Jake 6MT

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I want more speed without having to mess with a supercharger and all that stuff so you're build is more along the lines of what I want to do. Are you gonna have trouble fitting it under the hood though? Thats why I don't want to do the type-s motor

Ya I was looking at getting a new car too but there's so much potential in our tl's and I shouldn't get anything with high insurance right before going to college

JCharged

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Well almost everything up top are almost the same as the Type-S. Except for the fact that the Type-S has another butterfly on the IM and 1mm bigger intake valves on the heads.

If you want a more peppy NA car, I say get a hold of Type-S heads with cams, runners, and Intake manifold.

Then find a J35A4 block with the crank, pistons, and rods. Start purchasing rebuild parts, new bearings, seals, and such.

If you want higher compression, RL pistons fit right in. You can get a hold of the Total seal piston rings by contacting them. The piston rings cost about the same as OEM honda.

The tranny you can get from the vehicles posted earlier.

The swap on average can cost to about the 6k to 8k doing it all at once. Unless you find a parts for free.

Let me know if you need any help, I have no problem helping.

JCharged

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For those interested in numbers and such,

Here's a dyno of a friend. Recently just had the 3.5 put in with some mods.

Mods are
XS headers, P2R power plenums, Comptech Icebox, PnP Heads, runners, IM. Apexi VAFC Neo



Pre tune running on CL-S ECU.
276WHP and 248WTQ

Post tune.
278WHP and 252 WTQ

Here's the comparison 3.2 vs 3.5 with the same mods minus the PnP and P2R Power plenums.



This was all on a Type-S motor and ECU. I have a different motor with almost same mods and a different ECU. We will see how it compares.

Nice numbers in my opinion. What do you guys think?

n1njai

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Wow, those are some sick numbers for such a basic build....i love it

fsttyms1

Doing this mod without the type-s heads and intake /ecu isnt really worth it. Not to mention the type-s motor will fit under the hood just fine.

Jake 6MT

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How much would it cost to just get the type-s heads, intake, and ecu with a 3g tl 6mt?

And I guess what I read was wrong about the not fitting. I heard somewhere that the type-s engine doesn't fit right under the 99-01 but you have that engine so I'm gonna take your word

JCharged

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Check car-part.com and or your local junkyards.

You can find alot of things on ebay too.

CJITTY

Wow, I'm still in awe for anyone that does an engine/tranny swap because I don't have the ballz to tackle something like this. Great job!!!!

Once my 100K warranty is up, I may look into this. I have an 03 Type S now, if I just want the six speed tranny and keep my Type S engine, would I just need the six speed tranny? Which would be the easiest route, CLs 6 spd tranny or 04+ 6 spd tranny?

Again, great work on your swap!!

Jake 6MT

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Ya I'll look into that. I want to ask my parents for some of the stuff I need for Christmas so that I can have everything finished by next summer

6MTUA5

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Read Kris' stickied thread about other parts you will need.

CL-S has the LSD

Rajca

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i though that the 04+ 6spds also had LSd

also what are PnP heads?

fsttyms1

PnP= Port and Polish

JCharged

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04+ TL 6MT does come with LSD
03+ AV6 6MT doesn't but you can buy a brand new LSD from dealership for about $850

Hope that clears up things

dvr8675

Also wanted to ask what it was specifically that made the RL motor not fit. I thought it was the same block so I didn't know if it was head design, IM, motor mounts or what. Just out of curiosity.

JCharged

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It could fit with MAJOR modification but it's not a direct swap.

1.It doesn't work with these transmissions. Bell housing is somewhat different.
2.The motor is not exactly the same. They're what I like to call a 1st gen J-series engine and a 2nd gen J-series engine. 2nd gen J switched over to the no-exhaust manifold, one-piece intake manifold and drive-by-wire design.
3.This route is a direct swap and has the same engine mounting setup as our TL-Ps. The CL-S/TL-S' just need crankshaft, rods, and bearings and keep the stock pistons and rings. So there is no need to get a new engine.

Honestly, I would try to fit in the 2nd gen J-series swap before even attempting to throw a new RL motor in our cars.

bigmark89

Awesome Swap man. Looks sweet, Im planning on doing a 6spd tranny swap on my CL-S really soon. I've been looking into just getting an 03' CL-S tranny, but since ur saying that the 04' Tl 6spd tranny fits, i might opt for that. Is there any difference in technology between the CL-S tranny and the 04' TL tranny? I also figured it would be alot easier to find an 04 TL tranny.
Also does anyone know a really good shop in north jersey to do a swap

dvr8675

Nice! Its so great to learn so much
Thanks

JCharged

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Parts list are about the same. Only thing is you would need a shifter from the 04 TL. The parts list are the same. There is a member here who did many 6-speed swap. I think his name is Jae.

Thanks. When you getting yours done?

dvr8675

Well I'm starting small, I have spent the last year pushing through delay after delay on my turbo setup. Just started a new job so that should be done in the next month or 2. After that, motor swap depends on my 300ZX TT. The money from its sale will buy the 3.5.

zerep6

i want vids of this car on the road..looks amazing

JCharged

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Good stuff man. Would love to see more swaps happening on Azine.

JCharged

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Here's my tranny swap parts list that I used.
Thanks to Kris A.K.A fsttyms1 and the other Kris A.K.A 6MTUA5.

Not all the parts listed you need but I got them all anyway to be on the safe side. You could get some parts in a junkyard for cheaper and can probably get away with alot less.

All of them have a quantity of 1 unless otherwise noted in bold.

83414-S3M-A01ZA BOOT ASSY., CHANGE LEVER
46922-S3M-A01 MASTER CYLINDER ASSY., CLUTCH
46961-S3M-A02 HOSE, CLUTCH
77230-S3M-A01ZA HOLDER ASSY., CUP
46970-S3M-A01 PIPE B, CLUTCH
50806-S3M-A03 RUBBER, RR. TRANSMISSION MOUNTING
50805-S3M-A03 RUBBER, FR. TRANSMISSION MOUNTING
90166-S3M-A00 BOLT, FLANGE (12X25)
47105-S3M-A04ZA LEVER ASSY., PARKING BRAKE
54310-S3M-A01 WIRE, CHANGE $109.28 $109.28
46960-S3M-A01 PIPE A, CLUTCH $4.30 $4.30
54100-S3M-A01 LEVER SUB-ASSY., CHANGE
50827-S3M-A00 BRACKET, RR. ENGINE MOUNTING
46600-S3M-A51 PEDAL ASSY., BRAKE
46910-S3M-A01 PEDAL, CLUTCH
22100-PGE-026 FLYWHEEL
46928-S3M-A01 SEAL, MASTER CYLINDER
46971-S3M-A01 TUBE, CLUTCH FLUID
22105-PGE-305 CLUTCH SET
90011-PGE-000 BOLT (12MM) Quantity of 8
94201-20350 PIN, COTTER (2.0X35) Quantity of 4
47537-671-670 SPRING, PARKING BRAKE ROD
47522-594-000 NUT, PARKING BRAKE ADJUSTING
47365-538-000 PIN, EQUALIZER
47360-SB2-000 EQUALIZER
46990-S84-A01 BRACKET, CLUTCH PEDAL
46965-S5A-013 TANK, CLUTCH FLUID
54116-SV4-000 PIN, LINKAGE
54357-SF1-003 PLATE, CHANGE WIRE
54118-S10-000 WASHER ASSY., WIRE
46942-S5A-003 PIN, SNAP
46943-S5A-003 SEAL, RING
46944-S5A-J01 CONNECTOR
46911-S70-003 PIN, LOCK (8MM)
46912-S84-A00 PIN, CLUTCH PEDAL
94070-08080 NUT-WASHER (8MM) Quantity of 2
92201-10070-0J BOLT, HEX. (10X70)
94002-12080-0S NUT, HEX. (12MM) Quantity of 2
94050-10080 NUT, FLANGE (10MM)
35710-SE3-A01 SWITCH ASSY., CLUTCH (12MM) (INHIBITER)
36760-SM4-003 SWITCH ASSY., CLUTCH
93403-08016-08 BOLT-WASHER (8X16)
46981-SR3-930 BUSH A, ASSISTANT CLUTCH Quantity of 2
46911-SD4-930 BUSH, PEDAL PIN
46907-SR3-010 SPRING, CLUTCH ASSISTANT
90558-SF1-000 WASHER B, SELECT WIRE (0.5MM)
90555-SF1-000 WASHER A, SHIFT WIRE (1.6MM)
90556-SF1-000 WASHER B, SHIFT WIRE (0.5MM)
90557-SF1-000 WASHER A, SELECT WIRE (1.6MM)
54116-SV4-000 PIN, LINKAGE
54118-SC2-000 WASHER ASSY., WIRE
47560-S3M-A12 WIRE, L. PARKING BRAKE
47510-S3M-A12 WIRE, R. PARKING BRAKE
46968-S3M-A01 BRACKET B, CLUTCH PIPE
46975-S3M-A00 STAY, PURGE CONTROL SOLENOID &TANK HOLDER
90651-538-000 CLIP, BRAKE HOSE Quantity of 2
46944-S5A-J01 CONNECTOR Quantity of 2
90615-PF4-000 RING, SNAP (75MM)
22841-PPP-000 BOOT, RELEASE FORK
22810-PPT-003 BEARING, CLUTCH RELEASE
91206-P0Z-005 OIL SEAL (35X54X8) (NOK)

The engine rebuild parts list is different per engine. Honda uses different codes for the crank and block, So I won't be posting that up but majority of those rebuild parts are simple to look for and common sense to replace.

For future 6-speeders, good luck and please ask if you have any questions. I and many others that have done this swap will try our best to help.

phee

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great! this will definitely help us. you will be telling us final price and what parts werent needed right?

JCharged

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I'll try.

I spent $1600 worth in parts and another $1700 for tranny with LSD.

Don't even ask about the engine rebuild.

phee

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sheesh. im not buying a 3.5. im still waiting to see if the harness works so i can do a turbo with the 99 engine and 6mt. low compression FTW with turbos

JCharged

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I can still turbo.

6MTUA5

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Just giving you a heads up on the clutch master cylinder. The one you got does not come with any of the connectors or anything else with it, just the master cylinder itself. You will also need to get 5, 6, 11, 12, 13 (I know I saw 8 on your list and the others are just bolts).




I have been having a hard time finding number 13, in fact I am about to call the online dealership to see if they figured out what's going on with it. Apparently there was a mix up in Honda's parts database and people all across the US couldn't get that little connector. I found this out by going to a few different dealerships and they all got sent the same part. They actually send the little nipple sticking out of the top of the CMC.

6MTUA5

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Well, I just talked to Paul at Acura Carland (770-232-7956) and he said, "You must have perfect timing because we just got notice that we are going to start receiving that part tomorrow and we can get it sent out."

JCharged

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Awesome. Gonna place an order on those now. Thanks Kris.

fsttyms1

^ Mines from a civic so i didnt have any issues

bowlgers

should i do that to i know parts are ez to find and cheaper

6MTUA5

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False alarm, Inspire

You might want to figure out some other kind of clutch master cylinder because they sent me the wrong damn part AGAIN. I've got another little nipple that connects to the clutch master cylinder to the clutch fluid reservoir. If they still can't seem to figure it out, I'm just going to return all my CMC parts and get a different one. This one we got from the junkyard while doing my swap has seen better days and needs to be replaced soon.

JCharged

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Damn. I will be looking into it this week. Will update.

fsttyms1

Im sure they are all the same, get one from a honda civic or something? (my CL line screws into the civic unit i have)

fsttyms1

??? on some parts you can. As much as you can get from the accord or CL the better.

6MTUA5

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JCharged

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Thanks bro.

6MTUA5

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No problem

Rajca

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damn got pink happy. lol, looks great, and i like the oil cap, where did u get it?

JCharged

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Just hoping it would turn heads at shows, other than the typical black red and polished.

Otherwise My other choice would be just that black, red and polished.

Cap is what my friend gave to me when we were putting the motor together. I'll ask.