Vman159

Hey i have couple questions thanks for your time

1. is 00 tl faster than the 04-06 rsx(non type s) because i was at a light and this rsx tried to race me with intake and exhaust but i beat him.

2. how do i clean out my cat, because i talked to some people and they said thats what slows me down...

3. currently i have 97xxx miles and i believe i am still on the stock spark plugs, my 3k oil change is due in couple hundred miles, would you change them now or like once i reach triple digits.

fsttyms1

1. well if you beat him then the tl is faster.
2. You dont clean out the cat as in cleaning it. You have to physically take it off the car and smash out all the innards. It will make your car not pass any emissions testing if you have any. (not to mention it is going to be 50 state illegal so just a heads up)
3. do them now.
3k oilchange.

MurdaZ

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change the plugs now i would say but the 3k oil changes are overkill and a waste of money. i stretch mine to 6k or when i notice the oil is dark

NSXNEXT

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Before you change the plugs, run a can of seafoam treatment through the vacuum line, one in the oil and one in the gas tank. Drive arond for 30 minutes, then do oil change and plug change.

And gutting the cat will gain you minimal hp. Definitely not worth the effort.

01tl4tl

if the cat is partially plugged from whatever,, like low grade gas- a can of seafoam in half tank of gas- do that twice and should clean up whatever is willing to come out

Yes folks- seafoam is not only safe for cats,,, but cleans them too!

change plugs if over 60kmiles on them- use NGK Iridiums IX

follow seafoam diy for manifold vac port at TB method

3k oil changes- thats from the 70s!!!, oil is better now and the cars `oil change reminder` system is set for 7500 miles between changes/resets

Rockstar21

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i've had no cat on 2 of my cars (94 accord and 87 944)... can you elaborate on how this is illegal?

they both ran (one currently) straight pipes from the headers.

MurdaZ

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its an emission controled device, here in canada we are not allow to take anything off, egr valve, pcv, cat etc. they check those things first to make sure its there and working before doing the test.

cali has one of the most strict emission laws in the world, here in ontario they are following suit.

Vman159

i am an idiot... i seriously thought you have to change oil every 3 k. how often would you change it and synthetic?

fsttyms1

Its ILLEGAL because its an emissions part of the car that is federally mandated to be on cars in all 50 states. Though you will only really get in trouble if your state does emissions testing as you will not pass the sniffer

fsttyms1

all depends on driving conditions. The factory manual (the thing that should be in your glovebox) and your "Maintenance required" light say 7500 for intervals. I ran 8k on regular oil and 10-15kon syn. Go to Blackstone labs to get your oil sample test kit. Next oilchange get a sample of the oil and send it in for analysis. it will tell you the condition of your oil and if you have life left in it at that change.

kriz2fer

Well rsx base is the weak k20 so its olny pulling 160hp, so yeah you could pull on those easy.

Vman159

his vtech was hella loud though and it was very long

kriz2fer

VTEC not vtech its right on you motor!!!

Rockstar21

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then maybe its possible that its mandated on all new vehicles being sold in the every state.

emessions are not a part of our inspection process.
its a very simple 5 minute process which in some cases you dont even have to leave your car with anyone.

this exerpt is why i dont believe its illegal to take the cat off after purchasing...

here is the official rule from Louisiana's Motor Vehicle Inspection Requirements

the rule only applies to cars and trucks from 80-83 when doing an inspection ( In Louisiana). no other place in the guidelines does it say all other vehicles must have one, which is why i asked the question initially.

Check Engine Light is the biggest concern when getting a sticker here.

jdjohn84

1. As already pointed out, you won, so the answer is 'no'. It would take more than CAI and rice exhaust for a typical 4 banger to beat a strong 6cyl. With the right mods, yes, but this is the same reason a strong V8 will beat our cars. Of course that V8 can't weigh 3 tons, either. I'm talking about pony cars and the like.

2. 'Slows you down'? Compared to what? That sounds like a canned answer from someone who doesn't know any better. If it's a concern, switch to a hi-flow cat.

3. Follow others' advice on this thread. SeaFoam and change those plugs! Switch to good synthetic and change twice a year - most folks put 10-15K per year on a car, so that puts you changing oil every 5-7.5K miles.

MegaMod, exactly what types of data do the labs provide about the oil? Is there also a benchmark of new oil for comparison?

jdjohn84

Note to self: when in Louisiana, don't breathe

fsttyms1

Actually it does, If you read the Law in LA it states what you posted, And just under that

1984 passenger cars and light trucks

All of the above as well as:
Oxygen Sensor
Misfire

http://www.miller-doyle.com/inspection.pdf



Also there isnt much of to be gained from removing modern cats on cars now days. Most are very efficient

fsttyms1

They provide all sorts of stuff from whats in it (metals/fuels parts per millions) to TBN (something you have to ask for to be done when sending the sample in) It will let you know how much life is left in it. You will tell them what type of oil you used etc... and the mileage. I know there are a few scans floating around here.

01tl4tl

the lab has new samples of each type oil to compare against your sample, and all the other cars they have tested
try internet search ~

its very clear in the state laws and fed laws--cat and some other items req.
If the vehicle weighs more than 10k pounds then it wont have a cat- its a big truck and has different rules

MurdaZ

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does the usa require you to do emission test every 2 years for cars 5 years and older? we do...my car passes everytime with perfect readings.

01tl4tl

smog test vary by state, some have none at all while others have a full safety and smog inspection, Ca does it on dyno type roller wheels to test at 25 and 35 mph, some States have just a sniffer tube and static testing

Mostly they look for removed parts,,, as thats against federal smog laws-and the certification standard of the car

most states give your cars first 4-5 years off from testing, as anything wrong would be covered by warranty

01tl4tl

CARB approved parts in the usa- are allowed in all states as approved- meaning parts have been tested and found by the Ca inspection board to NOT cause more smog to come from the car- headers, cai etc are part of that group
must have approval stickers applied to car underhood and documents from maker, purchase receipt, handy at inspection just in case~

Rockstar21

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hmmm not sure why they would never do it.
i dont go to under the table places either, i usually get mine done next door to the DMV...

and im really suprised it says that all vehicles must be test driven... the day im asked to let them joy ride my car around for an inspection is the day i start paying some hole in the wall joint to "give" me one.

as far as the cat removal, it was nothing more then eliminating a faulty part.. not for any gains...

TLer trash

I have never heard of a car owner being fined for emissions tampering, but repair shops periodically get stung. Stung in the literal sense as it's usually a "sting" operation". That aside, it's illegal to remove emission controls even temporarily while you wait for replacements, so your faulty part scheme is still illegal.

Rockstar21

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eating ice cream in public after 6 p.m is illegal in texas (actual law)
i await the day im arrested or fined for no catylitic converter on my vehicle.

although their may be a law stating its necessary, it will not be enforced on an individual level. which is why my actions are of no concern to the state law, or the inspection stations.

this will be subjective to the individual and the state they live in, i only speak for myself.

jdjohn84

They won't arrest or impose a fine...they just won't renew your registration until it is fixed. Then you find yourself driving around with expired tags.

Rockstar21

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this would be true if they actually checked for this during an inspection here... which they do not...

Vman159

someone told me that the rsx type s has a long Vtec which this one had but no way a tl-p can beat a type s

Rockstar21

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if they RSX-S had a not-so-great driver..the TL could easily pull that off...

stick drivers make mistakes.. auto's dont
14.9 for the RSX and a mid 15's for the TL-P doesnt leave much room for error on the RSX's part

Vman159

what the hell? mid 15's for tl?? thats wierd i ran 16.5 last year after seafoaming it and changing oil and fill up on half tank of chevron and removed anything i didnt need in trunk besides spare and crap like that

assclown

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the vtec is strong with this one...

kriz2fer

Wow dude you sound like a straight noob! long vtec???wtf? you shouldnt beat a rsx-s because its faster than your car period...unless hes a shitty driver and then maybe.

kriz2fer

lol yeah its waaay strong..

jdjohn84

3.2TL-P weight:3,447 hp:225 lbs/hp=15.32
3.2TL-S weight:3,447 hp:260 lbs/hp=13.26
2.0L RSX-base weight:2,790 hp:160 lbs/hp=17.44
2.0L RSX type-S weight:2,790 hp:200(210 '05-'06) lbs/hp=13.95(13.29)

2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 weight:~3,450 hp:300 lbs/hp=11.5
BMW M3 lbs/hp=8.9


I'm just sayin'...

01tl4tl

fat drivers can slow times~

Vman159

i am nothing close to fat....

Rockstar21

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well then your car is not maintained well.. mine had 180k miles on it when it ran 15.45 15.60 and 15.58 .. and it was stock.. no spare tire/jack...

Vman159

i am a noob to let you guys know so i am not offended...

but i did let a mechanic check it out and everything came back good. the only thing needs to be replaced is plugs. you think i can be slowed down that bad due to plugs?

Vman159

ok just asking

1. what does the 00 tl do 0-60 and can you tell me where you found it?

2. 2000 acura tl vs 2008 toyota tacoma v6

kriz2fer

1999 acura tl-p 0-60 7.4.....1/4 mile 15.7

2002 acura tl-s 0-60 6.2......1/4 mile 14.7

thoses are the times!!!!