Hi,

I have a '99 TL Navi...can't believe its been seven years already! Anyway, does anyone know if there is a way to re-program the engine (electronically) for better MPG? I love the power...but I am getting tired of spending so much on gas!!

Also, anyone tried one of these hydrogen systems? I have been reading up a lot on hydrogen lately and am seriously considering taking the plunge and trying the hydrogen boost system:

"18% to 31% mileage increase" for your car
(this guy is not too far from me)
http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/

A similar device from Canada..."Hydro-Gen users report an average 21% improvement
in their gas mileage"
http://www.savefuel.ca/

Thanks,
Jeff

 

no, its most likely optimized for perfomance/fuel economy from acura already. get a 4 cylinder car if your that worried.

 

No, I don't want a 4 cylinder car. And I am no "worried". I just don't like being raped by "big oil" for no other reason than greed. I can't wait until hydrogen fuels are cars and "hydrogen economy" replaces oil....for a bunch of reasons. But if you have any other suggestions that are actually constructive I am all ears.

Jeff

 

in your reading have you read on how much more it costs to produce hydrogen and store it? Its not a very economical fuel and wont be for many many years to come. We are in our infancy of learning how to make it store it and use it.

and no you cant do any thing with our engine to get more mpg. The best we can tell you is to get a hybrid or a 4 cyl. Jet used to the prices. they are here to stay, and we still have it good.

 

My TL-S gets the same mileage as my old 4 cyl car...

 

yep same with mine,

-- i wont drive a hydrogen car f*ck that, if you cant afford the gas for a 30k car you shouldnt have one

 

just "program" your foot not to mash on the gas pedal so hard. The TL's get great mileage when driven conservatively.

 

>>have you read on how much more it costs to produce hydrogen and store it?<<

That assumes you need to store it, rather than keep it in water until you need it. Imagine a small box in your car that can split water on the fly to power your car. No heavy storage tanks, no mass amounts of hydrogen to worry about leaking through storage materials or being a source of combustion in an accident or your garage (refuting some of the complaints of the the nay sayers and people who have an interest in us using oil)....

"every cubic foot of water contains about 1,376 cubic feet of hydrogen gas and 680 cubic feet of oxygen. One only needs a 4% enrichment of hydrogen to create a flammable fuel for the use in an internal combustion engine. This makes it so that one can get great "gas mileage"from a gallon of water, anywhere from 50 to 300 miles to the gallon."



>>Its not a very economical fuel and wont be for many many years to come. We are in our infancy of learning how to make it store it and use it.<<

We already have hydrogen powered vehicles. Iceland has had hydrogen powered buses for years. But the device I linked to above does not replace gas entirely (yet). Just uses a small amount (produced on the fly) to improve combustion. If it can improve your MPG 20% to 30% why not use it (especially if the payback time is short)? And at $3.00+ a gallon for gas the payback time looks pretty good.


>>and no you cant do any thing with our engine to get more mpg. The best we can tell you is to get a hybrid or a 4 cyl. Jet used to the prices. they are here to stay, and we still have it good.<<

First, the device above may help you get 20% more MPG. And you can improve your driving habits...that is hardly "nothing". Second, I see on the weekend garage car shows all the time where guys are re-programming the engines in their pickups to customize performance. I can change the programming on my Kawasaki 650 Prairie to customize performance...it's done on motorcycles all the time too. There is no way to do the same in a TL? I don't WANT to give up any power in my TL but if it gets me another 3 or 4 MPG I may be willing to do it!

Last night a relative sent me a video of a TV news story from Florida. This is amazing! But the file is 4MB, I can't post it here. I am trying to get the URL to the story, and I will post it here. If what this guy has works as shown (he aleady has a major car maker interest and has been invited to Washington) we may need a whole lot less oil from the middle east and that socialist whack job in Venezuela sooner than anyone can imagine

Jeff

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Here is similar device to the hydrogen-boost for heavy (diesel) trucks guarenteeing 10% better MPG....
http://www.chechfi.ca/sohfitech.htm
http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,69529,00.html

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250 MPG car??
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0508/p01s03-stss.html
"Ford's Model T got 25 miles per gallon, and today a Ford Explorer gets 18 miles per gallon," says Peter Diamandis, X-Prize Foundation chairman. "We believe the time is ripe for a fundamental change in what we drive - and we believe an X-Prize in this area can drive a substantial change."

....its about time!!! Why does it take the private sector again? Why isn't the Department of Energy offering a prize like this?

 

>>just "program" your foot not to mash on the gas pedal so hard.<<

docrob, yep, that is a good starting point!

 

If it were that easy all the car companies would be using hydrogen. its not that easy. Read up on it (and i dont mean the sites trying to sell their product)

No there is no way of reprograming the TL. Our computers dont allow it.

 

No one said it was EASY. The fact is gasoline HAS been cheap. But the time has come, for many reasons, to move on.

>>Read up on it (and i dont mean the sites trying to sell their product)<<

I cited independant sources on these boosters. Here are more links on hydrogen....I suggest you do some reading

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_(molecule)

Hydrogen can be split from water by temperature alone...
High-Temperature Electrolysis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-te...e_electrolysis
Interesting PDF:
www.ne.doe.gov/hydrogen/HTE.pdf

 

fsttyms1 - The Canadian Government has switched MUCH of it's fleet over already to hydrogen... I think the points you are making are of the past. It's no longer that expensive to use.

Deep

 

You will not get power from a hydrogen engine ... Hummer has a protoype H2 (not for production) that runs on hydrogen ... it only produces about 160HP and that is with a turbo charger.

Get a damn Prius!

 

Denny Klien...he is currently developing a Hummer that can run on both water and gasoline...

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBKD7YQIGE.html

http://www.hytechapps.com


Go here...
http://www.wtvt.com/
....and search on "Denny Klien"

...I will email the video of the news story anyone who wants it.

 

Sorry , 180HP ...

http://www.carpages.ca/go/conceptcar...h_concept.aspx

That is probably just enough to get the damn thing rolling!

 

try photobucket.com! create an account, and you can upload videos and images and link to the site. takes a while to do videos but works great.

 

I was thinking something like that! LOL! ROFL! that was great.

 

Ok, I posted it here, enjoy...

http://home.earthlink.net/~jeff810095/WaterFuel.wmv

 

>>That is probably just enough to get the damn thing rolling!<<

hehehe...true, the Hummer is no light weight. But I can tell most of the heavy trucks in my fleet (I own a trucking company) are powered by six cylinder Cummins M11's which produce typically 330 to 360HP. Yet that is enough power (with a 10 or 13 speed tranny) to move 80,000 lbs down the road somewhere north of 70MPH...

 

For anyone interested, here are a few more links I have on producing hydrogen. I think the better idea is to find an efficient way to split water as needed (rather than use a storage system). But if we need to create hydrogen and store it (maybe to heat your home) we humans are learning very fast how to create hydrogen cheaply and efficiently....including using some ideas that are a few BILLION years old, and were used by the first living things on Earth.

Are you engineers at Honda reading all this stuff? ....just kidding, if anyone is it's our freinds and pals at Honda


A news piece on GE's new hydrogen device:
http://www.technologyreview.com/BizT...23,295,p1.html
"....researchers at GE say they've come up with a prototype versionof aneasy-to-manufacture apparatus that they believe could lead to a commercial machine able toproduce hydrogen via electrolysis for about $3 per kilogram -- a quantity roughly comparable to a gallon of gasoline"


Plants Give Up Secret Of Splitting Water
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1072802/posts
"....the team at Imperial College London and Japan Science and
Technology Corp. in Yokohama said they had taken the best pictures yet
of the plant structures that do it every day."

Improve Hydrogen Production by Genetic Methods: Design a Better Nanomachine
http://www.nap.edu/openbook/0309096685/html/61.html


Mutant Algae Is Hydrogen Factory
http://msn.wired.com/news/technology...ss.partnerfeed


Sunlight to Fuel Hydrogen Future
http://msn.wired.com/news/technology/0,65936-0.html
"Hydrogen Solar of Guilford, England, and Altair Nanotechnologies are building a hydrogen-generation system that captures sunlight and uses the energy to break water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen. The company's current project is a fuel station in Las Vegas that will soon be dispensing hydrogen fuel."

 

We have a winner! Just Voted dumbest post in this thread:

"-- i wont drive a hydrogen car f*ck that, if you cant afford the gas for a 30k car you shouldnt have one"

Congradulations on winning!

And by the way, when I bought my TL in June of '99 gas was below $1.50 a gallon, and at one point between now and then got down to .99 cents a gallon. And its just not a matter of being "able" to afford it. Do you like being raped financially? Next time you fill up go in and tell them you want to pay $4.00 a gallon....because you "can afford it". Tell me how it goes hehe

Do the math: if you burn 850 gallons a year, what used to cost you $1275 a year now costs you $2550 a year...and of course you are buying that gas with after-tax money. So you have to make about $4000 just to put gas in your car money bags.

But hey, if that's a good time to you have fun....I'd rather be putting that money towards a new TL or RL!

 

Okay, use it, then. Why preach us on it?

Practical use of hydrogen vehicles for end consumers won't be happening for another 20 years. That's a fact. We don't have the infrastructure or the network, and nobody's willing to fork over the money to get it started. California was supposed to do it, but the plan was scrapped due to costs.

Hydrogen may be the answer to the shortage of oil in the future. But right now, it's not a practical alternative. Sure, there are prototypes running around. Honda is testing their FCX in California right now, and BMW has had a fleet of hydrogen-powered vehicles for a while now, including their best prototype which was based on the last generation 7-series. Yeah, the technology itself works. But does it work in a cost-effective way? Not yet, and not for a while.

 

Preaching?

Original Question:
"Also, anyone tried one of these hydrogen systems?"

....to which I got remarks like:

>>get a 4 cylinder car if your that worried.<<

>>and no you cant do any thing with our engine to get more mpg. The best we can tell you is to get a hybrid or a 4 cyl. Jet used to the prices.<<

>>-- i wont drive a hydrogen car f*ck that, if you cant afford the gas for a 30k car you shouldnt have one<<

......so I responded. Thought this was a forum. If you haven't tried one of these boost systems fine. Then don't talk to me. Or talk to me with the pros and cons of the boost-systems. I'll enjoy that. My hope was, if this seemed to work, get one and let others here know what my experiance was...to help others here in the forum who are interested save some money too.

If anyone out there can show me that this system doesn't / can't / won't work for some reason then tell me why. And I won't waste my money. Otherwise lets avoid blanket statements about improving MPG or hydrogen is something two decades away...when in fact hydrogen technologies are here today and only growing. I just find this almost anger from some at an alternative fuel puzzling....


>>>Practical use of hydrogen vehicles for end consumers won't be happening for another 20 years. That's a fact.<<<

Every journey starts with a single step. But I wasn't asking about pure hydrogen powered vehicles, just a hydrogen boost system that is available TODAY.

Thanks,
Jeff