etxxz

Hi, i have finally decided to do this, i got the mechanic, the mods and the right people to get this done. But first, i gotta order the camshafts. I was gonna buy from an a-Tl member (wont reveal since i dont know if he wants to). But i think i can get better price from a friend in an acura dealer.

1 QUESTION:
Should i buy the camshaft from the 2002 TL-S, 2003 TL-S, 2001 CL-S, 2002 CL-S or 2003 CL-S??

i kinda think they are all the same, but the prices aren't. Reply as you want, i'm buying this camshafts before 2pm TODAY, so they'll be in by monday 20th and the modding/dynotuning be done by monday 27th...hopefully.

this is the link and prices, but i'm getting an additional 10% off...and no shipping:
http://www.acuraoemparts.com/delray/jsp/home.jsp

WISH ME GOOD LUCK, i dont want trannies going or engine blowing up!

*btw i'm also throwing in a -S throttle body...not from this link but as part of the modding session!

@cUr@-TL

hmmm the cams should be the same for all type-s models.. the price might be different cuz of different demand for each car.. i dunno

make sure you post pics of the engine when installing the cams and also post the before/after dyno!! are you getting a v-afc? cuz i heard cams without v-afc doesnt really do anything.


im gonna do type-s cams + v-afc2 in april or may i cant wait

etxxz

yeah, this is what i thought and what my mechanic thought.

BUT, i need to make sure because there's some real well informed duds on this forum.

oh, i already got a vafc.

1fasttl

You have PM etxxz

fsttyms1

i too would like to do this. ill do it around the time i do my timing belt (this winter)

ONAGER

i like your new avitar

bondboy76

yeah im def. lookign into getting type-s T/b, and cams. How much you paying for those 2?

etxxz

Since nobody really touched on the matter, i bought the cams for the 2003 TL-S NAVI and that 3rd thing i dont know what it is but my mech says to get it ($10)

14100-PGE-A00 CAMSHAFT, FR.
14200-PGE-A00 CAMSHAFT, RR.
12240-RCA-A00 COVER ASSY., RR. CAMSHAFT THRUST

if you order from this page you'll get the 3 for 260shipped...i got em way cheaper 'cause friend

Thanks bro, efforts really appreciated! ygpm 2.

1fasttl

Thanks etxxz. Yeah if anybody needs them i can get them for you for $260 shipped in the US.

NYZGREATST

etxxz im gonna get them tomo and install em the day after and get you beat HAHA....na just kidding. i cant wait to hear back from ya man. see what kind of improvements you feel. im done with all my bolt ons so this is my nest step. dont forget to update bro!

moahdriven

damn a type-S throttle body is expensive on the site...if i were to do throttle body id send to kingmotorsports if i couldnt find one for sale.

unlemming

I don't think the TL-P can be bored enough to match the TL-S TB.

patrick

yeah, before/after dyno most important! This way we can see what kind of gains to expect. Good luck!!!

etxxz

hmmm...i'ma look around for a cheap dyno pull...if they charge more than $50 you guys will just have to estimate as i'm 18 and every penny hurts...badly!

the -S cams arrive at the dealer tomorow!! the mechanic will have my car on monday and hopefull get it back by next friday or before. (He's installing cams and tb -not that i coulnt do tb- and also tunning the vafc via broadband (or watever its called -thru O2 sensor-)

After this, i'm taking the car over to apexi and they'll dynotune my tl.
And ladies and gentleman, this will conclude the mods to my car...maybe repainting the car, but no more.

My goal = 300 @ the crank ~ 220-230whp
Expected cost after all of this: $700-900 including parts!!
even though only $300-400 will be coming from me...

i'll keep you all posted



*oh btw, if someone as much as attempts to beat me to this, i will burn your car...

samkws

LOL
can't wait to see that happen

bondboy76

haah watch out etxxs...im buying all my mods in febuary, that means headers, intake, pullies, v-afc,spark plugs, cams, and T/B...you will beat me to it..but im not that far behind you...99' power!!

bondboy76

and i was wondering, do they change the timing belt during any of our milage checkups? Cause i have about 160,000 miles, and i was wondering if has already been changed, and if not, should i change it when i get the new cams?

etxxz

i'm sure they did at the 60k service and the 105k service...IF you went.

Oh, for the great news, my cam just arrived about 10 minutes ago...i was sleeping...how unusual...when my bro just drops those heavy fukers on my bed!! here to share the exitement that caused me a huge boner

the cams:
http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery...5164&uuid=1248
http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery...5163&uuid=1248

*these are 56k friendly
that third thing is some xxx piece i bought just in case = $10

NSXNEXT

iTrader: (2)

etxxz, post a pic of the "other" thing you had to buy.

bondboy76

HAHA Nice man

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

300 at the motor is going to be tough. Even though you have the Type-S cams you don't have the dual stage intake manifold like the type-S does.

Also, how do you plan on having these tuned via the V-AFC if you can't afford more than $50 for the dyno? Dyno's usually cost around $70-85 for two or three pulls. Dyno tuning is usually around $200.

Installing new cams without a proper tune is a HUGE gamble.

patrick

To further add to mrsteve's comments, if one were to add just new cams without tuning, you may get negative performance results. Instead of gaining WHP, you may lose WHP. Tuning is an absolute must for anyone thinking of getting TL-S cams installed into their TL-Ps. This is one of the reasons why I've held back from actually doing this mod...the dyno tuning is gonna cost an arm/leg if you want the cam mod to work properly.

@cUr@-TL

also i doubt you will reach 300hp.

i got my v-afc II a few days ago and will get the cams and get everything installed after winter..i am hoping for around 215whp.

etxxz

ladies...i AM going to tune professionally via wideband first by my mechanic (broadband watever its called -thru O2 sensor-) read my previus posts...i never said i wasnt tuning

i did say i coulnt afford dyno pulling...i can, by a long shot...i just didnt wanna spend more money i could spend on dynotuning afterwards. Oh, btw, i have a connection with "dynamic turbo" (also an apexi store, they did my vafc) where i'll be getting dynotunied for $75/hr

i worked out some numbers with friends and different opinions and combo of numbers and it did seem like 300hp is within reach (start at 170whp, add up my mods + -S TB and -S cams + tuning - 25%tranny loss) -170whp @ 25%tranny loss = 226.xxhp-...How about some opinions from you guys?

that'll be about 75hp added in around $1200 on parts!! (no labor inc. as i installed everything exept vafc and cams)...+watever i spent on the kit and looks and holy crap, i've droped so much of my $$$ onto my dad's car!!!

@cUr@-TL

i wouldnt trust any other way of tuning the v-afc than DYNO. wideband

and about the HP figure, you cant just add up numbers like that, mods work together, not one on top of the other...

i would spend the dough and get the car dynoed. if you can afford a TL, you "should" be able to atleast afford an hour on the dyno...

etxxz

hehe i can't afford a Tl really...its my dad's machine, i just drive it everyday, and basically pay gas and insurance.Meanwhile, he's riding a MB C32 AMG, which is faster, pretier, more reliable, sportier, more luxurious and even more expensive than the Tl.

I'll see if i can do a pull tomorow anytime, because i'm leaving the car to the mechanic on wendnesday.

ooeeehhhm, wideband is an internet connection...i dont know what its called but they use something that reads or works or watever with the O2 sensors to finetune.

NSXNEXT, here's the pic...its the RR cover assemble for the camshaft, it seems to fit perfectly onto the extreme of the RR camshaft...i got it just in case
http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery...5169&uuid=1248
http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery...5170&uuid=1248
http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery...5171&uuid=1248

AND something you'll all enjoy, i saw this in da Bajamas...honda inspire, i just had to take a pic!
http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery...5172&uuid=1248

samkws

you are bad justin LOL

215whp is realistic and hope to see your ride in spring

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

Only tune through a wideband O2 if you already know the optimal AFR that will result in the most power. Without putting the car on the dyno, you won't know what the proper AFR is. Cams need to be dyno tuned, period. Otherwise...

:ibtidestroyedthecylinderheadsonmydadsTL: thread

patrick

It's scary Justin, we think alike! And yeah, 215 WHP is definitely doable with the mods that we have.

etxxz: on a side note, the wide band tuning you are referring to is what you need to do first before you bring your car to dyno tuning (unless the speed shop and the dyno tuning shop is the same place). The wide band tuning brings your specs to the general ball park area (which allows you to drive your car to the dyno shop), then the dyno tuning is used to fine tune your specs to exactly what you need. To my understanding, this is the cheapest method in using the least amount of actual dyno runs to get your specs (as you know, the more dyno runs you do, the more expensive it gets).

etxxz

extensive and expensive dynotuning will be then. Thanks guys. I called 2 places already to see if could do a pull or 2 and they all say its impossible that i gotta schedule before. I'll call 2 more and then give up as i gotta renew my driver's licence and go for an interview at UPS...i need 2 work!

I'll also be talking with my mechanic about dynotuning that shit, to charge me watever as my parental unit will be helping me out (YEAH!!!!) as my christmas gift!!

how much money do you think i'll be spending? (mech's labor = $60/hr, dynotuning $75/hr)

bondboy76

yeah im just waiting to see what gains u get and how much it costs for all the installation. Cause i have to see how my finanical situation is at the moment and if i can afford this in the near furture, and if it is even worth it.

bondboy76

aslo i think im going to buy the cams and the MDX intake manifold at the same time. haha

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

Why the MDX intake manifold?

bondboy76

i heard that it works the best..or would the type-s one be better i dont know im looking into it so any help whould be great.

@cUr@-TL

type-s manifold wont work because of the dual stage "thingy". (actuator, etc)

bondboy76

yeah thats what i heard on v6performance.net there is a discusion going on over there, and some one said the best whould be the 03 MDX one

etxxz

you guys are scaring me...you'll making this cam swap seem so difficult, expensive and complicated. Oh, i coulnt find a place to dyno today, so we'll just have to estimate the gains...i found one place though, but they wanted $100 for 2 pulls (min) and $130 for 3 -nah fuk dat-

1)How long would it take a very experienced acura mechanic to swap the cams (apart from tuning, etc)
2)How much Hp do you guys anticipate from such a swap?

watever the cost, i can pay. furthermore, my christmas gift is pretty much an important part of this bill...if not all. My grandparents and uncle payed the cams...i'm just responsible for watever is left and the -S TB

Tomorow morning i leave the car at the shop...i'll be driving my pimp '86 drifting corolla in the time being...

btw for those into drifting, it IS an AE86 Hatchback (hachi roku!) and yes, its meant to burn rubbar!
http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery...1520&uuid=1248

patrick

Yeah, you read about my post on that didn't you? Well the mods/techies at V6P say that the MDX intake manifold will fit. Going by their advice, you have a pretty good chance that they are right. But the problem is, you may not be able to close your hood with the MDX intake manifold cover on. So in order for this mod to work, you would be running without a cover (if you can live with that). The guys say no problem, you can still run without the cover, but I think it's sorta hokey. Why would you want your intake manifold to be exposed to the dirt and heat in the engine bay? But I guess every person feels different about this.

Second issue: no one has ever done the MDX intake manifold mod. The AV6 guys did the TL-S cam swap, and it works. We know we can do the TL-S cam swap for our TL-P, it works on the same principle. But the MDX intake manifold is different in that who ever does this mod, he will be the first person to do it. I for one am not willing to risk $$$ and try something that isn't proven that it will work. What if it don't work? Are you willing to take one for the team after spending hundreds of dollars on parts and labour trying to make it work? You're screwed if it don't work. But assuming you can make this mod work, it may take more money than you can afford (who knows, until you actually do this mod, you can't really say how much labour it will really cost). With money being tight as it is, I can't really afford to dump $$$ on the labour to make it work.

So those are the two key issues anyone who wants to do the MDX intake manifold mod. So if you got money to blow and you're willing to take it for the team (for good or for bad), then yeah, go ahead and do it. Coz I'm gonna be rooting for ya!

patrick

etxxz: ah, that's why it's always important to find out how much it costs to do something before you buy the parts! and nobody ever said that a TL-S cam swap was easy or cheap!

To answer your questions in order:

1) not sure, but my guess is around 1-2 hours at a minimum. the labour hours does not include the time spent on setting up the apexi a/f, wideband tuning, and dyno tuning (expect an additional 3-4 hrs at the very bare minimum, more hours if there are tuning complications that require more work). someone who knows can correct me if i'm wrong.

2) this i know: AV6 guys with the TL-S cams get somewhere between 10-15 WHP gain (dyno tuned). For our TL-Ps, we should get similar gains in that neighbourhood as well, maybe a little more or less. So @cur@-TL's guesstimate of 215 WHP with all mods (I/H/E/pulley/TL-S TB/TL-S cams) is probably very near the ballpark of what we can expect. But a final dyno graph would be the only way to really know for sure.

mrsteve

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How are you going to get it tuned if you don't go to a dyno?!?!?!?!

You are going to spend an awful lot of money for this swap. I'm not sure how much the cams cost you, but labor to put them in is probably close to 3 hours @ $75-90/hour. Plus a good tune will run $300. With the parts, install, and tune you will be quickly approachingi $1,000.

Your car has the slow 4-speed automatic plus it is a 1999. You would be better off buying the Type-S. I suggest you do NOT install the cams. It doesn't sound like you know what you are getting in to at all. And whatever tech you are dealing with should know that cams need to be dyno tuned once installed. Street tuning even with a wideband O2 is going to be near impossible because no body knows the ideal AFR for the TL (non-typeS) to make the most power. And in my experience with dyno tuning in my CL-S, the AFR isn't flat throughout the power band. It will go rich in VTEC which is where you can lean it out a little to pick up power. Too lean though and you'll be destorying your engine within a matter of a few thousand miles.