<sigh> It'll be just like the CL-S guys, but worse.

Also we're REALLY gonna have to beef up the FAQ section, you know they always storm in with a ton of questions that 10 million people have already asked and had answered.

Oh well, I'll do my best to hold back.

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Kenny
TL

 

 

I think its stupid that a lot of 99-01 TL owners have already come to the TL-S board and talk sh_t about all these little bitty things they hate about the TL-S and how they would never get one. We all have the same car basically, any negative remarks like the ones I've seen lately are just plain gay.

 

Why would TL-S owners bash non S owners? Only ones that would (IMHO) are the people who cant chew gum and walk at the same time. Im jealous that you guys have had all that time driving a TL....! LOL Seriously, all of the TL's are great...I just happened into it at the right time. I was looking at the TL when the TL-S was announced...so I just waited. Ive had Mustang GT's, a Merkur XR4TI and a Taurus SHO....so i miss my horsepower!

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72 Olds 442 Convertible (dual ram air) Play ride
99 Chevy Explorer high top conversion (vacation ride)
94 Ranger Splash 4x4 ext cab. (work/haul ride)
80 Honda CB750F (Shoei/Kerker) wheelie ride
02 TL-S Black/Ebony Underbody/spoiler/wood(due 3/28) MY RIDE
00 John Deere 4 wheel steer (yard ride...hehe)

 

Can't agree with u guys more on this subject.
Don't the 02s, than shut up and stay away.

 

I have to agree with the majority here. It seems that the vast majority of owners or owners-to-be of TL-S's have been pretty cordial to us "lowly" TL owners. After all, it's not we're talkin about Lexus or BMW owners here -- a TL-S is still a TL. Just my $.02

 

Well, atleast they won't ask the foglight question 290918750182341 times!!!!!!!!

 

Hey, if I had a choice between the Premium or the Type-S I would totally have bought the Type-S.... I really like every one of the differences, what kept me from doing it was that I got an unbelieveably killer deal on a 2001, whereas I would have only got a good deal on the 2002, that made the choice pretty simple. The Type-S is a way awesome, there is nothing that I don't like about it!

 

You know what I just thought... and you'll probably disagree with me... but with the price difference of $2350 I would've most likely got the regular TL anyway... you got to admit that 225HP is more than enough and the regular TL is a better buy for the money...

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Out on parole and on best behavior...

 

I agree completely. With my driving record, the last thing I need is 260 HP. A caught myself going 100 two days ago on an open stretch of highway and it didn't feel like was going above 80.

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2001 Nighthawk Black Pearl / Parchment Interior
Acura DVD-Based Navigational system
Burlwood Shifter
Alpine 620 Changer
Heavy Right Foot

 

I dunno guys, its just that I'm afraid the whole Type S thing is gonna get to your heads, and its gonna spill onto the TL image.

Soooo many people chalk up Supra owners as some of the most arrogant car owners as a whole, S2000 owners aren't a far second. Lately CL Type S owners have been added a third to that list. Let's hope TL Type S owners don't tag up there right behind the rest.

I remember a lot of tension and stupidity when the CL guys got their Type S's, back on Honda-Acura.net and even some here, too.

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When I say TL image, I don't want to sound lofty and above everyone else. Its just that we've established ourselves here on the internet. A lot of how people judge TL owners is by the members at acura-tl.com. The same holds true for IS300 owners and is300.net, or ClubSI and Civic Si owners. Tim and the rest of us have established a well working community that's found its place on the internet as the online representation of the Acura 3.2 TL. Lets not spoil a good thing. That's all I'm getting at.

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So, no news here... we'll do what we always do... try to prove that we are superior to them because they paid more for their car and we got the "best value"...

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Out on parole and on best behavior...

 

There are a few jerks in every crowd. For the most part the CLS (& CLP) owners are very cool ppl.

 

LOL....I HAVE seen that on here, but you exaggerate. Its only been 284593389504920 times...



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72 Olds 442 Convertible (dual ram air) Play ride
99 Chevy Explorer high top conversion (vacation ride)
94 Ranger Splash 4x4 ext cab. (work/haul ride)
80 Honda CB750F (Shoei/Kerker) wheelie ride
02 TL-S Black/Ebony Underbody/spoiler/wood(due 3/28) MY RIDE
00 John Deere 4 wheel steer (yard ride...hehe)

 

I'm my observations on the road and on this board, I have always known TL owners to be skilled, courteous drivers. Since the TL-S is still a TL and not another model altogether, I'm sure the Type-S drivers will observe similarly civil behavior.

That's what entry-level luxury does to the driver: we've enough power to accelerate at good speeds; we're concerned enough to drive in a manner so as not to damage our cars; we're not in a Porsche so we're not tempted to blow away everything else on the road or excessively trashtalk lowly Corolla drivers.

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'01 TL with Navi
Naples Gold Metallic
Wings West custom 2-leg spoiler wing
Solar Gard Titanium Tint 43 all around.
Acura logo tire valve stem caps.

 

True.

 

What are u talking about. Why don't u have a life.

 

So I assume that you are saying those first geners with 2.5's are not welcome (sarcasm). Maybe I'm being a little sesitive here, but that last time I checked, the name of this site is www.acura-tl.com. I look at this site as a place for ALL TL owners (2.5, 3.2, TL-S, '96, '02, stock, mods) to come, chill, share, and listen to stories about a badass car, not to show up others or make a social statement about TL owners. There are 1000's of TL owners out there that could care less about this site and the people on it -- probably more than the amount of members on this site. Let your character tell other people about you, not how many mods you have or what your ET is or whatever. All I know is that there are some cool mofos on this site. I would just like to see it stay that way, that's all. Sorry guys, just my $.02.



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Thats right! Were ALL TL owners here and it should be one big happy family.
Not that my 3.2 is better then your 2.5 or the my Type S is better then your regular TL.
I don't think you will see any of that here
I won't allow it

 

That's highly commendable of you to say so Snook. I didn't want to come off like a b***ch, but it just seems like a few people around here are more down with starting sh!t and showing other up than being part of something big. Maybe it's the age thing or something. I won't let a few bad apples spoil this barrel. BTW, your TL IS way more badass than mine!

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Yeah you're just saying that cause you're getting a Type-S.

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1999 Satin Silver Metallic 3.2 TL w/o Navigation

• 18x8 Racing Hart C2s with 225/40ZR18 Dunlop SP Sport 9000
• Comptech Springs, Sways, Exhaust, and Headers
• Red AEM CAI w/bypass valve
• A'PEXi Digital VTEC AFC
• Factory Underbody Kit and Spoiler
• Clifford Intelliguard 9000 Alarm
• Alpine 6 disk CD Changer
• BEL 945i Cordless Radar Detector
• Burlwood Shift Knob & Trunk Tray
• 20% tint

Mugen Grill on order

 

Group Hug!

 

Sorry for flamin so hard earlier. It has been a loonnnng day and I just got set off by a couple of posts today that just rubbed me the wrong way. I need to drink a tall boy and chill the hell out. Just don't want someone that's never been here to come and get the wrong impression about the peeps who bump around on this board, that's all. Please excuse me while I sip on a Heiny.

 

I'm not out to offend anyone or piss anyone off, its just that to remind all of you that were here, and to inform all who are new, there was a little friction when the CL Type S guys were around.

I dunno, I had been on Honda-Acura.net before there was even an Acura-tl.com, and the only guys with modded cars were 1999TL, Jedi, and AcuraTL, when Snook had a 1999 still, and all that jazz. I'd learned so much about the TL, borrowing parts from the Accord V6, what fits and what doesn't, where to get the best prices, group buys, things like headwork, raising the redline, swappable parts from other J-series engines, importing things from Japan... so much information specific to our cars.

My point was that when the CL guys came around, I said cool, its an addition to the family, they had all the same questions that I did when I was new, (nothing wrong with that) all the little gimmicks about the TL/CL, and even some of the more in depth ones about modding and such, and I answered a whole lot of them, not to toot my horn, but I was really helpful to all of them. Then we start getting attitudes like "what are all these TL guys doing in our CL forum" and comments like that. (If HA.net didn't crash a thousand odd times, I'd link you the posts right now)

WTF is up with that?!

After I go through the trouble of extending a helping hand and a year+ worth of experience in the J32 aftermarket, they tell me I'm not welcome?

And you wonder why acura-tl.com and acura-cl.com are seperate. People will tell you now oh everything's okay, Snook and Soopa are good buddies, but its like an ex girlfriend, ya know? There were issues way back when, and it just makes everyone's life easier if we don't bicker about them now, even though they still exist. Just avoid them. (the issues, not the CL guys)


Fellas, its just that I'm concerned that the TL Type S guys may stir things up a bit. Hell it could merely be me and my paranoid self, but there's NO ignoring what's already happened with the CL Type S guys, THAT is certain. I believe that at least my concern is founded, I'm not pulling this out of the air for some of you who don't seem to see my point of view.

Again I'm not out to step on any toes, I just want you all to know what's happened, and what I think should NOT happen again.

I think we'll be okay.

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Kenny
TL

 

Because I have 1000+ posts, Smart Guy. Ha!

I'm a loser because I have concern about our board? Oh I guess since you don't give a damn about it that makes you cool?

 

The Foglights, the moonroof squeak, the dash rattle, the seatbelt rattle, vapor lock, TCS for racing, the seat heaters being to slow, the sub being too weak, the coin eating coin holder, what offset and width rims will fit, if anyone ha sfit 225/50R16's on stock rims, adjusting the lights after a comptech drop because of the rake, hacking the navi to play dvd's, what kits are out for the TL....

The list doesn't end.

 

*LOL*

They might.

 

Why would you think that? The Type-S is just the base TL with some extra goodies. everyone here should realize that, and I'll make that well known in the S forum. If it wasnt for the new TL model, I am 100% sure Id be driving a 2001 TL now. I love the TL period. It just so happens that the S version was available as I was in the market for a car, and I like it a little more, so thats what I am getting. I sure dont think I will be bitter or start ragging on a new version if it does come out in 2004 as some people have said with even more HP. I'll prob love it too. I dont think Honda can go soo far off with the TL to cause me to dislike it.

In the Type-S forum right now the reverse of what you are fearing is occuring. TL owners are in there nitpicking about the Type-S and why they dont like the car the car as a whole for pretty petty reasons.

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Just call me..................Mr Hyde
TL Type-S Moderator
02 Aegean Blue TL Type-S with Navi(on the way)

Accord Forum Moderator/Honda-Acura.net
96 Sherwood Green Accord EX

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Why do you need to "Hold back"?? As you also stated in an earlier post everyone is a newbie once. The changes in the new model in addition to the S will attract more TL owners/enthusiasts than there were before, and those are the questions that a newbie would ask. If the answer is not in the FAQ's how else are they going to get the answer? Would you prefer not to attract any new members, and just make it Current-acura-tl-owners-only.com?? That way you wouldnt be forced to read through newbie posts.

I've been modding over at H-A.net for some time now, and I always want new members to feel welcome; Posts like this arent too inviting.

Yes there are times when it seems like the same post was asked already a million times(well actually it probably was ) Sometimes I answer it, sometimes I dont. I actually like watching a former newbie share something which he/she may have just recently learned with someone else who is just getting their feet wet.

Bottom line I hope every post by a newbie which may have been asked before will be politely answered or referred to the FAQ or Search features of the board, and not met with people jumping down their throats

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Just call me..................Mr Hyde
TL Type-S Moderator
02 Aegean Blue TL Type-S with Navi(on the way)

Accord Forum Moderator/Honda-Acura.net
96 Sherwood Green Accord EX

 

Does this mean they're going to run off and start thier own site? LOL

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2000 TL - Laguna Green, Navi, Rear Spoiler. PIAA Hyperwhite HB's. 17" CL-S wheels with Bridgestone RE 730 - 225/45/17's. Soon to have Comptech Suspension, Sways & Axle back Exhaust.

 

At least you have a positive outlook going into it...

All the posts I've seen from new TL-S owners have been solely about the car... not bashing us lowly non-Type S owners.

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2000 WDP 3.2TL non-NAV

 

Mr Hyde, you hit it right on the head. Firstly, the TL-S is still a TL. Nuff said. I don't like the Supra analogy mentioned earlier -- it doesn't really fit the scenario being painted here. Secondly, I think anyone that has knowledge about a TL and the things you can do it should be proud that someone would choose to come here and ask questions about their car. I was a tutor for high school kids and they would ask the same question time and time again -- but I didn't get all pissed off and tell them to go screw themselves. I took it as a compliment that they would ask me for help. That is the way I think it should be around here. At times I have felt a bit apprehensive about asking a question about my first gen TL because I thought I'd be shot down, and I'm a pretty outgoing person. If people are interested in having this place continue to grow, then I suggest everyone with know how should extend a helping hand to "newbies" with the "same old" questions -- even if it means kindly referring them to one of the read only FAQ's on the topic in question. My point here is that an attitude of "Oh I can't wait to answer the same question for the 18784371437th time" is lame, at least in my opinion. If that is the case, then this place will become stale -- fast. I like to think of this place as "TL University" -- it's just like a university where all the "newbies" or "freshmen" have the same old questions and you guys are the professors. I know may have only been here a short while and don't have even a fraction of the TL knowledge of most people here, but I am pretty observant when it comes to behavior in general and this is just my take on things -- take it or leave it. I enjoy coming to this site A LOT and I hope more people everyday do the same -- as long as they feel welcome, despite their "newbie-ness".

 

Well I think the problems stems from a discussion two or so weeks ago. And I must put another disclaimer up for defense: I'm not pointing fingers or out to offend anyone. But There was a big to-do about the moderators being a little to eager locking threads, and moving ones that were getting lots of good replys. It is my belief that we should have a main forum for general car talk, and all posts about the TL, other cars, TL pictures, stereo and audio questions, technical questions. Then after the posts have fallen to the 5th or 10th page, they should be siphoned off into their appropriate forum. I doubt anyone comes to this site thinking, "Hey I want want to learn about TL technical problems and solutions!" But 99% of us come in and say "Hey I wanna hear about everything TL"

What does this have to do with the discussion? Well Those who are against the idea of having a central general forum complain that there is too much traffic and the topics move too quickly. Well my response to them is to really work on the FAQ section, (with all the things I listed above and all the rest, offsets, tire sizes, rattles etc) And that would I guarantee cut down a lot unnecessary traffic. I personally don't mind answering questions like "Has anyone done a custom catback" or "what's involved in headwork". But I guess I have a shorter fuse for things like the coin eating coin holder.

But this discussion is also two-pronged. Having one general forum would not seperate the Type S owners from the general TL owners. I feel that if we have a seperate Type S forum, perhaps, I'm not saying they will, but its sort of preventative supposition, we might have a haughty Type S owner feel he's above the rest of the 2.5 TL's and 99-01 TL's. And you yourselves say that we're all TL owners and should feel the love, then explain why the Type S guys should feel the love all by themselves.

Anyways, main point to take away from this was that I'm for a main forum and also importantly we need a robust FAQ section, and I don't think we should have a seperate Type S forum.

 

I cant wait until some guy in a TL-s drives up next to me and looks at me like "I have the type s and you dont". I get that look from some CLs Owners. Im not saying that all of you are like that. JMHO.

Rosh

 

I understand that, but did your kids, after you were done tutoring them, go tell you to scram just because you weren't a kid too, or for whatever reason, belittling you. And that, in the form of analogy HAS happened before.

Ya know, who's to say what's going to happen, perhaps we'll all get along just fine, I'm just saying what has ALREADY happened, that is set in stone fact, undeniable, and more importantly unignorable.

Its not people's fault that they weren't around when it happened, but that doesn't mean everything is hunky dory either.

But, then again, you guys seem to be very happy-family like so take 2 might not be as bad.

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Kenny
TL

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I must admit that I was one of those who wasn't here when the CL-S guys did what you say they did, but I don't think it's wise to start a self-fulfilling prophecy by saying you can't wait until "TL-S people start talking crap" when it hasn't even happened yet - LOL. It just seems like an invitation to start a feud that isn't there, which you say has occurred before in the past. I know that I am probably going overboard here, but I can't help myself! I can clearly see your point of view as you've had to go through BS with others in the past -- once bitten, twice shy! Something tells me everyhting will be alright -- we're just a bunch of people with a car called a TL. Personally, I look forward to hearing from the new TL-S owners and what they have to say about their new pimp rides.

You and I seem to have common views here, just you have gone through crap before and I've only read about it -- yet, we both think it would downgrade this board. I am sure it won't come to anything. What I am more puzzled about is how some members are concerned about answering old questions -- that's what comes with the territory of having 4 or 5 of those little stars under your username. If you don't like the responsibilty of helping others, then don't read the posts -- seems pretty simple to me. I would be flattered if someone came to me for advice, that's all. I guess I am just used to helping others, that's all. I can't wait until some people on this board have kids -- then you will know what it is like to answer the same question over and over again!


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Good one, there is old saying: If u don't want to be wrongfully accused for steal melons than don't stand in a melon field. Cause melons field are short and u can't hind eh. However, in real life it is hard to do just that!

 

speaking only for myself ....

I'm picking up 1st acura on saturday and yes it's the new one...

but i wouldn't talk crap to any other tl owner - esp with all i've learned by reading these boards!

on these boards i feel like a poseur - but in real life i'm looking forward to feeling superior to people who paid much more money and didn't get as nice a ride as *we* all have... peace!

 

Don't mess with Sheriff Snook, Ya all hear that now....Play nice!



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2000 TL - Laguna Green, Navi, Rear Spoiler. PIAA Hyperwhite HB's. 17" CL-S wheels with Bridgestone RE 730 - 225/45/17's. Soon to have Comptech Suspension, Sways & Axle back Exhaust.