I doubt this is possible but, is there any way to fit the NSX engine into the TL-S to possibly make more power out of it? It is basically the same engine, the only difference is the DOHC. I know its 5 less HP but I think if it were possible we would be capable of pulling 450+ HP out of the TL-S. Just an idea that popped into my head. Probably not possible but if it were, I'd like to know.

 

With money, EVERYTHING is possible...

but to be honest, there's no point.......

You can get more power out of the TL-S engine and cost less then the engine swap...

 

a nsx engine is made to move something lite, i think a tl maybe too heavy for you to get the same results.

 

You're gonna have to think about this too....
NSX
mid engine - RWD

Acura TL
FRT engine - FWD

 

The '97 on up NSX engine produces 290 bhp at the crank which is more than capable of moving our tl's with authority. It dispaces about 3100-3200 cc's so touque should be about the same.


My only beef is that this was a "cost is not a problem" design by Honda which means that there's a lot of stuff in this engine that makes a conversion very expensive. Just to give an example it's got six titanium connecting rods that one CAR & DRIVER writer joked that these 6 little pieces of mettle cost more than a brand new Hyundai.


I hope he was kidding though but goes to show how expensive this engine may be.

But then again IF money is not a prob. for YOU then by all means go for it bro, that NSX engeine is worth every dime and w/ a 8000 redline to boot.

 

That has nothing to do with the swap. They both are transversely mounted engines (which spin the same way I believe) and as long as the NSX tranny fits in, the swap shouldnt be much of a problem. It may just be more cost effective to get the 3.5TL conversion.

 

What is the 3.5 conversion?

 

MDX block, camshaft bababababa

 

How much does that conversion cost, and what is the HP rating, stock, off of the conversion? Is it higher than 260?

 

Go here:
http://www.geocities.com/gamesmgr/chod/acura/#Driving15
Scroll around a little and you'll find it. The sit is for my car (the CL) bt it is pretty much te same as the TL.

 

I think it's time that we get a victim to convert his TL to mid engine....Where's NSX4dr when we need him?Oh Charrrrles!
Ed

 

The link about the 3.5 conversion didn't come up. Can u post it again?

 

There are actually two different engines that the NSX uses, a 3.0L, and a 3.2L. The 3.0L

HP Ratings:
NSX 3.0: 252 @ 6600
NSX 3.2: 290 @ 7100

The 3.0L is used on the Automatics, where as the 3.2L is used on the 6 speed manuals. If you could somehow incorporate the 6 speed manual into the equation you'd have an advantage there because you could easily mod for more power without having to worry too much about the tranny. The other thing to remember is the torque, here's some numbers:

TL Torque Ratings:
3.2 TL - 216 lb.-ft. @ 4700 rpm
TL Type S - 232 lb.-ft. @ 3500 rpm

NSX Torque Ratings:
NSX 3.0: 210 @ 5300
NSX 3.2: 224 @ 5500

You'll be loosing in the Torque business BIGTIME without mods. Not only are you gonna get less torque, but it's going to take significantly longer to get it. If you're familiar with moto "Torque wins races, Horse Power sells cars" then you'll want the 3.5L conversion as that will probably be a better torque gainer. I'm from the school that a performance gain in torque is always more beneficial than an gain in HP. Yes you need both, but many of the mods don't do much for the torque department, only the HP department.

 

The last one I saw, was 335hp. The total cost of the TL with 3.5 upgrade, body kit, spoiler, springs, cai, headers, swaybars, was like $40k.

 

In essence, with the 3.5 conversion, headers, cai, exhausts, and the supercharger(coming out next year), wouldn't u end up with like 450-470 HP? Is this possible? I have the advantage of having money and it is not an object for me. So, is it possible to pull out this much powr out of this engine w/o the use of NOS? And finally, wouldn't this put 0-60 at about 4.0-4.5 and 1/4's at about 10.5-11.0? I'm willing to spend 15-20 G's after this car, I feel it would be worth it.

 

The 3.5 upgrade raises your compression ratio, something you don't want to do if you add the supercharger. You might be able to run 1/4 miles in the 12's, but the 0-60 will never reach 4.0-4.5, since most of the HP is high end.

 

wut up,
i know, i'm new to this forum, and i'm not really an expert on cars as some people in this forum are, but i guess i'm kind of simple, n wut i'm saying is u can do wutever, u want 450hp, u can do it, 0-6-60 in ~4secs, i think u can do it, i not gonna give u reasons why u can't or can because simply, i don't know, but i've seen a surburban run 11's, i know it's a V8 and has alot more torque but still that big a$$ truck, this was in a video by the way on the internet, i not arguing with wut people have said before me about things not being possible or the limits of wut is possible, i'm just saying that if u really want it, u can do it, sometimes money isn't the hardest part of modding a car, it's getting new ideas....

i don't mean no ill-will to anybody by wut i said, i just want to show support, n maybe if u figure somethin out, i'll see ur car in person cause i only live 3hrs (2 1/2) if i go 100mph, n i'll see ur car on the cover on Super Street, Honda Tuning, or compact sport cars.....i would love to see ur car running, fuc 12s, i'm talking bout 9s, ask around, find out, not just in this forum, talk to some companies i.e. hks, etc, see wut they got to say, ask some of the hispanic people sellin cars there, i know they sell of lot of cars there.....

Good Luck, sorry bout talkin so long,

Henry

 

hum... here is what I think...

having the money to spend and spend it wisely are 2 totally different thing...

I don't think modding for all our performance is a good idea with the TL... The TL handles pretty well for a car its size, but the chasis are no where as strong as some of the more compact cars, it is FWD, which is NOT the platform that you will want to work on.

And I can ganrentee you that you WILL have tranny problems. So, it's not only about the engine, but you have to upgrade the whole car!!! i.e. stronger chasis, suspension, brakes, tranny, rebuild the engine... EVERYTHING!!!

You will spend as much or more money on the car then what its worth. Now sure you will have an unique car. But if you want something really really different. Get a civic and work on it. If you want lexury and performance. Consider something like the S4, IS300...etc. Cars that got lots of headroom for you to work on.

There are indeed RWD, mid/rear engine civics out there... No kidding... And you will spend less money to buy an extra civic, work on it, and get even better results...

 

I'm not an expert either, but I personally know Doug. He is the one that created the RES and the one that makes the 3.5 TL's. He even told me that the 3.5 upgrade does not improve the 0-60 times by more than a few milliseconds. Second I don't think the tranny nor some mechanical parts of the car can handle more than 400hp at the crank. The 3.5 upgrade does improve the 1/4 mile by more than 2 seconds, compare to a type S.

One solution to our 0-60 times, would be 6 speed manual tranny which would have a closer gear ratio.

A rear whell drive would also improve that time. Softer compound tires would also help.

There are ways, but I personally don't think the TL would ever hit less than 4.5 seconds.

If you want to try, please fell free to do so. Good luck.

 

If you did this I think your engine would blow up.