Anybody ever raced BMW M3 (E36) with your TL-S upgraded to Comptech header, exhaust, and AEM CAI????

 

i suppose this is the previous generation m3 (i thinkthe new one is e39?). if so yeah, couple of members have raced them before. from my memory the races were all close, though our cars are able to pull ahead a bit, at most a car length.

 

for real??? so the tls is faster than an older model m3???

 

well the previous generation m3 only has 240 hp. our cars are heavier, but we have more hp and also more torque i believe. it's not really hard to believe our cars can beat them

my friend has a 1997 m3 and i always beat him.

there is definitely an old thread about this but i can't find it (damn search engine needs at least 3 chars.....) i will try to find it and post it here.

 

here you go guys.

http://www.acura-tl.com/forum/showth...ghlight=length

 

E46 is the new...shhhhhh before the bmw police hear you.there's no way any M3 can be beaten by any car...the great and powerfull oz has spoken

 

I'll be tracking my TL's here next year. I am a member of our local BMW club in Portland and will be joining them again a few times. In the past, I spanked em pretty good in my S2K (pulled lap times the same as my boss in his 2000 M5), I dont expect to do so well in my TLs but I'll let people know. I'll have 18" rims and Comptec springs on in the comming weeks to prepare for next year. I suspect this will help but after 2K iles, I can already tell the TLs will have problems due to FWD.

 

umm we are talking about the e36 not e46.... of course there aren't many cars that can really beat the e46 m3, but the e36 m3 isn't that much of a glory anymore.

i am not saying they are slow, but there are quite a few cars that are able to beat them already.

 

I think the old M3 is still faster and handles better too.

 

Nope, the new gen is E46!

 

I have a stock TL-S, beat one also, was a good stick driver, close at first, then, buh-bye. This was from a roll. Wish I knew the TL-S was such a Heavy SOB beforehand, still love it though. Thought it was right under 3500Lbs.

 

You guys crack me up...

I have been in an E36 M3 many times and there is no contest. If the M3 is a manual (which most are) and the driver is decent, the M3 will win every time. A close friend of mine owns a TLS as well, and can attest to this fact. I have driven his TLS many times as well, and there truly is no contest.

 

blah blah blah...m3 this and m3 that...he asked if our cars with the H/I could take an M3...and yes, short of a professional driver..your E36 M3 is no longe king of the hill....still a nice car tho...

 

Although I wouldn't ever compare the two cars... the M3 is certainly the more sporting of the two. Better brakes, better handling, lighter and RWD.

That having been said, two weekends ago I drove my buddy's mom's 1998 M3 4-door auto for about half an hour (was taking it from a shop to his house).. and that thing is not fast at all... it's peppy at best... a TL-S would have no problem walking it in a straight line.

 

a new 330 is just as fast as a TLs, yet has 15 less hp and less torque than a last gen M3, but the TLs will soundly beat it ??!!

 

that's interesting, i have been in both the old gen m3 and the new 330i sport, the 330i just feels so much faster and smoother for whatever reason, i don't know why either.

but after being in my friend's m3, i really think his car is slow...... not fast at all not to mention the noise....

in terms of handling no doubt the old gen m3 is much better. our car is long... bith wtih new springs and sways our cars handle much better and much closer to bimmer i would say.

and from my experience, when me and my friend raced our cars, it was pretty close at the beginning. in fact his car was a bit ahead. but before 60 i was able to catch up already. before 80 he was at my pessenger seat door, and at 100 he's at my back wheels.

 

TedC, uhm...yea. Its not only about power. The new 3.3 is a better engine than the old M3 I think, and seems to have better top end.

Anyhow, we can argue all we want, the simple fact is many of us have beat them, stick and of course auto. To say ALL these TL-S wins are because all the BMW dirvers were bad in the many examples of TL victory, is...welll........stupid!

Is the BMW more of a sports car, yes. End of story.

 

typeSmaximum, umh...yeah, it is about power, especially when you consider an auto TL/TLs vs. an auto M3, there is no skill involved mashing your foot on the gas pedal in a straightline. Now this post started with an upgraded TLs vs. a stock E36 M3 correct ? If that is the case then yes, the TL/TLs has a great chance, but stock to stock, I'm pretty positive the M3 would win almost every time, as it's 0-60 is sub-six (5.8) and 1/4 mile low 14's. I've owned one (traded for my GS430) and now my wife has a 330 (with the slightly tuned M engine), but the TL/TLs would keep it close. Just my .02

 

I agree, however, the M3 autos are a dog. Not that bursty off the line IMO. The manual is quite peppy. A TLS with I/H/E should be a good damn race! We'll never know til someone goes out and finds out right?

 

Well I have beat one that was not an auto, so have others, and my car is stock. I guess all these BMW drivers are bad, oh well...doesn't say much for Bimmer drivers than according to you as the e36 is ALWAYS faster.

As far as power, I was just saying there are a lot of other factors in making a car fast or slow not just HP or Tq, and that the new 330 series has a better overall engine than the old M3, my opinion. It was a general comment, there are many lower power cars that beat higher power cars for all types of reasons that I'm sure I don't have to provide examples and details on. I never said you needed skill to drive an auto car, however if you want best performance in most auto cars, your don't just mash it FYI. Try just mashing an auto vette for example. Even the TL-s doesn't get best times just mashing it, at least not with the stock tires.

The M3 is a better performance car, I've just noted that the TL-s doesn't always lose, and many have in fact beat them, not just me. You can also consider its an aging car, and not everyone you might run is in tip top shape. Thats another factor. Just stating you have a good chance and its not that slim as you may think. Under perfect conditions for both cars, yes I'm sure the road & track drivers will always get a better time with the M.

A non controlled race is hardly perfect.

 

Maybe its been asked before, but what do you mean by having 2 S2000s retired. By this do you mean you have a great big garage with these stored in it. If so you are one lucky SOB.

BTW, I am 6ft 4" and have tried to sit in one of these, and there is no hope in hell I can fit.

 

typeSmaximum, i am with ya, i have a totally stock TLS and i beat my friend too. guess he must be a very bad driver as well...

 

The point I'm making is, if you have an auto M3 (0-60--5.9) and an auto (not using SS btw, 0-60--6.2 to 6.6) you will not WALK on the M3, as it is lighter with more torque and more aggressive gearing, so 0-60 should be very,very close.

 

Put an older M3 and a TLs on the track and the M3 will spank our Tl's. Strait line performance is not a real indicator of a true cars performance which predominates American thought.

 

Just for the record, I'd have to agree w/ PJonkheer1:

My track time @ Wisconsin Dragaway (best): 15.2 @ 91.0 mph

My buddies '98 M3 5-spd: 14.6 @ XX.X mph

Same track, he had worse conditions (warmer, humid) .. M3 takes all.

My buddies CL-S w/ every mod (headers/intake/exhaust,V-AFC)

Best of 14.7 @ 9X.X mph ..

No manual M3 will lose to a TL-S .. modded or stock.. for those of you who in a TL-S who happened to get a good jump on a piss poor M3 driver might have beat him to 80 or 90, but he'd take you past 100.

Good night.

 

The auto 4-door I drove left me completely unimpressed with its performance. If that car was capable of a sprint to 60 in 5.9 seconds, then my car can do it in 5.6... which we know isn't the case.

It all comes down to the transmission... a manual-equipped M3 is a totally different beast.

 

....wait 'till the 6-spd CL-S/TL-S arrives...

All you E36-haters (I happen to be an admirer) can start running w/ the M3 to 130+mph and probably beat it 1/2 the time. The TL-S/CL-S STILL won't handle nearly as well, so enjoy understeering into the turns w/ your 3500lb boat! (j/k).

->*<-

 

my friend has a 98 mercedez e430 and he smoked my friends m3........on the m3 he had dinan exhaust, intake, and chip.....on the benz it had the lorinser body kit, exhaust, and rims........if my friends benz was weighed down by that chrome and still beat him.......i doubt the hype given to the m3......and seeing that i raped that benz in my tl, im sure i could take the m3.


Aegean Blue TL Type S
AEM CAI
Neuspeed Strut Bar
Eibach Pro-Kit (2.2/1.8)

Next mod: 19" Axis Hagen's (Gun Metal) on Toyo's.
Comptech Exhaust and Headers.

 

You "raped" an E430 in your TL-S .. LOLOLOL!!!

Get a life

 

LOL!

C'mon maybe he did rape the E430...cuz the 430 was parked. And I'm sorry, my 540i gets a good run from a E430 on moving starts, and yes my 540i can rape a CLS/TLS. Don't take my word for it, ask NovawhiteTypeS, he owns a CLS and he was in the passenger seat when I romped on a Silver CLS.

 

I can vouch for this statement. I was going to work this morning when a MB E430 was tailing me the whole time. Right lane opens up and the MB cuts around me to make the pass. I downshift to 4th (realizing a little to slow that this MB meant business) got beside me and then I downshifted to 3rd. I floor it, but by the time the CAI was on, the E430 was already ahead of me and I cut if off and let the Benz go (he was literally flying and there was nooooo way to catch up). Funny as hell because he was only able to clear the car ahead of me because of the traffic, and it appeared that the driver didnt know where he was cuz he ended up cutting across all the lanes to exit on the next off ramp. Oh, and as I passed by, the driver ended up being a rich looking woman, who I doubt even realized I was trying to give her a run. I hate it when I'm all loud (CAI at WOT) and still loose.

 

LOL!!!

Let me get this straight...

We've got TLS's raping E430's...and TLS's beating out (E36) manual M3's on a consistent basis.

Somebody please pinch me so I can wake up and return to reality.

As I am a big fan of the TLS, I can still admit it's limitations.

 

But you forgot the important factor of that super CAI he has that must give him 100HP to the wheel.

 

Is an E430 really that fast? I though it weighed a lot more, and only has 15 more HP? Well at least the 2000 e430 is only 275HP? must have a lot of low end tq. or something? I'm not familiar with the speed of the e430. I was close to buying a used one once upon a time.

As far as the M3, I was only stating you will not loose every time to everyone out there, and if its an auto, you have even a greater chance. I didn't make up my win, and I'm sure most others didn't. The TL-s is not the fastest car I own. I don't have these pipe dreams

 

I think the majority of this thread was comparing the auto M3 to the TL-S. I sure as hell wouldn't race a manual M3.

 

Well, I guess the TL-S may be faster than the E430 and the M3,

after all, I did nearly edge out that Z06 the other day (it was on a flat bed being hauled off to the junkyard, but nevertheless, a win is a win...)

 

I drove a 98 E36 M3 for 39 months (leased). I leased it new. I bought the TL-Type S because we just had our 3rd and 4 th kids (twin girls) 8 months ago and I needed something more practical. easier to drive, and easier to get in and out of, but still maintain some semblance of "sport"...and in this economy I couldn't bring myself to step up to the M5.

While I truly enjoy my TL and all its comforts, the M3 blows doors on it...

 

I don't think anyone doubted the TLS's ability to take an auto M3 off the line, but overall that was the question.

It's not that the E430 is that fast, it's just a fact that a TLS will not be able to hang with it on the highway. We were commenting on "raped a E430" which we all know is NOT possible. Not saying that the dude didn't rape an E430, but if on a real race between the two NO WAY.

BTW, congrats on your twins! Can't wait for my kids to come along. We prepared ourselves already (damn like more than a year in advance). We bought the X5 simply for trying to start a family.

Peter, STOP IT!

 

congrats on the X5 (and kid(s?)...nice ride...can you believe that I couldn't even consider it cuz it is too small? went with the 2001 Suburban LT 4X4...and when we're loaded up, there ain't much room left xcept for someone real skinny to sit between the car seats in the way back...ha.

 

I think M3 is a nice car, but it's still fast, but not one of the fastest and sport coupe. TLS can handle M3 if it was 500lb lighter and lower the bar and springs. It can pretty much handles M3 and could be a M3 killer and TLs is least 16 inch longer base wheel, if TLS downsizes the base wheel, and TLS can be driven like NSX.. M3 is not comparable. Well, still M3 is little faster maybe .1 or .2 and .3 seconds, I don't think there's too much difference in speed. It tells TLS is just better car for passenger car. M3 can handles in cornering but not our TLS. My point is we should compare with our cars with GS400 or MB E-Class, they are much comparable and forget about 3 series, compare with 5 series and they are the competitors. But who said that 5 series runs under 6 seconds??????? that's just BS. Only problem with our cars are that TLS are not too luxury and not one of the prettiest car out there, but it is one of the best seller in the car market...