stiletto

position=Sarcasam. Boredom.

rsq123

Enough with the arguing, you all are losing focus of the most important issue here, and that is:

Where are the pics of the hot chic, AKA vandy786?

2fasttls

Peter, have you ever heard of torque???????? ... you can have 500 horse power and 10 lbs. of torue and I can have that same 225 hp car w/ higher torque and i would beat you ..... common sense .... wow

PeterUbers

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Unfortunately the point you REALLY wanted to make (to try and get under my skin), Mr. Goodwrench, was that the bimmer mated to a manual tranny is putting down a little less peak torque to the wheels than the TL-S (auto, of course), yet w/ the BROADER torque band than the TL-S, and w/ the reduction of weight (by about 200lbs or so), and the ability to shave fractions of seconds w/ faster shifting in a manual (only in the trained hands of a pro) .. the TL-S will potentially lose to the 330Ci....

And, sir, have you ever heard of aggressive gearing? (since we're in the bizness of insulting each other now) .. a 500hp car w/ 10lb-ft of torque geared more aggressively (we're pushing this example .. ) can beat (in a certain given distance) that same 225hp car w/ higher torque ...

hmm... Mr. Goodwrench, can you say S2000? or maybe try .. RX-8 ...

stiletto

dern... I thought that the TL-S had one of the broader (if not consistent) torque curves on the planet... I guess I am wrong, again. Chalk three more for the BMW. Got to love thos dandy <I>bimmers</I>

2fasttls

By all means Pete, I am not insulting you, but giving you an example of what a difference the torque makes. Yes I have fallen victim to the BMW 330ci and not to take any credit away from bimmers I have also beaten my share of 330ci's. I am a big fan of the car and believe its the best car out in the market besides the G35 thats in my budget.

PeterUbers

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2fast --

I respect your opinion of the 330i .. I'm a firm believer in the fact that one's impression of a car (based simply on a race) is going to be mitigated by the outcome. No doubt, I trust you've beaten your fair share, and therefore you've gained a certain opinion of the vehicle.. I've only lost to them (in the manual format) therefore I've appreciated the 330 in a different light. You're a knowledgeable enthusiast, and I've regarded your posts as intelligent and well-based, though the last one seemed to contradict this. I apologize for the misunderstanding .. let the debate continue

paxus

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I care not about acura vs. bmw. Both are excellent cars.

Hey, Peter. I am very interested in what you have to say about the finer points of engine performance and its impact on automobile performance. I love to be educated on this topic, and I only understand some basic principles such as peak HP and torque bands. For example, I have no idea what trap speed is all about and what implications it has.

Further, what can one really derive from a 0-60 or 1/4mi. run? I hear that these runs and their corresponding timeslips can vary quite greatly.

So fill me in on the trap speeds, etc.

thanks duder.

RUF87

TLS 13 - BMW 0

And yes my friend, that includes a manual 330ci, as well as a couple other 330i. And should I mention the 4 M3s that were on the menu? 2 of them manuals with one having some basic mods.

All this with my stock TLS.

BTW - I've also added a couple of SC430s to the menu as well.

Ruf

RUF87

Just in case you are wondering why more people care about 0-60 or 1/4 mile racing. Do you think that perhaps it is because 60MPH is usually the max legal speed limit, or that more than a 1/4 mile significantly increase the risk, or that it's just what they prefer.

Unless you live in Germany where you can run a car up to 160 safely or plan on keeping up with NASCARs, then it does matter.

Personally I like both, but short bursts of fun dominate the scene.

BTW - trap speed is meaningless in 0-60 or 1/4 runs. Nice stats to note you are coming on in the big end.

Also, did it ever occur to you that some cars are setup for the holeshot?

Mine is and as a result I've dropped my trap speed just below 94MPH. Meaning my trap speed is lower now. However, I'm winning more races than before because I'm beating them in the 60', 330' and even 1/8 mile in many case. Just as I've posted in my track results verses a SC430, who's trap speed was almost 4MPH better.

Well let me say this too, 4MPH faster is not enough to catch some one on the big end. Just not enough track left, and that's what usally happens on the street. You run out of clear road and too late, you can't be caught.

It's all about application and utilility. If I lived in a hill country where there are lots of twisties I would have picked a rear wheel drive for sure.

Ruf

CrazyBimmer

Ruf87 sounds like hes got a small dlck


I wish i raced as much as you. You are soo cool my friend

RUF87

And you my friend must be limp because you must get personal

If you can't take the truth then let people be. Why must people like you be the self appointed party poopers. This is a free board to express ones interests and if that means racing or beating Bimmers then so be it. That's their choice.

As for my small **** and slow TLS claims, at least I can prove otherwise. I just love proving know-it-alls and want-a-bes like you wrong. :smokin:

Ruf I don't need a Bimmer to be someone I'm not

CrazyBimmer

you just made no sense.

Whats the truth again? That you like to lie? Sorry for being your party pooper, I take back everything i said then. Congrats on beating all those bimmers. I hope it will make ya happy about your car.

So you know, e36 m3 run low 14s in the 1/4. So damn kid you got one fast stock TLS.

Oh well, carry on.

2fasttls

LOL

RUF87

Yes it does, especially when some young wannabe pulls up and assumes he's top dog.

Thanks, it may be one fast stock TLS . . . any 14 second car is fast for a daily driver.

BTW - I've probably be racing longer than you are old. But if you are older than I think, then you should know that published performance results are nothing more than representative of what the car's potential is. No guarantees it will do it.

And if it make you feel any better, I happen to like the 3 Series, especially the M3.

I'm just an old conservative who doesn't see the need to spend $10-25k more for the car. Now if it were $3-5k difference, then maybe.

Ruf

sleepy

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