but both though....., but then again one may have crapped out and he never noticed it

 

then sounds like both fans may be shot, idk


and then the relay not responding, was the car on in the run position with the A/C on???, btw i was putting speakers in my car, and turned on the car for the radio (but not started), and the a/c is on auto, so i know the fans do indeed turn on

 

yea, hell i even turned the car on and tried it. When i first tried jumping the relays (using a 3" piece of 12-gauge speaker wire, only thing around) i heard a click, the same clicking sound i heard when putting the relays back in. But still nothing from the fans.

 

iirc, that actually might be heavy gauge then even the stock wiring, so not a problem, especially if just for testing purposes (but you put that in the engine bay permanently, and it may not last the test of time with oil and such, which is what mainly separates different wiring)

so what you need to do now, is check the available voltage at the fans themselves (the plugs sitting on the fan themselves), with the car on and such
and btw does that clicking sound seem to be from the front of the engine bay, like from the actual fan themselves???

 

tried testing the voltage at the connectors yesterday but i didn't have the car actually on, so if thats the case i'll give it a try in the morning.

When i first heard the clicking sound, it sounded like it came from the relay terminal, then i tried it again and i heard just one click which sounded like it came from the fans direction. Hand slipped after that, didn't hear any sound at all and thats when i noticed no resposne from putting the relays in

 

from where

 

from holding the wire in the relay terminal

 

sounds like you blew a fuse then (shorted it out), check them first then we can start back from where we where lol

 

transmissions dieing

 

, but mine has been for the last 10k miles or so with making me get under 20 mpg :S (was getting like 22-23 when i first got the car though)

 

i knew i was noticing less mpg but today started shifting hard and slipping gears like crazy...and then CE, TCS, and blinking D5 all came on

 

then yeah you are quite a bit further along then i am lol , now light yet (but it was on like almost 15k ago though, turned it off, and has not been back on ), but yeah i know it will turn back on eventually though

 

yea mine did that about 3 or 4 months ago