Which tire should I replace the stock TLS tires with with?

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Old 06-22-2002 | 05:22 PM
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Question Which tire should I replace the stock TLS tires with with?

So far I have these on the list:
-Pirelli PZero System Asymmetrico
-Bridgestone Expedia S-01
-Dunlop SP Sport FM901
-Dunlop SP Sport 5000 Symmetrical

what do you guys think?
Old 06-22-2002 | 07:16 PM
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Old 06-22-2002 | 07:22 PM
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Michelin Pilot Sport A/S. These are incredible....

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Old 06-22-2002 | 07:51 PM
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Pirelli P-Zeros have awesome tread, but they sure dont last long.

I right now an running with Toyo Proxes T1-S's and they are pricey, but worth every penny. Tread wear rating is pretty good on em, but I guess I'll find out for myself down the road.
Old 06-22-2002 | 08:52 PM
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oblio98, i'm looking for tires the same size as the stock ones :p
so wouldn't the pilot sports require you to have the speedometer recalibrated?

i heard from many people about the p-zeros wearing out fast, how about the bridgestone? and FM901? the Fm901 looks nice, but seems to be very new, so have anyone tried them yet??
Old 06-22-2002 | 09:13 PM
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I think the Bridgestone SO-3 are good tires but they dun come in the right size.
Old 06-22-2002 | 11:20 PM
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how about the s-01? anyone tried those?
Old 06-23-2002 | 12:03 AM
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how about the s-01? anyone tried those?
STi,

I think it really depends on how you drive the car, and what kind of performance you need out of your tires.

I think most of the tires you've listed are more of the Ultra Performance Tires.

I have personally tried the S02s and they are a great wet/dry performance tire, and they are pretty quiet.

Currently I am running Toyo T1-S, I would have to say they are a much better dry tire than the S02, but not as good in the wet. They are noisier than the S02s as well.

I have ONLY heard good things about Kumho 712s, even though a lot of people say, "WTF is Kumho?", the price is great and the performance is great. My brother runs Kumho 712s on his Golf 1.8T which dynoed in at 241whp, he absolutely pounds his car in the dry and wet and has no problems at all. I would have definately considered Kumho if they made a 235/35/19 size.

As for the Dunlop FM901s, they are relatively new to the market but the guys @ A&J Racing a few of them are running them and they seem to be pretty good so far.

If you are looking for hardcore performance in dry, then consider the Yokohama 032R, otherwise if you are looking for an all around dry/wet performance tire, I really recommend Kumho or FM901s since the price you pay for the value you get.

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Old 06-23-2002 | 08:10 AM
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Check into the Yokohama AVS dB's. They have been great for me so far.
Old 06-23-2002 | 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by SatinSilverTLS
I think the Bridgestone SO-3 are good tires but they dun come in the right size.
If your using your stock rim, you can put on 225/45/17...those will work. I, myself, am planing 235/45/17s on my stock rims...so SO-3 all the WAY!!!!
Old 06-23-2002 | 04:51 PM
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i can't find a AVS dB the right size

and i always thought 225 tires are supposed to be mounted on at least 7" wheels???
Old 06-23-2002 | 06:38 PM
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i can't find a AVS dB the right size

and i always thought 225 tires are supposed to be mounted on at least 7" wheels???
Oh that's right...the TL-S's rim size is only 6.5. My bad...get the 225s!
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I upgraded my TL-P with standard TL-S wheels. I used the Dunlop SP Sport 5000 symmetricals. I had planned on purchasing the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S in 225/50/17 but this is an unusual size and there has been a severe shortage in this size--a problem if I ever had a flat. I was looking for a tire in what Tire Rack calls the "ultimate performance all-season" class, with a good wear rating and acceptable dry and wet handling. By purchasing these tires (or the Pilots) you give up excellent handling in either extreme, but get better than acceptable handling in either extreme.

I bought the tires a few weeks ago and find they absolutely stick to the road in dry conditions, better than expected. They are also pretty good in the rain, as I found during our 1" + downpour last week. They are quiet to the point that the only thing I hear in the car at 80+ mph is the (minor) wind noise, except on concrete, when most tires make some noise. It's obviously early to tell whether the wear is good, but I think a wear rating of 360 is pretty good. And, oh yes, the tires come in 215/50/17, the stock TL-S wheel size. They, like the Pilots ($202/tire at Tire Rack), are pricey ($188/tire at Tire Rack).
Old 06-23-2002 | 08:33 PM
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You bought the tires, and dennnn?

Once you by the tires from a place like TireRack.com, do you just take them anywhere to get them mounted? I've never bought tires somewhere else and then taken them to someone to mount them. Do they charge you a premium because you bought them elsewhere?
Old 06-23-2002 | 11:33 PM
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give the Tirerack your zipcode when you order, and they will direct you to several authorized installers. IN fact, you can get this info from them before you order, and check out the installers first.
No they dont charge you a premium to mount and balance tires, and if you pay more than 16-18 per tire, then you are getting ripped.
Old 06-23-2002 | 11:35 PM
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BTW, I just got the dunlap 5000 asymetrical, and they are great!
Unless you are racing, or want to have a separate set for summer and winter, these are the best tires for all season high performance.
stock size, 215/50/17
Old 06-24-2002 | 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by sotiri
give the Tirerack your zipcode when you order, and they will direct you to several authorized installers. IN fact, you can get this info from them before you order, and check out the installers first.
No they dont charge you a premium to mount and balance tires, and if you pay more than 16-18 per tire, then you are getting ripped.
Yeah, what sotiri said. I had mine installed at a Tire Rack recommended installer and paid $16/tire. I'll definitely be using Tire Rack again, they're much cheaper than anyplace in my neighborhood, and the installer is only 5 minutes from my house.
Old 06-24-2002 | 09:28 AM
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I have 245/45/17 on my stock tls wheels and stock suspension no problems whatsoever (check "post specs" thread).

Whatever size you decide, your total diameter should be between 25.5 and 25.9 inches with 25.7 being the ideal.

To calculate total diameter from

xxx/yy/17

xxx = width in mm
yy = ratio of sidewall to width

Total diameter = 17 + 2 * (yy*xxx/25.4)
Old 06-24-2002 | 11:06 AM
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Michelin Pilot Sport A/S

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S

nuff said!
Old 06-24-2002 | 11:38 PM
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I would had not guessed this but TireRack's two highest rated 215/50/17's are the Firehawk SZ50 (8 out of 10) and the Dunlop SP Sport 5000 Assymetrical (8.2). The search was for Ultra high and High Performance and A/S versions. Firehawk?? hmmmm.
Old 06-25-2002 | 12:09 AM
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ok, My GF has firehawks on her Z28, pure sports tire, not all weather, summer fun only, nice cornering, little hard, great traction.
I have Dunlop 5000 Asym on my 2002TLS, I had them on my 98 V6 Accord, they are luxury sports tires, all season, good cornering, not the best, very sticky, I think all Mich tires are slick, Dunlops are very quiet, more forgiving with street bumps, and gives the car the feeling like it weighs more, due to the softer feel of the road bumps.
So I guess it depends on what you are lookin for.
For those who prefer Mich tires, so be it, but its known that arent the strongest of tires.
You want pure sports fun, go for the Firestone
You want luxury sports ride, go for the Dunlops
you want to stick with factory type rubber, go for Mich.
Just be happy with what you choose, and have safe fun!
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I bought a set of Dunlop 5000 Symetrical in stock size for 190$CAD/each mounted & balanced.

1) According to TireRack, 215/50VR17 size only available for sumetrical so how do some people found them on asymetrical?

2) I thought TireRack had the lowest prize in tires??
190$CAD vs. 188$US (1 $US = 1.52$CAD )


Compared to the stock Michelin, the Dunlops seem to ride on cushion, smoother. Maybe just the fact that they are new, and I compare them to the wear out Michelins....

The stock Michelins here are 310$CAD/each. Why pay more for a tire that is about the same?

Thanks.
Old 06-25-2002 | 07:59 AM
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Just checked the tirerack site, it shows symetrical but when you click on the tire, it shows you for tires that are 55 or lower in profile, it becomes aysmetrical.
As for the tire being softer because you are comparing them to worn out Mich tires, well I just switched from brandnew Mich to Dunlops, and there is a definite difference in softness... and not because my Mich tires with 4k on them were worn out.
Old 06-25-2002 | 07:14 PM
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neone have pix of 225/45/17 tires on stock TLS rims?
how much is the diameter affected? n how does the wheel gap look?
Old 06-26-2002 | 01:26 AM
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this is quite surprising so many peopl have oversized tires for their wheels... most people don't reccomand this, so i'm not sure what tire i should replace with

so the Dunlops are soft? that means they are less responsive in corners too?? i feel the michelins are soft already.. hmmm
Old 07-01-2002 | 06:34 PM
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Tire Size and Wheels

I've always heard that the width of the tire should NOT exceed 1.25 times the wheel width. Or, conversely, the width of the wheel should be WITHIN 80% the width of the tire. There are obvious reasons for this, including sidewall support during hard cornering.

So, in the case of the TLS, we have a 215 mounted on a 6.5 inch wheel. According to the formula above, the maximum wheel width that should be mounted on a 6.5 inch wheel is: 6.5 inches * 1.25 = 8.125 inches * 25.4mm/inch = 206mm. So, the 215 tire actually exceeds this rule of thumb by just a little.

Ideally, I think the TL-S should have been developed with at least a 225, or possibly a 245 tire (see BMW 330: 245 on 8.0 wheels). This would mean the wheel needs to be at least 7 inches wide (for the 225), probably 7.5 or 8.0 (for the 245).

Anyone know why Acura put such skinny rubber and skinny tires on such a capable car?


Originally posted by STi
this is quite surprising so many peopl have oversized tires for their wheels... most people don't reccomand this, so i'm not sure what tire i should replace with

so the Dunlops are soft? that means they are less responsive in corners too?? i feel the michelins are soft already.. hmmm
Old 07-01-2002 | 09:41 PM
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>>Anyone know why Acura put such skinny rubber and skinny tires on such a capable car?

i've no idea but i sure don't like it
Old 07-02-2002 | 10:02 AM
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Acura probably puts these crap tires on the vehicle for the following reasons:

1. better posted fuel economy
2. longer tread life
3. cheaper for them
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