bibledriver

JUST TO CLARIFY: the D2C do NOT have the ceramic paint. The D2R do. D2S has an extra notch, so it fits into D2R housings. It is the D2R that won't fit into D2S housings. C is probably just a way of saying "compatible" no matter if you have R or S housing. It is not an E-Bay ploy.
As far as light output, I agree, the D2R is less due to ceramic paint.
D2C will have better output.

Also I notice with my new bulbs (Kaixen with diamond technology) that the capsule does not glow red. Maybe due to better crystal manufacture and hence a bit more pricey, but without the crystal becoming somewhat opaque due to turning red hot, less light output is blocked from the source.

Bonedown, if you are strapped for cash, replace the bad ballast, put a good pair of HID's on you wishlist; after all, they are a very easy R&R part. 1 hr if you are laid back. Focus on the problem now, and the mod. later.

02type-s

So then what do I need for my TL?

Bone Down

turns out the bulbs in that auction are phillips so they are not of poor quality, spoke to them on the phone today and unfortunately they only have one kit that would fix my problem and it would require me to hack up my factory harness and that is not an option for me so I am looking for a good used ballast both on the www and via local parts/wrecking yards... so far not having any luck locally for the new/used situation (new pay mega) used noone has them yet.

bibledriver

As far as I know, You can put anything in yours. D2C Kaixens are represented on pg.2 of this thread. Also, go toTHIS THREAD for more pics.

D2R, D2S, D2C should all work in your TL
Get some KAIXEN D2C from the thread referenced above. They warm up quickly, bright, and great optics. As for color, that is up to your own flavor.

bibledriver

keep checking the black market too. Post a WTB: used ballast for yr & model . . . bla bla.
Maybe somebody will respond with one.

01tl4tl

your local auto recyle yard- formerly known as junkyards, will locate the part you need and have it shipped to them from any other yard in the country- they have always had this _hotline_ to the other places

reiserrob2003

i don't know where you get your info from but that is completely incorrect, there is absolutely no more light output from a D2C to a D2R, D2R and D2S were the original HID bulbs, D2R being the one made for the TL, the one with the ceramic shield to keep light from shining into oncoming traffic, D2S is usually used in projector type housing and such, D2C was something made up on Ebay by taking a D2S bulb, cutting an extra notch and painting a stripe with high temp paint. Lets check the OSRAM or Phillips site and see if they sell D2C. I doubt it. As far as light output, they're all the same, unless you change the color temperature in which case the lumen output goes down. Do some research

reiserrob2003

D2S has NO Ceramic coating, D2C does

reiserrob2003

my bad, D2C doesn't have the painted stripe, but does have the extra notch, it's just a D2S with an extra notch to fit D2R

AZP-TL

The lumen output doesn't change with the color temperature either, the human eye just sees less visible light on the spectrum.

bibledriver

The only thing that I have said is without 100% confidence is " D2S will fit in the D2R housing," In which case I said "I am pretty sure." So, as for lumens, my info came from when I looked at these little pieces of paper that are info for each type of bulb - D2S and D2R. Yes, D2S gives more luminous output. YOU research it. The only way that is possible, due to the fact that every other thing is identical, is the ceramic paint on the D2R, which seems to have you quite confused also. "C" does not stand for ceramic, as you seem to believe. MY GUESS is that the C is for "compatible."
AZP, another thing shown on those papers is that lumens drop as K value increases.
I may reference them later, but have duties to perform as of now.

AZP-TL

Yes you are correct, since luminocity is a measurement of visible light to the human eye on the color spectrum. So indeed lumen output reduces as the wavelengths shorten. The total light emitted (radiant flux), however, does not change. I just got mixed up on the terminology.

D2S, D2R and D2C are all 35 watt HIDs. The differences between them are only in their sockets and the fact that D2R lamps have a patch of ceramic coating to block light from reflecting off the mirror and bouncing upwards, giving the appearance of glare. D2C lamps are just lamps made to be universal to both socket types so the company doesn't have to make two different runs and can cut back on costs. They also lack the ceramic coating since they wouldn't work in a projector housing with it.

reiserrob2003

i never said the C in D2C stood for ceramic, I was a bit confused as to whether there was a ceramic stripe on the D2C however, that was my only confusion. I was merely debating the argument that someone had stated they were brighter than D2R due to some sort of chemical or crystaline property of the bulbs. When in fact it is just the lack of the ceramic stripe that increases the light output. To the other guy who quoted me. Pardon the spelling but lumonosity is inversely porportional to color temperature, meaning, as the temperature goes up, lumens goes down, that is a scientific fact.

bibledriver

Ok, we all agree!
Still liking my bulbs!