Who all out there has done the 6-SC in a 2G TL?

I am considering and have a few questions...

 

It's a sticky on the 2nd Gen Forum https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tl-1999-2003-98/6-speed-conversion-591872/

 

I know, I've read the whole thread. I'm really just debating on when my 5AT fails, should I turn to 6M? I just need feedback from people that have done it...

Thanks!

 

do the 6mt. since you have a type-s engine already. it will be pretty simple. no need for new gauges and a bunch of stuff.

 

Anyone have an approximate estimate of costs?

I need to know big things... Cost, fit and finish issues, reliability of 6M. Changes in performance? Big or minor...

 

Honestly do a search. There have been a few that have done it, read their threads. Not one has regretted it. There are modules being made now that make the conversion cheaper. There are NO fit and finish issues, no reliability issues. Performance yes its an improvement. Handling as well (as long as you get the manual trans with the LSD in it)

 

honestly, i think if you are asking all this then a swap isn't for you.

the people who do it know all of these answers before they even considered it for the tl.

 

YO DONT EVEN LISTEN TO THIS CLOWN, THAT WAS THE OFFICAL STUPID POST OF THE YEAR, the guy just wants some INFO, and its ok, if you dont want to help him, but dont shoot him down like that.

Bro just goto the 2nd GEN forums and search 6speed swapp, and seriously TEGKID, this isnt a site for people like you, that dude just asked a simple question and wanted to know a few things, then you tell him a swapp isnt for him?? SWAPPS SHOULD BE FOR EVERYONE, its the money that matters.

 

so they were born with the knowledge?

 

tegkid made a good comment, the op should have searched, a minimum of 5 threads would have been found.

its like asking ppl how to do taxes, what goes where, what is this asking. i suck at doing taxes so i pay someone to do them for me.

a helping hand and or someone that has done swaps would help a whole lot.

 

That's what they all say

but yeah im a noob, and i wouldnt NOT do a 6speed swap just cuz i dont know shit... NIKE.

 

 

i never said they were born with this type of knowledge but you will not figure out how to do this complicated of a thing by reading a forum. do you really think by reading a couple of threads you'll understand everything that is involved in doing this. and even if someone made an amazing diy theres always little problems that occur that you will need experience to handle.

forums are great and helping people by txt and pictures help but sometimes you need experience before you attempt something such as this. and i may be way off but i assume by the way the op was asking questions that he doesn't have the knowledge or the experience to tackle this.

i just don't want to see him spend a few grand, rip apart his car, and unable to complete this when something goes wrong.

 

then he can sell me his parts.lol

 

Sorry guys, I should have searched. But, I have searched before for things and brought up threads of when the TL first came out. People would start threads, Should I get a TL? Everyone was like YES, TL'S ARE AWESOME! NO PROBLEMS HERE! TL-S IS A SWEET RIDE. No one knew that the transmissions would bomb after 30K. I was trying to avoid old information that would lead me the wrong way. But, its all good now. Thanks guys!

I doubt the swap would be that hard... Plus, my dad is best friends with a guy that owns a local transmission shop. I'm sure he could help me... He changed my trans fluid for $20 and always gives me good deals.

Here is the real issue: I have never owned a manual transmission vehicle. I have driven a couple, but they were never daily drivers. So, I never had to depend on my manual-transmission-skills to get me where ever I wanted to go... I'm just debating on whether I am ready to give up the convience of an automatic for the added things of a manual. I have been thinking hard about the 6-Spd swap. Today I went to Little Rock and was going through some parts of the town that were extremely hilly. I was thinking, shit, if my car was a manual, I would never make it. So, I guess if I drove a manual more, I could probably adjust and it wouldn't be a problem.

So, do you guys ever get tired of driving a manual? I talked to a friend who has a Civic that is manual and he said it only gets boring in heavy traffic. (Which I also went through in Little Rock!) I know it kind of falls on personal preference, but what do you guys think? I have a car I could practice on... Maybe start going up and down some hills...?

Any positive info is appreciated...

 

How can we tell you how you will like using a manual transmission? What exactly is your issue with hills? Downshifting to go up them or starting on them? Most people panic when thinking about starting on a hill with a manual tranny. Nightmares of rolling into the car behind them, repeated stalling forcing people to go around you, honking their horn and flipping you off. Like many things in life, the only way you learn how to do it is by doing it, either on the street or in a parking lot. I sure wouldn't loan my car for someone to practice on, not unless they promised to buy me a new clutch when they're done.

It takes coordination between your left foot and your right foot. Enough throttle to not stall, but not too much, learning where the clutch engages in the travel of the pedal. It all sounds complicated, but for most people it becomes second nature, even when driving a different vehicle with a manual tranny. Having said that, some people never get it. Are you one of these people who won't? Converting a TL to a manual tranny could be an expensive way to find out.

The TL is the first car I've owned that had an automatic transmission. The only other automatic I've owned is a full size pickup. In each case, a manual tranny was not an option. If I could have bought a TL with a manual tranny, I would have. I never got tired of driving a manual tranny. However, it's nice getting in my TL, putting it in Drive and going. At the same time, there are roads I've been on where I've thought having a manual gearbox would have been fun. And the manual shift mode in the TL isn't the same as a manual, not even close. In fact, I almost never use it.

What are the 'added things of a manual' you mention?

I'm also not sure why you think the swap wouldn't be that hard. There's a lot to the swap, in the engine compartment, inside the car and with the computer. It's not rocket science, but it's a lot of work and if you are not sure you even want a manual tranny it's a big, expensive bet.

 

And most people assume a swap is like brain surgery. I have a friend that has to be told what end of a wrench to use but he managed to do a motor swap on his civic by him self. People are scared to try because of the thought of removing something like that when in actuality its really no harder than removing a shock. Its just larger and takes slightly longer. Most things can be figured out if you look at it and try. How do you think i did it? There really wasnt a manual for doing what i did. But i sat and looked at the obstacle in front of me and tried to come up with solutions on making it work. Not being afraid to try is the beginning. There is NO shame asking for help when you have tried and cant figure it out. Most things here we can help resolve with pics and texts for those willing to try and be persistent.


Oh and with the modules coming out its going to be FAR less complicated now.

 

Thanks MikePA and fsttyms1!

I have a crap car that I could practice on... Its a five speed... I know how to drive a manual, but I'm just not that good yet. My dad used to have a Dodge Ram Cummins TD and it was manual. But you didn't have to give it gas to take off! It just did it itself. Extremely easy to drive.

He also had a Ranger that was manual, it was little bit harder to drive. I just have to work on the giving gas to start off part, and starting on hills. Once I get going, I can do it. I can start off, but it just takes me like 10 seconds to get the gas right, then I can go.

I tend to accelerate quickly, so I think a manual would be alot more fun than the auto. The "added things" I was talking about for the manual would be better gas mileage (if only slightly), added fun, car will last for forever, I imagine it will be faster...

There aren't alot of hills around in my area, but I still need to practice because I might have to go through some hills.

My transmission I have now shifts fine, but its starting to jerk a little when shifting from gear to gear. It only does it during light acceleration. If I give it alot of gas and let it shift around 4K it does fine and smooth. I remember when it was getting colder- like around September -I was thinking my transmission is shifting alot smoother and quicker. So I know when it starts getting hotter outside my transmission is going to be ready to go...

I don't plan on doing the swap until like May-June, so when is this "module" coming out and any numbers on cost? What exactly does the module do?

Thanks in advance!

 

It sounds like you need to practice driving stick more before you do it to your TL

 

Thanks 6MTUA5!

Practice is definetly needed before I do the switch.

Thanks guys, you all have been great help!

 

what is this talk about the modules? is there a link?

sorry i haven't been around in a while.

 

https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-116/yo-richiev6-699063/

 

I feel for you Allen- I have built engines from bare blocks, swapped an auto for a t56 6 speed in my old T/A, built race cars bumper to bumper- and the MT swap intimidates me for this car.

I think more than anything its the fear of the unknown. If you have any experience working on stuff and are mechanically inclined in the least bit- I think if you get all your ducks in a row, do your research and set aside the time to do the swap you should be fine.

I too am considering this for mine-at 127,000 original miles on my trans Im starting to prep for the future as well. IMO there is no friggin way Im dishing out the dough for another 5AT and not have any guarantee that it will last.

In addition-like the other poster above-this is the only car Ive ever owned that is AT. I would LOVE to have a 6MT. I bet this car would be a ball to drive (its already fun, but I tend to take it easy for the stock tranny...lol)....

 

thanks man..

 

no problemo

 

If you have seriously done all that you will shit on how easy the swap is on the TL

 

Yup-been there done that..

Good to hear though-If I had the extra dough I would go ahead and convert it!