

i gained 40 whp with, intake/header/exhaust/pullies/spacers..headers were atleast 20 of that..get headers and you will be smiling when the right pedal is down

 

i want me some comptech headers.. sigh

 

If you don't mind a little bit of resonance and spending $20 more on gaskets, you could go with DC Sports. So far the headers are holding great for me.

Just a thought.

 

Me too Leo. I hear that XS is an exact copy of Comptech... but I'm always so skeptical of buying copies...

 

And what dyno chart shows header hp gains "to the crank"? Answer: None. To the crank figures are worthless.

 

how about the dyno done by the manufature claiming the type-s gets 260 then when people dyno there car on a wheel dyno its showing about 200+. i know quite a few people that have dyno'ed there engine through the crank but that is only when they are putting a new engine in.

and how are they pointless. they show you how much power is being put out through the engine.

 

For the TL-P you're looking at a 18whp gain. For the TL-S you're looking at a 32whp gain.

 

Manufactures dyno crank #s only because it looks better to the consumer. What would you rather see. the TL rated at 260 or 200????

Any thing not dynoed on the car at the wheels is pointless. I want to know how much its actually helping me.

 

IMO, Headers/Exhaust/Intake/Etc... If your just going to do those mods, is a huge waste of money because it doesn't make much of a difference, except for sounding fast... And there is a BIG difference from sounding fast and going fast

Don't you love it when you have a rice rocket with a Huge exhaust that sounds like a damn airplane do a "RICEBOY FLYBY in S L O W M O T I O N"

 

it is to look good for the consumer. but its still not pointless. the wheel power is a better rating i agree but when you are looking at engines you look at the power of the engine. not what it puts to the wheel. when you did your tl-p to tl-s its because the engine is shown to produce more power. if your comparing 2 or more engines to install in your car you dont install all the engines in your car to compare them you put them on a crank dyno to find out what one fits your needs.
im just being the devils advocate.
i still would go with the WHP. it is much more useful to the average performace enthusiest.

 

Dude what are you talking about, did you not read this?

32 WHP gain is a crap load.

Heck, even 18 WHP for a regular 2nd Gen TL is respectable.

The TL-S doesn't have some Riceboy 4 banger that gets like 5 HP to the crank from headers, we get a whopping 25HP to the WHEELS according to comptech, and around 20 (which is peak) according to many who've dynoed with headers.... in fact.. oh looky here, someone actually posted their results in this thread?

And before you say that type-s09 is full of hot air, just know StRodda has recently posted his charts and he had was intake/exhaust/headers. He had around 227 WHP. So the extra Horsies he's getting could easily be made up from the spacers and pulleys.

"Doesn't make much of a difference... only makes it sound fast?" It's a known fact that Headers makes a pretty big improvement. And with a High flow, cat it's very possible to get around 10 HP to the wheels.

I dunno. But 32 HP to the wheels is uh.. well.. a shitload.
Even 18 HP to the wheels is a shit load from these two mods.

232 WHP significantly faster than 200 WHP

218 WHP definitely faster than 200 WHP.

And you can bet My TL-S with I/H/P/E will outrun a stock TL-S. And that a TL-S with headers + High flow cat will outrun a stock TL-S.

 

Just My Opinion from Experience...

 

When i did the conversion i put the type-s motor in to make things easier and to have more (cheap, 800 bucks for the added power was teh best bang for buck out there) power. Im smart enough to know that i dont care about crank #s. They mean NOTHING if its not getting to the ground. Im making more power than the type-s auto simply because of the manual trans.

Sure if i was building a race car and knew the loss thru the trans would be the same on all motors and was looking for the strongest motor in the bunch on the dyno would be one thing. But we arent comparing which motor makes more hp to stick in. We are comparing parts, and what they make.(example) Sure, it may make 32 hp on the crank dyno, but it only makes 10 at the wheels. I would rather know what its making at the wheels than what its making on a engine dyno. It going to show me more real world what i should expect.

And My I would MUCH rather the manufacturer dynoed the car on a chassis dyno and showed us what its making to the wheels than a useless engine dyno (the TL is a perfect example of what the motor is rated at and how much less its actually putting to the ground)

 

Same here

 

Are you saying you bought a type-s engine and swapped it, too, for only $800?

 

When i did the 6 speed conversion, and that cost close to 6k

 

yeah, but how was the engine swap only $800? I'd think a type-S engine would cost more

 

Even though I don't have either headers or exhaust on my TL, I wanted to share how much it helped my Camaro when I did it way back when - and the results.

This is an extreme example of how much a factory exhaust can choke an engine:

When I bought my 84 Camaro it had the lower hp 305 in it (rated at 150hp); which was essentially exactly the same motor as the HO version (rated at 190hp); but GM chose to offer the lower hp rating by restricting the intake, timing, and exhaust. Changing the intake to the HO one was worth 10hp, upgrading the timing (through an external module) was worth another 20hp; so it was up to 180hp right there.

But when I swapped out the stock exhaust (single 2.25") to a aftermarket 3" one (with headers and 3" cat con); the car came alive. The car picked up 40hp and about the same amount of TQ all through the power band. When I ran the car at the track, the performance it gave was equivalent to 220 to 225hp. Acceleration in all gears was drastically improved and top speed went up by almost 20mph.

Like I said, that is an extreme case - 40hp gain.

But on a mostly optimized car with a smaller motor like the TL, the gains are much less - limited more to higher RPM hp than power all over. Still, adding 15 to 25hp on a stock 3.2L motor by just adding headers is a very good imporvement - one that is worth it considering how much the factory optimized the TL from the factory.

 

By searching around. They arent that expensive from a salvage yard with low miles

 

there are no TL's P or Type s at any junk yards that i can find. i have called all over. i have even called the honda acura junkyard and they didnt have one. its starting to get annoying.
all i want is a stering wheel mine got scratched up in an accident.

 

You try this?? http://www.car-part.com/index.htm

 

good site. the closest one to me is arlington 74 miles away. ehh i can wait the scuff isnt that bad.

i can get a whole new trunk. for the price i got to get it repainted for a few scratches.
how does that work

 

Well yea, you can get a new trunk, but then it still has to be painted to match

 

its painted the same color its just has slightly different history so it prob has more exposure to sunlight. and the other elements.