Port and Polishing for TB and Intake Mani
01-11-2005, 07:59 PM
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Mr. Steve we have addressed that issue to nausea .. regarding the losses of power ... there is justification for those reasons and and the reasons for gain. We will proivde dyno numbers soon
But you also must realize its not about putting down 2497589278452 hp to the wheels, its also about how the airflows, and how the power curve is adjusted as well.
I understand your concern, hell I was concerned about the same thing. But needless to say I believe that noone will be upset with the results
But you also must realize its not about putting down 2497589278452 hp to the wheels, its also about how the airflows, and how the power curve is adjusted as well.
I understand your concern, hell I was concerned about the same thing. But needless to say I believe that noone will be upset with the results
01-11-2005, 08:26 PM
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01-11-2005, 08:46 PM
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well he does, you dont. Or atleast he says.
How did you feel when you first put headers on? you bearly felt anything, but you did nonetheless (unless you did all at once in which case you cant tell individually). IF HARLEY says he can feel a diff, then it must be an important gain...but it can also be in his head that he feels because it cost him 3pubic hairs from the left sector.
i read a bunch about old v8 carburated power in this book at border's where they talked about some intake manifold modding not yielding gains, but looses and other yielding up to 15hp (article actually claims 22hp, there was just the engine hooked up to watever testing machine) We are not v8 carburated muscle -we're better ~ vtec- (j/k) but who knows if he picks up 10hp its amazing!
How did you feel when you first put headers on? you bearly felt anything, but you did nonetheless (unless you did all at once in which case you cant tell individually). IF HARLEY says he can feel a diff, then it must be an important gain...but it can also be in his head that he feels because it cost him 3pubic hairs from the left sector.
i read a bunch about old v8 carburated power in this book at border's where they talked about some intake manifold modding not yielding gains, but looses and other yielding up to 15hp (article actually claims 22hp, there was just the engine hooked up to watever testing machine) We are not v8 carburated muscle -we're better ~ vtec- (j/k) but who knows if he picks up 10hp its amazing!
01-11-2005, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
You don't understand what I'm saying. How will anyone be able to come to a conclusion of upset vs. impressed when you have no baseline dyno to compare it to.
01-11-2005, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by etxxz
well he does, you dont. Or atleast he says.
How did you feel when you first put headers on? you bearly felt anything, but you did nonetheless (unless you did all at once in which case you cant tell individually). IF HARLEY says he can feel a diff, then it must be an important gain...but it can also be in his head that he feels because it cost him 3pubic hairs from the left sector.
i read a bunch about old v8 carburated power in this book at border's where they talked about some intake manifold modding not yielding gains, but looses and other yielding up to 15hp (article actually claims 22hp, there was just the engine hooked up to watever testing machine) We are not v8 carburated muscle -we're better ~ vtec- (j/k) but who knows if he picks up 10hp its amazing!
How did you feel when you first put headers on? you bearly felt anything, but you did nonetheless (unless you did all at once in which case you cant tell individually). IF HARLEY says he can feel a diff, then it must be an important gain...but it can also be in his head that he feels because it cost him 3pubic hairs from the left sector.
i read a bunch about old v8 carburated power in this book at border's where they talked about some intake manifold modding not yielding gains, but looses and other yielding up to 15hp (article actually claims 22hp, there was just the engine hooked up to watever testing machine) We are not v8 carburated muscle -we're better ~ vtec- (j/k) but who knows if he picks up 10hp its amazing!
I noticed a huge gain with headers, felt like a totally different car.
are you talking about???Oh and i'd take a carburated V8 over a VTEC V6 any day for pure power and ease of tuning.
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
EXACTLY his car was never dynowed before so we dont know what the gais actually are. there is nothing to compare to. a just before and after would be nice
Yep, I mean he doesn't have headers, but he does have the internal work, and the VAFC2. So I mean if he makes 215+whp we will know there are some gains there. But If he only puts down 200-205whp i'm giving this one a big thumbs down.
01-11-2005, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Yep, I mean he doesn't have headers, but he does have the internal work, and the VAFC2. So I mean if he makes 215+whp we will know there are some gains there. But If he only puts down 200-205whp i'm giving this one a big thumbs down.
01-11-2005, 09:14 PM
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Well the only mod I have on my car right now is the Icebox. I have ordered the UR Pulley and headers but for the next week or so i will only have the IceBoe and this done to my car. I'm sure I will be able to tell you if its worth it or not. If there is difference that you can considerably feel...its good enough for me
01-11-2005, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by take283
Well the only mod I have on my car right now is the Icebox. I have ordered the UR Pulley and headers but for the next week or so i will only have the IceBoe and this done to my car. I'm sure I will be able to tell you if its worth it or not. If there is difference that you can considerably feel...its good enough for me
See, you might feel something yet gain nothing. Or the gains might be so even across the board you won't feel them but they will show up on a dyno.
A dyno is the only way to tell if there is an actual power gain. The 1/4 mile track could be used too, but there are many more variables with that method.
01-12-2005, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
A dyno is the only way to tell if there is an actual power gain.
And as others have said, one dyno run isn't enough. One run before the change is made and a second one after the change is the only objective way to determine what increases were achieved. As mrsteve mentioned, there are too many variables in racing to use it as a measure of improvement.
01-12-2005, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by etxxz
IF HARLEY says he can feel a diff, then it must be an important gain...
01-12-2005, 04:22 AM
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Aahaa...the infamous butt-dyno. It's all psychological and at this point a dyno sheet would be a moot point.
03-26-2005, 05:00 PM
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blokhead .. i still have to post the dynos. i know i know it seems like im holding out but im really not, I promise. Im actually on the community clubhouses computer because my 3000 dollar vaio decided to shit on me today.
The dynos are in my apartment still hanging out. This is going to sound like im putting it off as well, but my all in one scanner/copier/fax machien decided not to scan anymore ... so im like fucked right now lol. I will get them up i promise.
The dynos are in my apartment still hanging out. This is going to sound like im putting it off as well, but my all in one scanner/copier/fax machien decided not to scan anymore ... so im like fucked right now lol. I will get them up i promise.
03-26-2005, 08:32 PM
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If i remember correctly its around 216-218whp with just the intake and port and polish (cANT REMEMBER THE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD)
03-26-2005, 08:59 PM
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hmmmmmmmm.... really. That is with an CAI intake, port and polish, and tuned VFAC? I have to see the papers. You school should have a free scanner in the library. Scan and upload there. These are a large increase for such small mods. I put down 180 whp/ 180 thp with just an CAI, hyperground/voltage, on 19's. That would mean that you pulled out 30 whp more than I did just buy P n P and vfac... Hmmmmm....
03-27-2005, 12:47 PM
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stock tl type s put down low 200s
and the vafc was tuned after the first initial runs .. didnt show much of adifference with it except a smoother curve
and the vafc was tuned after the first initial runs .. didnt show much of adifference with it except a smoother curve
03-25-2010, 12:26 PM
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03-25-2010, 01:10 PM
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I would say once you did all the mods, then i would do it. If its your only mod i wouldnt waste my time unless you had a few hours to waste, a tv to watch and a few beers to drink on a sat out in the garage.
03-25-2010, 01:10 PM
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This old old thread appears to be a big crock of shit. All talk with no proof and tons of excuses to buy time. I bet this Harley guy received poor gains and simply didn't want to admit he was wrong. That shop owner came up short too. This thread should simply stay dead.
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