Well, I bought my TL just a few weeks ago, so I'm still in my honeymoon period. But let's be honest... Nothing's perfect.

Here's your place to vent. What are your top 5 things you HATE about your TL? Here's mine:

5. Slight squeek in my passenger door.

4. Lumbar non-support.

3. Standard wheels.

2. Body roll.

1. Automatic shifting while in "manual" mode.

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2001 3.2 TL w/Nav
White Diamond Pearl
Alpine CD Changer
Burlwood Shift Knob
Escort Passport 8500
15 Year Financing at 22%

 

I have a 99TL:

5. Squeaks on the moon/sunroof

4. Lumbar non-support

3. Diffuser in HID lights

2. 6-Disc CD player/Memory seats

1. NO FOGLIGHTS!!!!!

 

19 months/ 15000 miles and counting

5. squeaks but were all fixed. rides really sweet even with eibach springs

4. large profile tires

3. stock tread

2. diffuser in headlight

1. i kinda wished i had gotten the 400 hp rwd option.

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Some Said, "TL Type S," Soon They Will Say, "Wannabe TL-S." Navi, Side Cuts, Tint All Around, Interior Footwell Lighting, Eibach ProKit, PIAA 1700x Fogs custom cut into side holes, Inspire Tails, 17" Type-S Rims with 215/45/17 Bridgestone Potenza RE730's, Visor, Wood Shifter, Comptech Sways making me ride on rails...

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...026&Auth=false

 

1.) No Fogs.

2.) Piece of crap simulated alum. shift gate

3.) Thin Paint.

4.) The fact I can't afford another TL-S.

5.) The fact I can't afford the MDX.

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2000 TL - Laguna Green, Navi, Rear Spoiler. PIAA Hyperwhite HB's. 17" CL-S wheels. Soon to have Comptech Suspension, Sways & Axle back Exhaust.

 

1. No Fogs (Dammit)

2. Squeeky seat(s)

3. Nosedive (Need Comptech springs and sways)

4. Sunroof rattle

5. No supercharger (yet)

Still love the car, though.

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guys take your car to the dealer they will fix the sunroof by "lubricating" it. i thought it was a bs wya to solve a very annoying problem but it worked. over 6 mos. and no squeaks!!

1. auto shift in ss mode.

2. ugly and hard to clean wheels.

3. thin paint.

3. lack of lumbar.

4. no fogs.

5. no good place on windsheild to hide my V1.

But after 18,000+ miles stil a fun f****in' car.



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2000 TL, no Nav, no mods...yet

 

Well, let's see...

1. dealer service sucks

2. Eninge Check Light... The ECU computer issue

3. Seat squeek

4. Wind noise from driver's door seal

5. auto-shift between 1-2 in SS mode

 

1. The rear view mirror is huge and as a tall guy, the mirror obstructs my vision quite a bit when looking right.

2. The stock tires, need I say more.

3. The seats, while the leather is great, I find myself adjusting my seats constantly.

4. No fogs, original, I know

5. And, does the lumbar support lever do anything?

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2001 Satin Silver TL w/ Navigation and Factory Underbody Kit. Comptech Headers, Exhaust, Springs, Sways, Inspire Tails and Short Ram Air Intake.

 

i have a 99tl...

only problem i have had and hate.....


the god forsaken TTTTTTTRRRRRRRRAAAAAANNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYY.....

"tranny"

did i mention the tranny..... i hate it..

acura better do something with it on the new tl-s...

ar

 

Haven't had my year-old WDP back to the dealer for anything except oil changes. I love the car, but if I had any gripes it would be (not necessarily in order): 1) Paint too thin - this car deserves better. 2) Would really like a trip computer-compass - I miss the one from my old car. 3) Better gripping tires - the Michelins are too much of a compromise. 4) Manual shift from first to second when using SS. 5) Full leather interior instead of just the seating surfaces. FWIW.

 

To tell you the truth those little annoyances that you mentioned don't bother me anymore... although all are valid and true...
To say more I am a little dissappointed in the car... don't get me wrong I like the car but it just doesn't have a character... too bland... i don't get excited by it...

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Just my 2 cents...

 

Y2K TL 11000miles

1. Nosedive

2. No foglight

3. Auto shift in ss mode (1-2)

4. Stock tires

5. Memory Seats

Still love it.

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2000 3.2TL Firepepper red w/o nav
stock spoiler
Bosch 4+ platinum spark plug
25% Tint/Mud guards/
acura-tl.com sticker at front windshield

 

Although no car is petrfect, I don't think I can muster 5 things I dislike about the car. My biggest gripe (and it's a pretty small issue) is that I'd like a compass in the rearview mirror like other manufacturers offer. That'd probably be a $5 mod that would enroach on $2000 NAVI sales, though... haha

At any rate, I hear a lot of people complaining about the "thin paint" and the 1-2 shift while in SS mode. For them I offer this:

Does anyone have any proof (other than reading sales brochures in 99 which state an x-coat, y-bake paint process and the 2000+ which states a lower number of coats/bakes) that the paint is inferior? I've had my 2000 WDP TL for 1 year/12,200 miles and have never waxed it. All it takes is a wash/dry and the finish is glass smooth and the luster is very deep and rich. There are no obvious defects or blemishes in the finish. Am I just a lucky one or do others really have complaints with the paint (again, outside of what you've READ)?

On the tranny: Aside from autocrossing (which I wouldn't do in a family/near luxury sedan anyway), when do you find that you need the transmission not to upshift from first to second while in SS? Granted, I can see it ticking off some people who feel that it's taking away the little bit of extra control that the SS is supposed to afford them, but what's the big deal? I'd wager to say that I drive in the upper echelon of aggressiveness versus anyone on the board (my previous car was a ~375 horsepower turbocharged GS-R) and I still don't find much use for the SS, other than manually upshifting the car to 5th when it's slightly below the threshhold of 50 MPH or so when it does it on its own. To me the SS is somewhere between gimmicky and a fun toy. It's nice that they threw it in, but no amount of pseudo-manual control with an automatic is going to replicate the control and direct feel of a good manual gearbox. Without trying to sound like I'm coughing up excuses for Acura, perhaps they put the 1-2 auto-shift feature in because people were incessantly slamming against the rev limiter in first gear in the 99 model. Whatever the reason, it's no big deal to me and certainly not a gripe.

I'm not really disappointed by the lack of foglights either. Don't get me wrong, the black voids in the front bumper don't exactly do it for me, but I don't find myself looking for better illumination at night or in storms. The TL's HIDs represent the best headlights I've ever owned.

Sorry for the long post... and If my comments offended anyone, please know that was not my intention. I'd just like some clarification on the paint issue -- if for nothing more than to let me know what to expect as far as it holding up is concerned.

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2000 WDP 3.2TL non-NAV

 

My reply to RAdams comment:

I didn't read anything from the sales brochure to conclude the poor job by Acura or Honda or whichever people refers to but only thru personal living experience. Before the TL, I own a '90 Legend and still does and after all these (11) years I haven't got any major nicks on it yet. But the TL on the other hand is in total opposite. Don't get me wrong the TL is a great car and with whole lot of characters but the paint job is just too poor comparing my Legend. Also, you don't experience the winter weather like many other fellow TL owners here in the Northern states and Canada.

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Maybe not the things I hate but more like wish it had...

1 - Auto dimming side mirrors.

2 - Wood shift knob standard, or at least emboss the Acura symbol on the leather one.

3 - 17" wheels standard

4 - Fogs as an Accessory

5 - Memory seats!!

 

Well many of my complaints I have more to do with my personal taste then the car itself but here they are anyway:

1. No Foglights

2. A little larger then I need at this point in my life.

3. No memory seats.

4. Woodtrim (I wish they offered brushed aluminum or even though now one else seems to like it the black colored woodtrim)

5. Too many of them on the road.

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99 Silver TL, Navi, Foglights, Gutter Guard Grill

 

1. No heated seats in the rear, no heated passenger back. Makes passengers feel less pampered.

2. VINYL F*UCKING LEATHER

3. Honda decals on front side windows. WTF is that about? Do you see Lexus with Toyota decals on it?

4. Fake foglight holes.

5. No wood wheel option. No fogs. No auto dimming side mirrors. No fold down rear seats.

I love my TL though.

 

1. Every thing rattles.

2. Wish rear fenders flared out a little more.

3. Body roll.

4. Weight.

5. Dash lighting. Wish it was brigher like the lexus or Blue like the Volks Wagons.

I now know why the 3-Series costs more. But I regret nothing.

 

You guys crack me up. This car does not need fog lights! You just think they look cool, right? Its a mystery to me that you all are so impressed by fog lights in the first place. Why not put the money you save in the bank and be thankful Acura put HIDs in the TL?

1. Narrow, cheap seats that don't compare to either of my previous Legends.

2. The fact that you guys complain about not being free to sport-shift from first to second, when that simply makes things easier without really sacrificing much of anything.

3. Skinny factory tires (which I replaced with CL-S wheels/tires!!!)

4. Pseudo-leather seats (which I didn't even notice 'til after I bought the car, dammit.)

5. Front license plate holes drilled into front bumper by my dealer before giving me the car (which they have agreed to patch and paint in the coming weeks, yes!!).

 

2 things only.

1. The creaky noise in the cabin.
2. The sh*&&y rims!!!!!!

Other than that, I'm not complaining.

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00 Acura, TL Black w/ Navi.
Chorme Oakland Raiders chrome license plate frame

 

Great car but:
1. Sound system needs more clarity and depth(check out Bose system in the maxima/I30
2. No all speed traction control..only low speed (undr 18mph)
3. NO fold down rear seats
4. Cheap dials and lights on the dash
5. Honda like front

 

1. No heated seats in the rear, no heated passenger back. Makes passengers feel less pampered.
2. VINYL F*UCKING LEATHER

3. Honda decals on front side windows. WTF is that about? Do you see Lexus with Toyota decals on it?

4. Fake foglight holes.

5. No wood wheel option. No fogs. No auto dimming side mirrors. No fold down rear seats.

I love my TL though.


Lexus does say Toyota on the windows.


1. No (VSA) system
2. No Fogs
3. No Memory Seats
4. plastic Wood trim
5. No S type offered 6 months ago

Its still the best car in its price range!!!

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00TL Gold Nav&Wing
91 Honda Lawnmower with custom Beer holder.

 

1. Rattles Everywhere! (drivers door, sunroof, dash, SUBWOOFER PANEL!!!!!, leather squeaks everywhere, my roof panel is starting to rattle??
2. Transmission could be a little smoother especially when you put it in R from D, that loud click is annoying.
3. No fogs are going to be available.
4. A lot of times, when I start my car and its warm, the engine idles at 4-500 rpms and the car shakes until i give it some gas.
5. Body roll.

 

5) really plain lookin dash

4) ugly POS rims

3) super thin paint

2) wide seats made for spam loving drivers so i slide across the seat while doing high speed turns

1) NO FOGLIGHTS!! damn damn damn

 

Are you serious? Thats crap!

 

nothing wrong with that. im not sure about now, but on some of the models on the legends, you can find honda prints on there. but its all good, its part of the same family.

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'01 Lexus IS300
'91 Acura NSX
'95 Nissan Maxima

 

Well, I'm pleased, very pleased with my 2001 so far, so the only things that I wish I could change would be:

1. In Dash 6 Disc Changer (wish it was standard).

2. Fogs (wish someone would develop something for that opening, it would be sweet!)

 

1. No Fog lights
2. No Memory Seats
3. Cheap Paint Job
4. Squeaky sounds (too many to be listed)
5. Need bigger Rims (17")

 

1. Fuel Economy
2. Assembly quality- too many squeaks.
3. Noise
4. Stock Tire is disaster at best.
5. Materials- My mother in-law has just killed the center console. The tab has broke off and console can't be closed anymore.

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2000-Laguna Gree TL
2001-Solar Yellow IS300
2001-Titanium Silver 530i

 

I agree with tea elle on the foglight thing: I think a lot of people just want them because they think they look cool.

Also, who CARES if the windows say Honda on them? It IS a Honda. Just like an LS430 is a Toyota. More of the world knows these cars as Hondas and Toyotas than Acuras and Lexuses. If that makes you feel special then their respective marketing departments have done their jobs!

If that statement bothers you, go check your VIN decal on the door jamb. I guarantee it won't tell you your Acura was manufactured by American ACURA Manufacturing.

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2000 WDP 3.2TL non-NAV

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<font size=5>I</font> care that the window says Honda. Its not even a sticker I can peel off.

 

Not to beat a dead horse -- but why does that bother you? You know it's made by Honda. Everyone knows it's made by Honda.

If it bothers you that your window says Honda on it just like a Civic, just remember that Lexus windows say Toyota on them -- just like an Echo.

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2000 WDP 3.2TL non-NAV

 

I use to get some squeaks, minor issues, etc. I got all of them fixed and I must say I think my TL drives smoother than my 540 now. I like the steering feel of the TL better but the 540 handels better. Don't get me wrong, the 540 feels more solid and heavier but the TL now with all my mods off, stock vs. stock I'd give the edge to the TL.

 

1. Headroom (need a little more) I'm 5"11"
2. Rear window defrost slowly. Wish it had a wiper in the back or something
3. Winshield wiper leaves a dirty mark
4. poor gas mileage
5. Fog lights.

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2001 3.2TL with Nav
Satin Silver Metallic
Factory Rear Wing Spoiler