rominl

how's that car commpared to ours? i know someone having a 1998 gs400, he is not into racing, but i wanna know if we can beat them? or it will be a close match? or the gs400 will smoke us?

on top of that, how's the peformance between the gs400 and gs430?

evolaerok

I raced my friend in his GS400 and let me just tell you...Good luck! It's a V-8 under the hood. Off the line it will be close, but after 45 he will just start pulling on you like crazy. Our 3rd and 4th gears just suck. V-8's with all the mid torque will just cream us. My dad in his 4.4i X5 always pulls on me after 55mph...

Thai.95LCoupe

I luv that car GS430 Platinum Edition w/ Ebony Interior I'd give my left one for that... But yeah unless u have NOS the TL-S dosen't stand a chance.. But the NSX well...

rominl

oh my, then i think that car is really fast then. he will be selling his car next yr coz' he is going to back to his home country, SHINE!!!!!!!!

so what's the diff between gs400 and 430 except the 300cc increase?

BlackShadow

Time to give props...The GS400/430 is NO JOKE!

BTW, I saw in a mag that the GS400 is .1 sec faster to 60 mph than the GS430. And if I remember correctly, the GS430 is faster to the 1/4 mile.

I am pretty sure a couple of the lexus guys (isicklex, tedc, etc.) will come and answer this question for you in detail. We all know how they like to brag. Don't worry, I would brag too if I had a GS400/430.:p

Thai.95LCoupe

Oh.. the GS 400 is the 4.0 V8 while the 430 is the 4.3 V8.. I've heard that the 430 is compared in preformance to the vette.. Due to suspension power and handling..

paultl

are you crazy???

no contest, i raced my friends gs400 all the time for fun. off the line and on the freeway, i dont even come close....

a gs400 has 310 lbs of torque and 300hp!!!!!

evolaerok

Personally I will take the 400 over the 430 because they got rid of the e-shift on the 430. I rather lose a little performance for control.

rominl

yeah i just noticed that as well. why would they do that, and that means there is no more e-shift or some sort of sport shift on the 430 now?!!

JZ39

Evolaerok is exactly right--no E-shift due to emmission regulations! Also agreed that not having e-shift control over the gears in the 430 would be a serious problem for me--not being able to easily hold gear during cornering etc. would be a problem in a car that big.

Also, the number appear to be essentially IDENTICAL for the two cars in terms of performance. I'm thinking the 430 might give you a little more meat in everyday driving, but when both are wound out it seems like they are just as fast as one another.

They are sweet cars, though, and very easy to make look totally bad-ass!

MedicSonic

6 flat 0-60 and 14.5 in the 1/4. Had a friend of mine run 14.4s at E-Town on saturday.

Sleeper_RENAMED

Similar in performance to a Vette??? I dont think they are even close. The only similarity I can think of is price. The '02 ZO6 Corvette is stupid fast. Less than 4 seconds to 60mph and 12.4secs in the 1/4mile.

Guest

Btw, there is no Platinum Edition GS430, only the 2000 GS300/400 had this option.

And a Corvette will outcorner and outaccelerate the GS430 soundly, I don't even bother, as it would only take seconds for one to hand me my lunch at the ass-kicking buffet.

1SICKLEX

Gs 400/430
3800lbs est , 6250redline
GS 400 fastest 0-60 5.7 sec with E-shift 32v 4.0 liter dohc
GS 430 fastest 0-60 5.8 sec no E-shift 32v 4.3 liter dohc
GS 400 fastest 1/4 mike, low 14's 300hp/310 lbs torque
GS 430 fastest 1/4 mile 13.9 sec 300 hp/325 lbs torque
Gs 430 offers better options (Mark Levinson sound system, perforated leather, better NAV)

My best bud has a new Cl-S, we race all the time, he hangs pretty close(2 car lenghts) but after about 105-110 I leave him. I have never lost to a Tl-S.

Vette killa, uhhhh well, no.

I raced a stingray convitible, he won, not close.
Raced a C5 and from 80-110 he did not leave me, nor did I gain on him so tie.
Just last week I raced a beautiful black Z06, at 80 we both look at each other, he grins, I punch it, he pauses, I am now grinning, he decides to play and at 110 mph whooooooooooooooosh, leaves me like I am standing at the bus stop, that car is NO JOKE!

I say give it a try, it may give you the MOD bug!

magnetic1

auto/stick? lots of different C5s out there

Also.. get a stick driver who doesnt know how to drive... and you could mess with them too :P

Thai.95LCoupe

Z06 is a totaly diffrent breed of vette... The base vette stock could be compared to the GS430

magnetic1

I disagree. I dont see any C5 vettes (coupe/vert) running 0-60 in the mid 5s ....

Thai.95LCoupe

well yeah one's a sports sedan the other is a sports car... totally different..

AC

Man, no VETTE will even come close to losing to a GS period! My buddy has a blue 2001 automatic, again, automatic Vette and he gives me such bad ass whoopins that I feel it the follwing week. Imagine what a much better geared 6spd will do to my 540i. And assuming I go by the Dianan/Hamann figures, hell my car is now at 316HP/354 lbs torque (this is just estimates, but we all know it ain't even close), still get ass whoopins and I have to take it like a beatch whether I like it or not. I'm sorry, the Vette stock or Z06, whatever, will destroy my 540i/GS4's and that's the bottom line.

CoNfUzEd ChIlD

Isn't the GS the fastest automatic equipped sedan . The styling is kinda of quirky though. Doesn't really flow well. I'd rather have a 540i/6 though .

kleeftonsi

Guys the C5s are low 13 sec cars. They are as fast as a BMW M5. No GS400 or 430 is going to hang with a C5. And the Z06 is even faster, like low 12s and high 11s even.

And I would think that a CL or TL-S with headers is going to hang with a GS400. I've seen those cars run 14.3 @99mph a couple of months ago.

You guys are elevating the Lexus GS series. They're quick, but far from fast.

magnetic1

You got that right AC hehehe.

Im running 12.63@114 with intake, exhaust(bypass, x-pipe, catback) modifications! Ive seen STOCK ZO6s (2001s even) that run low 12s. Slightly modified ZO6s run in the 11s.

Also dyno'd at close to 350rwhp

1SICKLEX

Ahh yes, magazine syndrome. Like I said at speed the C5(not sure if manual or auto) did not expand his lead and I'll never forget his face when he looked over at me like WTF. I am sure however from a stoplight, he would have killed me (it is a vette).

And don't believe all the hype about headers.......

Gs was the fastest auto sedan till the XJR and E55 AMG, but to me it is the fastest REGULAR production auto sedan.

I actually like that Z06......

magnetic1

like I said earlier.. could have been an auto.. could have been someone who cant shift...

PhiTL can tell you... when I am on the highway... and downshift into 2nd... your head gets planted into the seat. I can even chirp my tires at 65MPH on the highway! Now tell me a Lex that can do THAT?

1SICKLEX

I know the vette is faster (should be it's purpose is to be an all out sports car) I am just saying that the GS for all intents and purposes can hang with the vette a lil with a couple of people and shopping bags in the trunk, STOCK, that is all.

And I can chirp the tires too, rev the engine to about 6000rpm then punch it (not using E-shift) hell I just did it tonight (and one of the reasons I am replacing my crappy tires with some new ones)

1SICKLEX

NOT AT 65 MPH THOUGH!

typeSmaximum

"The base vette stock" Give me a brake, all vettes have the same power not counting special models, like z06, and the zr1! No such thing as a "base" vette. Only a Vette, or a factory moded vette (zo6) which is easy to do your self to gain that performance on a c5. Heck, when my c4 was mostly stock it could beat a GS400.

You Make it sound like there is a line up of vettes, like base = slow, regular = fast, and top of the line = zo6,

Some cars are like this with your choice of engines, with a Vette there is only fast and faster

paul_huryk

I don't doubt the Lexus is faster, but if a TL-S runs 14.8 and the Lex 14.3, its not that much of a difference. If you throw some headers and CAI on the Acura, its gonna be close. I think the $50k is what makes some on the board think the Lexus is unbeatable.

Vettes are a different story, especially with a minimum 350hp in a lighter car with better gear spreads. I don't remember seeing a newer Vette run worse than 13.2 with a manual or 13.4 with an auto. Not even counting the mph between 107 and 110. The Z06 is even faster, but I haven't seen any at the track yet, so whatever the mags say. Oh yeah, from a 50mph roll, an auto vette kicks down so hard that it will stay with or beat a manual of the same varaition, despite being slower in the quarter mile. Its all about torque and the throttle being wide open as it kicks down itself. GM knows its automatics.

Even an older LT1 auto Vette will outrun a Lexus, they ran in the mid-high 13's easy. The LT4 cars ran 13.0 in case you didn't know.

I would rather have a $50k Z06 than a $80k M5, but settled for a TL-S because I'm a cheap-ass. But I do have a Camaro that gives me some thrills, but its a sled - just as fast as a Z06.

matt7184

I think there is a lot of magazine syndrome going on. In the real world, you will probably not see times like in the magazines due to traction of the surface. Then when we talk about TLS vs GS4/43, we also have to remember on the street RWD offers great traction from the start. From a roll it might be closer, but the Lexus V8 has excellent mid range power (my old V8 has 90% of torque at 2000 rpms [that's 234 lb/ft!]). Top end isnt a question at all, the Lex wouldnt have a problem due to the gearing of the TL.

evolaerok

I'm not praising this vehicle that much, just when you compare it to our cars our cars will lose. Like I said even with headers and CAI our 3rd and 4th suck, so we'll lose to the GS which gains most of it's power mid range.

1SICKLEX

Typesmax, I know what the Vette is capable of but looking at what I encountered on the street I feel at speed the GS will hang, not beat the Vette. Seeing I have raced the 2 diff versions at the same speeds the Z06 is way faster.

Seeing I race a CL-S all the time I know what the Tl-s can do too.

Heck, we all drive pretty fast cars.

SCWells72

Couple o' comments:

1) The TS-S vs. GS4 has been done to death on this forum. If you want to read some long threads, just search the archives...

2) Even though my GS430 doesn't have E-Shift, it's far from lacking a "manumatic shifter." The gate shifter is made to be moved through the gears manually, and I use it all the time to hold the gears to the redline and to engine brake/downshift at highway speeds. Once you get used to the gate pattern it's literally no different from SportShift (I had a 2000 TL for a year or so).

3) Having had a TL, driven many CL-S/TL-S, and now owning a GS430, I can confidently say that there's a night and day difference between the two cars. I'm not trying to put down the TL-S/CL-S, but the push of the V8/RWD configuration is something to experience!

AC

ie. My 540i

But getting back to the topic. I must say that the TLS/CLS is not by any means a "slow" car compared to the GS4/540 IMO. When I had a used 97 540iA non sport, I raced NovawhiteTypeS off the line. He got a great launch, I had my AC on and Traction on, but that's besides the point, he hung with me I would say neck to neck to about 80 then we shut down. (this gave him all the confidence in the world now, PUNK! ) Considering that the GS4/540i are so comperable in performance IMO, I would say that we would not be able to "kill" them off the line, yet just beat them out to a certain point and then at triple digits run away fromt them.

My definition of walking away is just pulling slowly. Run away, well, the words say it all.

From a moving start from 60mph, I "ran away" from a CLS (Nova my witness).

I can honestly say, the TLS/CLS will give us GS4/540i owners a great, not good, but great run for our money. I will admit, that I have yet to lose to one to this day. I have lost to several GS4's, but won some as well. Have not encountered any TLS/CLS nor GS4's since I had my Stage2, CAI, Tranny Software, and exhaust.

Bartleby

Yeah i know those things are fast, but just look at the sticker, damn!

1SICKLEX

AC I totally agree with you. I must say since I added my Borla, my CL-S bud has noticed me pull away from him quite a bit quicker from 80mph on.....

lonny

Here I go again! Current TLS owner and former '98 GS400 owner. There is not a lot of difference in performance between them. The GS is a little quicker (LITTLE). A good TLS driver can beat a mediocre GS driver. The GS430 is quicker than the 400, but again, not THAT much quicker. As far as handling, there is not a lot of difference either. Where I really noticed the difference is between FWD and RWD. I prefer the RWD. I could "floor it" in the GS and pull away quickly whereas all I get is wheel spin in the TLS, with its lousy tires. Nuff said

evolaerok

Obviously you haven't been canyon carving in the GS, much much more stable. You are not paying 50k for this vehicle for nothing. The quality is much better, balance is remarkable, and of course the engine. Floor your TL-s all the way up to 120mph then brake. The rear will want to come out. Do the same in the GS and you will not get that. I looooooovvve my TL-s, but still lust after my friends GS and my best friends M3. They paid what they paid because the cars are great and have a actual purpose in performance and luxury. Our cars are sport sedans for the budget minded drivers.

1SICKLEX

lonny, you must drive both cars to work and the grocery store because the 2 cars DO NOT drive similar at all. The GS 430 in not quicker than the GS 400.