has anybody done a cl-s 6spd tranny conversion on a tl-s yet? i've searched and found nothing but dead tranny threads.

 

it cant be done unless u rich and want to spend CRAZY MONEY TO REDO just about everything. pretend the idea to do it was all a dream and move on. =)

 

"We have the technology." Yada Yada Yada. If you could get it to work, also with the CL-s Computer, you would then have a tuner friendly Acura Tl Frankenstein, then turbo-charge it! The Tl is hard to tune because the Automatic has some sort of horsepower defeating traction control system.

 

You might as well spend that money on a used Hatch and racing that...

 

adding Forced I would cause too much stress to our trannies.

 

There is a local guy here with a super'ed CL-S 6 speed, he says he blew his first tranny after only 2,000 miles but when he added the tranny cooler to the new tranny its worked great for the last 6,000 miles... but his is a 6 speed, so i guess no way to tell how the autos will handel it... but if you have the $$$ for super in yout TL, you probably have the $$$ for the tranny conversion...

 

Ouch!!! :wow:

 

You'll end up spending almost 9 to 10 k BEFORE labor. 6 grand on the tranny which I think should come with the LSD, a new ECU(ours is OBD-III right?), a new engine mount, and ALL honda/acuras have different camshafts. So you'll need the 6 speed camshafts. Different meaning.....if I bought the integra ls auto, and the integra ls manual.....each of those would have different camshaft specs.

 

I forgot.....you might need a different driveshaft too....not positive though. Oh.....and new gauges to match the 6speed. Oh yeah....the clutch pedal.....geez....the list goes on.

 

Honestly it would probably be cheaper to turn a CLS 6-speed into a 4 door.

 

The six speed costs $6000? That's crazy.

You don't need the different cams. Cams and trannies have little to do with one another. Just because an engine is "optimized" with a certain cam, doesn't mean that it requires it. The auto TL-S engine would do just fine with the 6-speed.

The short list-
-Trans, flywheel, clutch disc and plate.
-Perhaps some half-shafts, but maybe not.
-Not sure about engine mounts.
-Maybe a slight console mod.
-Clutch pedal and hydraulics.

I don't think it'd be as hard as everyone is saying. I'll do it for you at my house for cost of parts, just to disprove all the naysayers. I have a bit of experience installing 6-speeds in old musclecars where they don't belong.

Todd

 

Here is the list from Park Ave Acura as provided on the CL board for a similar topic (except it was about a 2001 CL):

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engine management computer
transmission
flywheel
complete shifter assembly
clutch package
clutch master
clutch slave
clutch hydraulic lines
pedal assembly
emergency brake assembly and cables
engine mounts
engine shock
subframe
axles and stub axle
intake plumbing
catalyst forward exhaust or Comptech header assembly
center console assembly and related minor components

money to install all of this
money to make changes to the wiring harness as needed
time and money to troubleshoot
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You're probably looking around $10k-$12k at least to get this done. Not worth it in my book... but if it is in yours... go for it!!

 

Oh you didn't just say that. Man we're talking a totally different animal. With all the electronics in today's cars, it ain't that simple.


-Not sure about engine mounts.

Yup, they are different. Oh and different headers. Remember all the guys with Comptech headers from the auto saying they don't fit the 6-speed. There is an extra bend in them.

-Maybe a slight console mod.

Slight??? Try new console, remember the parking brake is in the center console on the speed.

-Clutch pedal and hydraulics.

Yeah just a little hole in the firewall, relocating the parking brake to the center console, I'm sorry how would be accomplish that again? I missed that in your post.

Gotta love the "experts" thinking this is a weekend mechanic job

 

Plus, voided factory warranty.

 

screw it... just trade in for a 540 sport 6 speed.

 

I gotta love the naysayers, whose fingers are too pretty and/or delicate to actually pick up a wrench, and try to do something themselves.

Why does the E-brake have to be moved? There's room for the clutch pedal (I've checked), so no real need, unless you need that brake on a hill thing. I don't.

Slight console mod- the stick comes up pretty close to where the auto does, so my slight stands. Make yourself a custom boot.

Engine mounts- perhaps they are different, or perhaps just in a different location. Doable, either way.

Clutch pedal and hydraulics- actually, it IS just a little hole in the firewall.

Exhaust routing- you take it as it comes. Move-em, re-bend pipes, combed parts bins for alternates.

ECU- OBDII is a bastard, but I know a few big brains out there that can help.

By no means would it be a weekend project for the do-it-yourselfer. I never said that- not even close. But to say it can't be done- I live for those challenges.

Anybody close by with a CLS-6 that I can comb over for a few hours? I'll come up with a more complete list. Remember that a dealer will ALWAYS err to a new part, vs. ANY alterations to what you have. That is what differentiates the cost.

I still can't believe the trans is actually $6k. I'd be inclined to go for a rear-end total in a junkyard instead. You could probably get the whole damn drivetrain- engine, downpipes, ECU, shafts, pedals, stick, EVERYTHING, for less than that.

Todd

 

I would think that you could graft some Accord 4 door manual parts over to the TL fairly easliy--afterall, the TL is only an inch longer in wheel base, but the track should have stayed the same. It won't be easy cross referencing everything--ideally, you take apart a CL-6 speed and an Accord with a manual.