How close can I get to a "S" type acceleration performance by tweaking the 225hp 3.2 engine?

Intake? Exhaust?

The 225 versions are more plentiful, and of course cheaper.

Advise?

- Woody

 

ive got intake, exhaust (sorta), pulleys, and headers. Right now i gotta be close to a type-s, but i still need something like VAFC, maby even UniChip...

 

hey im kinda new so can anybody tell me what pulleys,vafc, and unichip are, if u have pictures would be even better

 

typeS has higher compression.
different throttle body.

i don't think the premium tl can really come close.

but it's fun trying.

just don't spend all your money!...
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You could spend lot $$$ on mods to come close to a "S" but it would be cheaper just to trade in and get a "S".

Just my $0.02.

Cheers !!!

 

TL-P - 225 hp
TL-S - 260 hp

TL-P w/ i/h/e/p appx. 260/265 hp
TL-S w/ i/h/e/p =TLP eater

so basically if u have a TLP and add about 1000 or 1500 you can have as much power as a TL-S. plus the TL-P front end looks better IMO.

 

ohhh and i remember Bigman has a 99 or 00 TL with i/h/e i believe and he beat a CL-S by a car or so. what ever happened to him anyway?

 

I don't know. The last time I saw him was in my rear view mirror! j/k

 

.. with enough mods, a TL-P can take a TL-S .. considering the TL-S is stock but like Corey stated, if the TL-S has the same mods as the TL-P, it will likely tear up the TL-P.

P.S. If you TL-P members really want to beat a TL-S badly, just hook up a NOS system (50-75 shot.. nothing big).

 

About how much bump can you get from 1) Intake? 2) Exhaust 3) Unichip(?) 4) other? (On a 225 hp 3.2 engine I mean.)

- Woody

 

This will help. New no mods I did a 15.62 on a 55 degree day. After I/H/E/P I did a 14.995 on a 52 degree day (I say this for showing a fair comparison). Hope this helps.

 

also you should add the milage on it when you ran a 14.99

 

so basically with those kind of mods you can increase about .5 sec off the stock time. ex. if you do 1/4 mile 15.5 then you could run around 14.9 or 15.

 

a TL-P with intake/exhaust (cat-back)/headers/pulley will be even or faster than a STOCK type-S..

then you can add nos, throttle body spacer, 3.5L conversion, etc etc


@cUr@-TL

 

What does a throttle body spacer do?

 

Bigman said that his Helix Throttle Body Spacer did nothing for him...just that nice "whishing" sound...

A throttle body spaces uses a special spiral flow design to increase combustion and horsepower.

 

where can i get a throttle body spacer for the TL? i want the wishing sound

 

Heres a review from the AV6 people..
http://www.v6performance.net/reviews...ort=1&thecat=8

.. Search for 'Helix Throttle Body Spacer'

 

i was doing that as you typed that

dude i saw one of bigman's videos a while ago and his car sounded like it was blowing off, is the throttle body spacer what made his car sound like that? if so i'm gettin one

 

I totally agree.

 

Don't forget the 17" rims and tires.

 

Trade it in like someone suggested for the best cheapes solution and everythign will be factory. Then do the mods if you really want to, to get more than a TYPE S preformance. But to spend close to 2 grand to make almost equal to TYPE S quality is not worth it in my book. Plus when you get the TYPE S, you get other features too, liek the bucket seats, the preforated leather steering wheel, preforated type S shift knob, preforated leather door panel, preforated seats, TYPE-S Headrests, VSA opposed to TCS, Torque sensitive Steering opposed to Speed Sensitive, Bigger and Better looking Stock Rims just to name a few. Also the VTECH engagement point will be better for preformance compared to the way its tuned on the TLP, and if you want to alter that then you have to invest more money on a VAFC.

All in all, it just doesn't make sesne in my book. I think for an extra 2G's its worht it.

And someone posted that I/H/E can bring a TLP from 220 to 265 HP, and honestly if you go to Comptech's sites they have Dyno results done on a regular TL i believe and the maximum HP gain you get with Headers is about 12HP at 5500RPM, and with Exhaust the max you get I think is 4HP and with Intake its another 4HP max. That doesnt even surmount to 20 HP, Im not sure if this info is accurate but someone can go to the comptech site and double check.

 

Headers 16
AEM CAI 8
Pullies 6

That adds 30 to give you 255. If I am wrong then how did I go from a 15.62 stock to a 14.99 modded? AND 160,000 MILES later? To do that I wonder if those mods added even more. I excluded exhaust as it adds very little. Your figures are way low in my book.

 

I agree with both Chucktl and @cur@-TL, if you add I/H/E/P to a TL-P, your modded TL-P will be on par with TL-S performance (if not better).

 

I have not only beaten a 1 CL-S, but i ran one with an intake on the highway as well. Off the Line Both CL-S's had me by a half a car, but by the tiem i hit 2nd, i am already pulling. By about 100 i was up a nice mount. I ran Rondog from 60 on just a few weeks ago and he had me till around 100 after that i started catching up but he shut it down. Then wen ran from 80 till about 130 and i ran him by a few cars. Rondog has i/h/hks mufflers, i have i/h/cat back/ur pullies/helix. Also my 99's 3rd creeps around 127 at redline. I love it. Off the line, rondogs car has me by about 2-3 cars till 100, for some reason i run strong up top. might be the full cat back/header combo. BTW It's good to be HOME.

 

just doesn't seem worth it to me. You can spend all that money and say what you want, but don't forget any TL-S can have the exact same mods and spent the same amount of money getting the mods and dust the TL-P. Then what can you say then? Not much in my book. Just get a TL-S...225hp v.s. 260hp is still quite a bit of room to make up. I got a TL because I wanted the Type-S. I was sold on getting one when they introduced the Type-S. So yeah, thats just my two cents.

 

i hear that 3.5 L conversion is supposed to be crazy, anyone know of the kind of places that do that? how much would it cost exactly? how much power do u get?

 

Ok, just to clarify,

going ahead and "popping for the type-s" is NOT 2 grand more.

Its 2 grand more if your deciding between an 02 or 03 tlp/tls.

I could not afford either, so i went with a 99 TL. at that time, the difference was $10,000, so yeah, modding my TLP is way, WAY worth it over buying type S.

And the Type-S guys can keep ther extra shit.
The perf seats are so uncomfortable, not to mention the headrests are ugly (IMO)
The shift knob on the type-s feels funny to hold, it doesnt fill your hand like the TLP
The perf wheel is no biggie, i got one for free and installed it all by myself.
The perf door panels you guys can keep too cause i really like the style of the wrinkled panels
The blackwood makes it look monotone, which i hate, even though it is kinda cool
I prefer the 99-01 front end over the 02-03 front end

Only thing i wouldent mind having is the 5th gear, the gauges, VSA, and the sound a Type-S makes.

Also, it would only take 5 or 6 hours plus maby $500 to toss Type-S cams and a type-s throttle body right in to a TLP. This, i have already investigated with my acura tech buddie.

Plus the value of the look on the Type-S guys face when he cant pull from you in your 5 year old TL is priceless.

The only thing that you simply cant get within resonable expense on a TLP is VSA and the higher compression ratio.

Not to mention theres a shortage of modded TL-S' in my area so i really dont have to worry about being up aginst one of those....

I/H/E will NOT make your TLP as fast as a TLS.

You really gotta get the combined performace of I/H/E/P and maby VAFC to pass a type s. My VAFC is on the way.

And you dont even really need exhaust on any TL, as the gains are so minimal that in the end your buying exhaust for cosmetic and sound purposes neway.

 

I have a modded p without the vafc and i am running stock s' and pulling on a modded one on the highway, after 100 at least. The fact is that when i got my car way back when there was no S, If there was an S i would have had it for sure, i dont regret my purchase because i love my car. I think the S is worth every penny people pay for it. But since i had no S option, the only option i have is to mod my 99. And its no seceret to many people that my 99 is a beast. Modded and unmodded, S owners have felt my wrath and i have felt their wraths as well. I admit that from the line a modded s will spank me, from a 60 roll you will be amazed how i hang, and after 100 when their 4th gear is chugging away, i am still in 3rd in vtec riding hard. Stock type s is no contest i have had them off the line and on the go many times and i have a couple type s guys that have fessed up to it.

 

you can get the 3.5 liter conversion through velocity resource....do a search on the website i think it was velocityresource.com....and i agree with darkshear, i honestly bought the TL-P cuz i like the way it looks better...plus i want the value sport body kit...so that kinda made my decision even easier...

 

the Type-S still owns you...Like I said, give us the same mods and lets see the the point of the TL-P. As far as for the interior, perforated this, perforated that...That is only a matter of preference. But when it comes to performance, the Type-S still has the upper hand. I think, but the TL-P is still a great car, but the Type-S is still better to me. just my two cents, once again.

 

Yes, the TL-S has better perfomance than TL-P (comparing stock to stock). But let's not forget the reasons why people get the TL-P in the first place (for me, the TL-S was not available). Some people like the TL-P interior more, others perhaps could not afford the TL-S at the time of purchasing, etc, etc. And I believe the point of this thread was whether a TL-P with mods could get stock TL-S performance. The answer is yes. But if you are comparing modded TL-P to a modded TL-S, then of course the modded TL-S will win hands down (but that's not the point).

The point is that some people either can't or won't upgrade their TL-P to a TL-S for various reasons. Sure, I'd love to upgrade my TL-P to a TL-S, but it doesn't make any financial sense for me. With a family to care for and a mortgage, getting the TL-S would not be in my best interest. And I'm sure other people with TL-P have their own personal reasons as well for not upgrading to a TL-S. So I make do with what I have, and enjoy my mods when I have available funds to do so. And that's why we mod our TL-P. And if we can get our TL-P close to stock TL-S performance, that's cool right?

 

Yup, same as the others, in 99 there was no TypeS. I'll run my sloooow TLP against an S anyday.

 

I'm not sure of what people mean when they say they liked the looks of the TL-P over the TL-S. Perhaps people should really say they like the looks of the 99-01 vs the 02-03...

The Type S and the P look the same - except for basically wheels and seats.

Am I right or wrong on this?

 

ur right.
and just to clarify: the 99 TL is roughly .5 seconds slower in the 1/4 and 0-60 than an 00 TL stock. with that said, an 00+ TL-P w/ I/H/E will be as fast, if not faster than a type S.

I wouldn't trade my 00 for a type S simply for the fact that I love the front end of my car. it's perfect IMO, esp. with the Mugen grille. The shape of the headlights on an 99-00 look 1000X better than the new bubbly ones . I'm not hating on the type S or anything, I'm just sayin that I'm happy with my 00. (other than the SHITTY transmission, but thats another subject)

 

i have raced my friends 01 TL on many occasions, when we were stock, whoever had the jump off the line was the winner by a nose. But on the highway i always ran the shit outta him hands down, after 90 he never had a chance.

 

Well, I for one like the front end of the 02-03. Those "bubbly" headlights have sort of a crystal look to them that I like - especially if the outer plastic is clean and clear of scratches.

But, like anything else - it's personal taste.

 

I agree, that a Stock TLP will beat a stock TL-S. And of I know that was the question and I have to agree on the anwers without a doubt. But I do like the old front end of the 99-01 TL's more than my TL-S, but I still love my TL-S. I guess it wouldn't make sense to cough up more dough for a TL-S, but I guess at the time I bought my car, they had the TL-S already. It just made more sense to me to get a TL-S because even with the higher price tag, it was still a better bargain than a IS300 or 330ci, in my opinion. But you TL-P guys have fun with your cars because they are great cars, just don't race me because my TL-S is NOT stock. hahahaha Later fellas.

 

I DEFINITELY don't regret getting my 99 but looking back I probably would have gotten a TL-S and changed the front end to look like my 99, which BTW can be done...somebody posted pics of that awhile ago on here or on ACWRLD

 

What is the difference (in hp/torque) between a TL-P, and a TL-S ? Did I read someone said that they are about equal in performance stock? When did the TL-P come out?

- Woody