TL-s vs IS 300
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Originally posted by Turboara
the is300 is a nice little car, I checked them out personally and was close to getting one, a friend of mine did get one. At the end of the day though, I don't see where it fits. The tl-s hauls a$$, has lots of room and features and won't break the bank. The is300 is small, not particularly fast, imho an ugly interior, and questionable exterior styling - you either love it or hate. It has rwd, a plus, but if you plan on any winter driving on the sport rims/tires you'll be in trouble. If you don't get the 17" performance tires then it handles like a tl-s or worse. If it cost under 27K it be great, but for 35K, if my number 1 priority were a stick, sportiness and good handling I'd get a 330 hands down over an is300. If sportiness could take the back seat to a bit of room & comfort get the TL.
And if you know the is300 is slow & plan to get a turbo or supercharger, save yourself the hassle and get a gs400, a car that has it all.
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the is300 is a nice little car, I checked them out personally and was close to getting one, a friend of mine did get one. At the end of the day though, I don't see where it fits. The tl-s hauls a$$, has lots of room and features and won't break the bank. The is300 is small, not particularly fast, imho an ugly interior, and questionable exterior styling - you either love it or hate. It has rwd, a plus, but if you plan on any winter driving on the sport rims/tires you'll be in trouble. If you don't get the 17" performance tires then it handles like a tl-s or worse. If it cost under 27K it be great, but for 35K, if my number 1 priority were a stick, sportiness and good handling I'd get a 330 hands down over an is300. If sportiness could take the back seat to a bit of room & comfort get the TL.
And if you know the is300 is slow & plan to get a turbo or supercharger, save yourself the hassle and get a gs400, a car that has it all.
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but the handling of the is3 is good NOT all about the z rated tires. it has much less body roll, stiffer suspension than the tl, shorter wheel base, and a stupidly small turning circle. these stuff are what really kill the tl on handling. get the tls with a set of 225/45/17 performance tires and you will still lose to the is300 on curves.
for sure though, the 330i is a very nice car, but it cost like almost 8k more than the is300 too.... and umm.... nop, a turbocharged is will eat the stock gs430 alive. you can't compete 500hp on a car of this weight to a 300hp at crank car on the gs4 which is 3800lb.
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Originally posted by Shoofin'TL
Ehhem..It looks like Wilz and rominl have the portion of the Comparo covered, so I don't need to get into that..
This is where I step in.. I own both, a 99TL and an '03 IS300. I'm not biased in any way because I work for Lexus. Way back when the IS300 first was introduced, I went to a ride and drive that compared the IS to the BMW 3 and Audi A4. This was before I started working for Lexus. I was amazed at how much better the IS performed over the BMW and Audi. It's not so fast, then again, it's not slow. If you know how to drive it, you can pretty much compete against many cars on the road in a road race(but I in no way encourage that, OK?) I found the comparison to be a little uneven because the 3 series didn't have the sport package, but they kept it that way to keep the astronimical pricing of the 330i down. Aside from that, the 3 series sport suspension is not something you can live with every day, being so stiff, but the IS300's is a nice combination of both comfort and sportiness. I've got a suspension setup on my car(TL), and even with that, my stock IS(for now) can still run circles around it. Braking? Fuhgettaboudit. IS all the way. Bear in mind who Lexus targeted the IS to go up against. The BMW 3 series. To you it might be expensive compared to the TL, but compare it to a BMW 330i, and the Lexus is thousands less. In addition, Dollar for dollar, the IS300 does everything better than the TL. Then again, they are for two different kinds of people. You won't see an older man driving an IS300, while just about all I see is older adults driving TL's. The two cars can't be compared. I love my TL, still love the way it looks, but I'm REALLY starting to get a bad taste in my mouth after the transmission transplant(As well as the many other "Faulty" problems in my TL, as well as the other TL's on the road. Acura really disappointed me. It's gears whine more than ever on acceleration, is leaking transmission fluid EVERYWHERE(i've got spots all over my driveway, not only that, I just checked the fluid and realized it has almost 2 quarts MORE than it's supposed to have! That might explain why i'm leaking the fluid, but that will be up to PAA when I take it back to them again this week for some answers. Quality-wise, Lexus is a better made car than Acura, probably because it's still made in Japan. Because my dealership's owners just acquired Acura in their fleet of dealerships, it will be opening in a few weeks, the only Acura dealership in NYC(In addition to an Infiniti dealership, but it's like a year away). I was considering a new TL-S, but I doubt that's going to happen. I would still consider an RSX Type S, but I won't get a 6 speed as a daily driver. Nothing else excited me that I would see myself driving in Acura's fleet(aside from the NSX). I'm just about ready to pull the trigger and get rid of my Acura, and it will more than likely happen within a month to make room for the GS that I'm holding at my dealership for myself. I could go on and on, but I have work to do..
Oh yea, and for the record, you all probably don't know this, but the IS300 is built on a GS chassis, not a Corolla. My point being, although Lexus denies there being a future "IS430", they did admit that if a V8 can fit on the GS platform, it can most definately fit in the IS platform with no modifications.
This time next year, the ES300 will become the ES330, boasting 240 hp. That's all the juicy info for now.
Eddie
Ehhem..It looks like Wilz and rominl have the portion of the Comparo covered, so I don't need to get into that..
This is where I step in.. I own both, a 99TL and an '03 IS300. I'm not biased in any way because I work for Lexus. Way back when the IS300 first was introduced, I went to a ride and drive that compared the IS to the BMW 3 and Audi A4. This was before I started working for Lexus. I was amazed at how much better the IS performed over the BMW and Audi. It's not so fast, then again, it's not slow. If you know how to drive it, you can pretty much compete against many cars on the road in a road race(but I in no way encourage that, OK?) I found the comparison to be a little uneven because the 3 series didn't have the sport package, but they kept it that way to keep the astronimical pricing of the 330i down. Aside from that, the 3 series sport suspension is not something you can live with every day, being so stiff, but the IS300's is a nice combination of both comfort and sportiness. I've got a suspension setup on my car(TL), and even with that, my stock IS(for now) can still run circles around it. Braking? Fuhgettaboudit. IS all the way. Bear in mind who Lexus targeted the IS to go up against. The BMW 3 series. To you it might be expensive compared to the TL, but compare it to a BMW 330i, and the Lexus is thousands less. In addition, Dollar for dollar, the IS300 does everything better than the TL. Then again, they are for two different kinds of people. You won't see an older man driving an IS300, while just about all I see is older adults driving TL's. The two cars can't be compared. I love my TL, still love the way it looks, but I'm REALLY starting to get a bad taste in my mouth after the transmission transplant(As well as the many other "Faulty" problems in my TL, as well as the other TL's on the road. Acura really disappointed me. It's gears whine more than ever on acceleration, is leaking transmission fluid EVERYWHERE(i've got spots all over my driveway, not only that, I just checked the fluid and realized it has almost 2 quarts MORE than it's supposed to have! That might explain why i'm leaking the fluid, but that will be up to PAA when I take it back to them again this week for some answers. Quality-wise, Lexus is a better made car than Acura, probably because it's still made in Japan. Because my dealership's owners just acquired Acura in their fleet of dealerships, it will be opening in a few weeks, the only Acura dealership in NYC(In addition to an Infiniti dealership, but it's like a year away). I was considering a new TL-S, but I doubt that's going to happen. I would still consider an RSX Type S, but I won't get a 6 speed as a daily driver. Nothing else excited me that I would see myself driving in Acura's fleet(aside from the NSX). I'm just about ready to pull the trigger and get rid of my Acura, and it will more than likely happen within a month to make room for the GS that I'm holding at my dealership for myself. I could go on and on, but I have work to do..
Oh yea, and for the record, you all probably don't know this, but the IS300 is built on a GS chassis, not a Corolla. My point being, although Lexus denies there being a future "IS430", they did admit that if a V8 can fit on the GS platform, it can most definately fit in the IS platform with no modifications.
This time next year, the ES300 will become the ES330, boasting 240 hp. That's all the juicy info for now.
Eddie
and eddie, like i said there are already couple of is430 on the road here in south cali, very positive on that. i got insider news and there are some other that i can't say
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Originally posted by acurasouthfl
wow..I had no idea this simple question would blow up into a debate meet...however, I still cannot decide...decisions, decisions...
wow..I had no idea this simple question would blow up into a debate meet...however, I still cannot decide...decisions, decisions...
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Originally posted by samkws
good b*tching on ur TL....u reallie thinks this is a 100k car??
i have yet find one car does better with same price or less...not even the new accord V6...has tons of rattles and problems out of the first production...
good b*tching on ur TL....u reallie thinks this is a 100k car??
i have yet find one car does better with same price or less...not even the new accord V6...has tons of rattles and problems out of the first production...
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To the trolls from the Lexus web site.. or whatever... This is a TLs forum.. We own the car becasue we know its better... thats why we bought it.. so if you have a problem.. read the message below and please leave, your not going to change our minds:
Note: This is my typical troll responce:
Note: This is my typical troll responce:
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Originally posted by y2ks2k
To the trolls from the Lexus web site.. or whatever... This is a TLs forum.. We own the car becasue we know its better... thats why we bought it.. so if you have a problem.. read the message below and please leave, your not going to change our minds:
Note: This is my typical troll responce:
To the trolls from the Lexus web site.. or whatever... This is a TLs forum.. We own the car becasue we know its better... thats why we bought it.. so if you have a problem.. read the message below and please leave, your not going to change our minds:
Note: This is my typical troll responce:
rominl: 02 nbp tl type s, 98 gs400
1sicklex: gs400, his sister owns a 02 tl type s
wilz: ex owner of the tl type s, current owner of is300
shoffin'tl: owner of tl, is300
if you don't know much history, don't say it. which part of us are bashing the tl? none of the above person was trashing the tl and praise the lexus. none of us is saying that the tls is a crappy car, in fact if someone say that i will be the first one to criticize that. but saying the tls is a god made car, or saying that it's way better than the is300, or saying the is300 is a trash, that's just plain stupid, unfair, biased, untrue, wrong.
from what i can tell most people in this thread has been responding very well to bring out the best and worst of both cars, the tls and the is300. if this useful thread for acurasouthfl to help him decide what car to get irritates you or makes you feel bad in any way, by all means don't read it.
and before anything, all four of us DRIVE/DROVE the tl/tls, so we bought the car, umm.... and sorry buddy, no one is here to CHANGE your mind. i am here to help acurasouthfl.
oh and btw, if you really want to link a pic, try not to link something in your internal network. 192.168.x.x is reserved for internal use only. i am sure you enjoy the pics and all of us are enjoy the x.
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ah, now it's all about swearing. it's sad to see this thread closed very soon, hopefully to acurasouthfl you have gotten enough information to make your choice.
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sheesh... forget everything that everyone has said... you cant ask other people to tell you what car is better... everyone has different needs. YOU decide what SUITS you.
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As a former TL owner and now a Lexus & BMW owner, you know this thread would be over by now if we just compared both the IS & TL against the BMW 330i with sports package. HA! Just kidding, it's never going to end.
But I do think we all have to agree somewhat that the 330i is almost the perfect car in this sports sedan category. Sure people will have complaints about it, especially about the price, but once you step into a 330i with sports package, you have it all. No reason to spend more money on mods, you get what you want right out the door, because BMW gets it! They give you the Sports Package option for people like us that think every car should come with this dealer option. Handling, power, performance all taken care of, right off the bat.
The BMW 330i is amazing, you just can't explain how much fun this car is is to drive on a daily basis.
When it comes to reliability, Lexus and Acura are at the top, but don't think that BMW's break down all the time, since these are also solid cars with good reliability marks.
However when it comes to value, you just can not deny the bang for the buck that the TL offers.
But I do think we all have to agree somewhat that the 330i is almost the perfect car in this sports sedan category. Sure people will have complaints about it, especially about the price, but once you step into a 330i with sports package, you have it all. No reason to spend more money on mods, you get what you want right out the door, because BMW gets it! They give you the Sports Package option for people like us that think every car should come with this dealer option. Handling, power, performance all taken care of, right off the bat.
The BMW 330i is amazing, you just can't explain how much fun this car is is to drive on a daily basis.
When it comes to reliability, Lexus and Acura are at the top, but don't think that BMW's break down all the time, since these are also solid cars with good reliability marks.
However when it comes to value, you just can not deny the bang for the buck that the TL offers.
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I appreciate all of the responses that this topic has generated. You guys know so much about cars it boggles the mind. Last weekend I test drove both cars back to back and still could not make up my mind. The IS 300 had a stiffer feel, better handling, and a less luxurious interior. The tl-s had a more luxurious interior, smoother ride, better acceleration. If only they could morph these two cars into my perfect car. That would solve everything..lol
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Originally posted by acuraguynj
As a former TL owner and now a Lexus & BMW owner, you know this thread would be over by now if we just compared both the IS & TL against the BMW 330i with sports package. HA! Just kidding, it's never going to end.
But I do think we all have to agree somewhat that the 330i is almost the perfect car in this sports sedan category. Sure people will have complaints about it, especially about the price, but once you step into a 330i with sports package, you have it all. No reason to spend more money on mods, you get what you want right out the door, because BMW gets it! They give you the Sports Package option for people like us that think every car should come with this dealer option. Handling, power, performance all taken care of, right off the bat.
The BMW 330i is amazing, you just can't explain how much fun this car is is to drive on a daily basis.
When it comes to reliability, Lexus and Acura are at the top, but don't think that BMW's break down all the time, since these are also solid cars with good reliability marks.
However when it comes to value, you just can not deny the bang for the buck that the TL offers.
As a former TL owner and now a Lexus & BMW owner, you know this thread would be over by now if we just compared both the IS & TL against the BMW 330i with sports package. HA! Just kidding, it's never going to end.
But I do think we all have to agree somewhat that the 330i is almost the perfect car in this sports sedan category. Sure people will have complaints about it, especially about the price, but once you step into a 330i with sports package, you have it all. No reason to spend more money on mods, you get what you want right out the door, because BMW gets it! They give you the Sports Package option for people like us that think every car should come with this dealer option. Handling, power, performance all taken care of, right off the bat.
The BMW 330i is amazing, you just can't explain how much fun this car is is to drive on a daily basis.
When it comes to reliability, Lexus and Acura are at the top, but don't think that BMW's break down all the time, since these are also solid cars with good reliability marks.
However when it comes to value, you just can not deny the bang for the buck that the TL offers.
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Originally posted by acurasouthfl
I appreciate all of the responses that this topic has generated. You guys know so much about cars it boggles the mind. Last weekend I test drove both cars back to back and still could not make up my mind. The IS 300 had a stiffer feel, better handling, and a less luxurious interior. The tl-s had a more luxurious interior, smoother ride, better acceleration. If only they could morph these two cars into my perfect car. That would solve everything..lol
I appreciate all of the responses that this topic has generated. You guys know so much about cars it boggles the mind. Last weekend I test drove both cars back to back and still could not make up my mind. The IS 300 had a stiffer feel, better handling, and a less luxurious interior. The tl-s had a more luxurious interior, smoother ride, better acceleration. If only they could morph these two cars into my perfect car. That would solve everything..lol
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umm.... how many and who will primarily drive the car? does the car usually carry pessangers at the back? how about luggages? how's the road condition in the area you live?
umm.... how many and who will primarily drive the car? does the car usually carry pessangers at the back? how about luggages? how's the road condition in the area you live?
This will be my car primarily...not planning to use it to hall to many people around...will be moving next year after medical school to do my internship/residency...will probably end up in either D.C., washington state, atlanta, or honolulu
I just wish the IS 300 was more powerful...I'd buy it in a heartbeat...I just love the sporty exterior and the way it handles...but I just can't deny that I'll be missing out on all the features the tl-s has and the value of the car itself
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Originally posted by acurasouthfl
This will be my car primarily...not planning to use it to hall to many people around...will be moving next year after medical school to do my internship/residency...will probably end up in either D.C., washington state, atlanta, or honolulu
I just wish the IS 300 was more powerful...I'd buy it in a heartbeat...I just love the sporty exterior and the way it handles...but I just can't deny that I'll be missing out on all the features the tl-s has and the value of the car itself
This will be my car primarily...not planning to use it to hall to many people around...will be moving next year after medical school to do my internship/residency...will probably end up in either D.C., washington state, atlanta, or honolulu
I just wish the IS 300 was more powerful...I'd buy it in a heartbeat...I just love the sporty exterior and the way it handles...but I just can't deny that I'll be missing out on all the features the tl-s has and the value of the car itself
so you already know about the handling of the is300 and love the styling. the next question would be, do you drag or street race a lot? coz' imho, if you don't do both, and you drive a stick well, you can easily handle the is300 freeway on freeway and curves over a lot of cars.
but you really enjoy pushing yourself into the seat when you drag from a red light, now that's a different story. the is300 definitely won't give you as good feeling as what the tls could
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Originally posted by acurasouthfl
This will be my car primarily...not planning to use it to hall to many people around...will be moving next year after medical school to do my internship/residency...will probably end up in either D.C., washington state, atlanta, or honolulu
I just wish the IS 300 was more powerful...I'd buy it in a heartbeat...I just love the sporty exterior and the way it handles...but I just can't deny that I'll be missing out on all the features the tl-s has and the value of the car itself
This will be my car primarily...not planning to use it to hall to many people around...will be moving next year after medical school to do my internship/residency...will probably end up in either D.C., washington state, atlanta, or honolulu
I just wish the IS 300 was more powerful...I'd buy it in a heartbeat...I just love the sporty exterior and the way it handles...but I just can't deny that I'll be missing out on all the features the tl-s has and the value of the car itself
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Ok
Why would you spend say 32k on a car and spend a couple more g on just making it more powerful??
If you buy an IS and throw a couple of g into it. Why not getting something like the GS or the M3(used one)?
Why would you spend say 32k on a car and spend a couple more g on just making it more powerful??
If you buy an IS and throw a couple of g into it. Why not getting something like the GS or the M3(used one)?
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Originally posted by this is me
Ok
Why would you spend say 32k on a car and spend a couple more g on just making it more powerful??
If you buy an IS and throw a couple of g into it. Why not getting something like the GS or the M3(used one)?
Ok
Why would you spend say 32k on a car and spend a couple more g on just making it more powerful??
If you buy an IS and throw a couple of g into it. Why not getting something like the GS or the M3(used one)?
so with the same theory, why people get an accord v6 and put 10k to make it just as fast as the tls? why i got the tls, put in coupld grands, and only make it a bit closer to the 330i? why i got the gs4, put in over 10k, and makes it to hang with other cars? it's all about the fun in modding cars, learning stuff, etc...
otherwise, if we are all looking for a stock cars that's fast and good, just wait till you have the money to get the m5 and you are done but then i know even if i get the m5 i would still mod it. what gives
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Originally posted by this is me
Ok
Why would you spend say 32k on a car and spend a couple more g on just making it more powerful??
If you buy an IS and throw a couple of g into it. Why not getting something like the GS or the M3(used one)?
Ok
Why would you spend say 32k on a car and spend a couple more g on just making it more powerful??
If you buy an IS and throw a couple of g into it. Why not getting something like the GS or the M3(used one)?
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Originally posted by acurasouthfl
a 2002 M3 with the SMG and low miles with all the usual options...is atleast 50K...way out of my present price range
a 2002 M3 with the SMG and low miles with all the usual options...is atleast 50K...way out of my present price range
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I can't believe I jsut read this ENTIRE thread...(graveyard Shift sucks)
OK normally I wouldnt respond to a pointless thread like this...but seeing as though this thread actually kept it clean, I'll join in on the fun.
I have a 2002 TLS and 2 best friends with a 2001 IS300 auto and a 2002 IS300 stick. I have driven them both (short and long distances)...and all I could say is that it all depends on what type of category your driving habbits fall under.
The grass is always greener on the other side...so while I love the handling, quietness, build quality and the luxury service that they get with their cars...they in return envy the small little details like memory seats, automatic folddown side mirror, freeway passing power, the NAV, and (who'd of thought) long distance fuel efficiency of the TLS.
Ask yourself. Are you going to be spending most of your time going fast on the freeway? Or darting in and out of small city streets?
But...before we go off on a tangent of well this car is better yata yata, we have to have a baseline to make our decision easier. First gather up some discipline and set a fixed price for yourself. Obviously you cant compare a fully loaded TLS with an IS300 because personally...if by miracle some fool offers me an even trade for an IS300 with NAV for my car, I'll do it in a heartbeat and drive away without looking back. But...reality hits...and as usual, $$$ is the bottom line right?
Don't listen to other peeps about mods and what not. I don't know about you, but I generally don't buy a car for what it "could" be...I am more focused to what my money is getting me NOW. Think about it, if modding is such a high priority, then everyone should be getting an econobox and moddifying that instead. But alas, not everyone has the time or energy to do so, nor can justify returning to the bank and finance an additional 10k loan for a turbo. Modding is done so that over the years you can continue to feel good about your car, and is not something that should be overly praised...especially if used as a daily driver.
Here's a quick low down.
My friends' IS300 complaints:
Long distance driving conditions suck. (esp with 2001 auto...no armrest)
CD player keeps jamming up.
NO NAV!
My TLS complaints:
They laugh at me when I can BARELY make U-turns.
Build quality doesn't compare to theirs. (Open and close the doors...that should be enough)
People always want to take my car on long trips (well...not really a bad thing I guess)
Sure the RWD and handling is nice...but I primarily bought my car for long distance commute. Oh, and you can call me a geek...but the NAV was actually the MAJOR selling point. So...the choice is yours...what type of driver are you? I've personally had MANY adventures with my lady friend in mine, so all in all I believe I made the right decision (at that time).
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Im suprised...if this car is primarily going to be just for you, then why not a 2 door?
OMFG..it's almost 7 in the morning...I gotta get out of here and go to sleep!
I have a 2002 TLS and 2 best friends with a 2001 IS300 auto and a 2002 IS300 stick. I have driven them both (short and long distances)...and all I could say is that it all depends on what type of category your driving habbits fall under.
The grass is always greener on the other side...so while I love the handling, quietness, build quality and the luxury service that they get with their cars...they in return envy the small little details like memory seats, automatic folddown side mirror, freeway passing power, the NAV, and (who'd of thought) long distance fuel efficiency of the TLS.
Ask yourself. Are you going to be spending most of your time going fast on the freeway? Or darting in and out of small city streets?
But...before we go off on a tangent of well this car is better yata yata, we have to have a baseline to make our decision easier. First gather up some discipline and set a fixed price for yourself. Obviously you cant compare a fully loaded TLS with an IS300 because personally...if by miracle some fool offers me an even trade for an IS300 with NAV for my car, I'll do it in a heartbeat and drive away without looking back. But...reality hits...and as usual, $$$ is the bottom line right?
Don't listen to other peeps about mods and what not. I don't know about you, but I generally don't buy a car for what it "could" be...I am more focused to what my money is getting me NOW. Think about it, if modding is such a high priority, then everyone should be getting an econobox and moddifying that instead. But alas, not everyone has the time or energy to do so, nor can justify returning to the bank and finance an additional 10k loan for a turbo. Modding is done so that over the years you can continue to feel good about your car, and is not something that should be overly praised...especially if used as a daily driver.
Here's a quick low down.
My friends' IS300 complaints:
Long distance driving conditions suck. (esp with 2001 auto...no armrest)
CD player keeps jamming up.
NO NAV!
My TLS complaints:
They laugh at me when I can BARELY make U-turns.
Build quality doesn't compare to theirs. (Open and close the doors...that should be enough)
People always want to take my car on long trips (well...not really a bad thing I guess)
Sure the RWD and handling is nice...but I primarily bought my car for long distance commute. Oh, and you can call me a geek...but the NAV was actually the MAJOR selling point. So...the choice is yours...what type of driver are you? I've personally had MANY adventures with my lady friend in mine, so all in all I believe I made the right decision (at that time).
P.S.
Im suprised...if this car is primarily going to be just for you, then why not a 2 door?
OMFG..it's almost 7 in the morning...I gotta get out of here and go to sleep!
#66
Purchased: April 28, 2001
Originally posted by acurasouthfl
well..2003 IS 300 has added an arm rest and a pop up navigation system...but 215 bhp vs 260 bhp in the TL-s...that's a considerable difference
well..2003 IS 300 has added an arm rest and a pop up navigation system...but 215 bhp vs 260 bhp in the TL-s...that's a considerable difference
So is the sticker. I thought we were looking at 2 different cars for the same price. I know they added in those options, along with other things...but unless you are going to stick to around the same same price of the TLS, then an IS300 w NAV is no longer an option. That was my point. Don't compare the same cars fully loaded...compare them with the same $$$ amount.
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Don't compare the same cars fully loaded...compare them with the same $$$ amount.
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Re: I can't believe I jsut read this ENTIRE thread...(graveyard Shift sucks)
Originally posted by edgalang
They laugh at me when I can BARELY make U-turns.
They laugh at me when I can BARELY make U-turns.
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Purchased: April 28, 2001
Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Tsk, Tsk, u get what u pay for....."Value" is such an overused word, like peak Hp and Love....
Tsk, Tsk, u get what u pay for....."Value" is such an overused word, like peak Hp and Love....
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Re: TL-s vs IS 300
Originally posted by acurasouthfl
I've narrowed my new car choice down to the 03 Acura 3.2 tl type s w/nav and a 03 Lexus IS 300 power/leather package...anybody have any honest comparisons between these cars?
I've narrowed my new car choice down to the 03 Acura 3.2 tl type s w/nav and a 03 Lexus IS 300 power/leather package...anybody have any honest comparisons between these cars?
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Tsk, Tsk, u get what u pay for....."Value" is such an overused word, like peak Hp and Love....
Tsk, Tsk, u get what u pay for....."Value" is such an overused word, like peak Hp and Love....
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Isn't the very definition of "value" what you got for what you paid?
For instance. The GS and 540 and E-class share basically the same features but the GS is 5k cheaper. That is a value. I am not missing out on anything but the additional prestige a BMW or Benz has. I am not missing real wood, dual zone AC etc etc...
I do not find value in a product that is obviously cheaper made and is well CHEAPER. That is a cheaper product, not a value.
That is why IMO, (IMO ladies and gents) value is so overused. You can say a LS 430 is a value over a S 430 or 500. YOU CAN't say it is a value over a S 600, causethe LS 430 missing a few features and you would sound dumb stating so.
Lexus has done so well cause it gives you equivilent or more features for the money, not less features and less money....
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Purchased: April 28, 2001
Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
VALUE is paying LESS for an item that has the same features as a comparable item.
VALUE is paying LESS for an item that has the same features as a comparable item.
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The TL is a dressed up Accord. It's OK!!
I shopped around for several months before deciding the the TL-S. I drove Mercedes C240, IS300...even test drove a Lincoln...
I decided IS300 or TL-S. Bottom line was cost...I wasn't about to pay more for the same options...I am by far getting more bang for my buck with the TL-S than the IS300.
Just my .02
I shopped around for several months before deciding the the TL-S. I drove Mercedes C240, IS300...even test drove a Lincoln...
I decided IS300 or TL-S. Bottom line was cost...I wasn't about to pay more for the same options...I am by far getting more bang for my buck with the TL-S than the IS300.
Just my .02
#76
I dropped by the infiniti dealership to check out the new g35 sports coupe. My intention was merely to take it for a little joy ride and see what it was all about. It had an unbelievable feel on the road and an extremely responsive steering wheel. I took each corner with confidence and I had a silly grin on my face when I stepped on the gas on a straight away and heard the most exquisite exhaust note I've ever heard. I swear the exhaust sounded very similar to the time I was lucky enough to be a passenger in a ferrari 348 spider. The perforated leather seats felt very firm yet confortable. I felt like it was custom fit to my torso. The in dash 6-CD changer with Bose audio sounded awesome.
I realized that this was the car that I was looking for. So I've decided on the infiniti g35 sports coupe instead of the acura or the lexus. Now all I have to do is wait for it to get here.
I realized that this was the car that I was looking for. So I've decided on the infiniti g35 sports coupe instead of the acura or the lexus. Now all I have to do is wait for it to get here.
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well..look at it this way wilz..the first year any car comes out is usually the worst...by the time you decide you still want a g35 coupe, it will have gotten rid of all the imperfections as well as design and mechanical miscues that always plaque the debut model