I will answer this in detail when I have some more time.....

Quick facts:

Motortrend July 2000: 6.4 Secs (0-60) CL-s
Motortrend June 2000: 6.7 Secs (0-60) TL

The 0-60 is affected by a lot of factors including altitude, temperature, humidity etc.....the same vehicle measured at different times of the year/even different times of the day, would yield 2 different numbers...turbo/supercharged vehicles have an advantage at higher altitudes....these numbers are interesting but nothing more...

The R&T testers had no qualms about comparing the 0-60 times of the Automatic CL-s with the 6-speed Manual BMW 330 with the sport package...when the majority of the BMW 3-series sold (65%) are with the automatic transmission.....not really Apples to Apples was it ?!!!! Nor does it accord much credibility to the comparison does it ?!!! That the CL-s needed to be compared to the 6-speed manual BMW 330, to make the BMW look good, itself is a credit to the CL-s....




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I don't know if I'd call any 30k car with a 6.7sec 0-60 in an automatic a POS, but thats just me.

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But than if judjing buy your numbers 0-60 time for an M3 should've been around 6.1[can't get to the article, sorry for guessing]... I doubt it very much....
I didn't actually call CL-S a POS, it isn't my any means... but like I said before... if TL claims 6.7 0-60 than why buy the CL-S...

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Just my 2 cents...

 

Grishulia, buddy, they did not just publish the 0-60 figure...they also published the 0-30, 0-40, 0-50, 0-60, 0-70, 0-80, 0-90 along with the quarter mile...so it is not a 0-60 number they pulled out of thin air....FYI

Also, if we look at the articles in Motortrend, the TL and the CL-s have an identical 0-30 time...but it is CL-s all the way after that in 0-40, 0-50, 0-60 (6.4), 0-70, 0-80...and the quarter mile...incidentally, the CL-s thrashes the BMW 328Ci 5-speed automatic in acceleration figures....maybe that is why, the BMW 330 test by Road and Track was done with the 6-speed manual...

Also, did my above comment about variation in 0-60 due to altitude, temperature, humidity etc., make any sense ?!!! That, on the same day at the same time, if the TL and the CL-s were run back to back, you would definitely find that the CL-s has some more horses under the hood....


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All I know is my TL really moves and therefore moves me....

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Don't blame R&T. I read the story too and they simply picked the best configuration, in their opinion, for 330i and CL-S.
If you need somebody to blame, blame Acura for not offering the manual.
I have not driven CL-S (don't particularly like to drive ugly cars), but it's anything like the TL, which it appears to be at least similar, the 330 is much more of driver's car.
I've owned BMWs before and that is the reason why I own ES and TL right now. Easier to drive, easier to live with. I don't care about how many Gs or whether it takes 6.1 ot 6.7 seconds. I rarely floor the pedal on my TL as it is.

 

The 330 is more of a driver's car...I agree....but then again, it is barely out of the sub-compact league in size...the sizes we ought to be comparing cars like the TL to, is the 5-series from BMW....size matters a lot in tossability....something like, we cannot put the mercurial Acura Integra Type-R in a head to head comparison with the larger BMW 528 and say that that the BMW was out-classed and humiliated in acceleration and handling by the FWD 4-cylinder Acura....it wouldn't be a fair comparison would it ?!!! Incidentally, in SCCA Pro Racing's Speedvision World Challenge race series, Acura Integra Type R's have won the Touring Car championship every single year since the car's '97 debut. They dominated the 1998 and 1999 race seasons, taking the first, second and third slots in the final standings. BUT....luckily, the Type-R comes with a manual...

About the Acura CL-s not being offered in a manual, I agree....Honda makes the best manual transmissions in the business and even in their "performance" coupe like the Type-s, they have shied away from offering a manual, citing lack of demand....shame on Honda/Acura...


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Around here I've seen some of you post 0-60 numbers for the TL to be around 6.7-6.8, over this weekend I saw a Road and Track article comparing BMW M3 and Acura CL-S... well the number for CL-s was 6.7...
...my thoughts were either some of you guys do a lot of BS'ing or CL-S is a POS[no offense] since with 260HP all it can do is match a 225HP TL...

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Just my 2 cents...

 

As far as I understand Acura themselves compare CL-S to 330i. Do they not?
Also, say you want a well appointed coupe - CLK 320, CL-S, 330i would not only be logical. Would it not?

 

Yep, I compare the TL to BMW-5 on all but price. In fact, I almost got a used 528 ('97) but liked the TL a little more, considering I would have a new car for the same money. Sometimes I wish I would've gotten the 528i. Waaaaaaaaa.

My only consolation is that the '97 528 seems to suffer lots and lots of squeaks/rattles compared to other BMWs. If it hadn't been for that, I would be driving one now. I also looked at the new 3-series (325i), but they were a tad small for my taste. Also shopped the last gen M3s, which tended to be kind of noisy and unrefined compared to the other cars I was sampling.

So, there's your comparison. I even shopped the Z3 2.5, and considered fleetingly the S2000, so I guess I'm a marketer's nightmare!

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Hey... the issue is not that the 330Ci is better than a CL-S, it is but it's not the issue, my issue with this is that TL DOES NOT have 0-60 of 6.7 sec!!!
They tested in Buttonwillow, California...
It was a 5 speed...
Well... they only had 0-40, 0-60, 0-80, 0-100... it's not Car and Driver....
...and the numbers are CL-S vs. 330Ci --> to 40 3.8 vs. 3.4, to 60 6.7 vs. 6.2, to 80 10.9 vs.10.5, to 100 16.5 vs. 16.3....
Judging by your numbers, if R&T got 6.7 out of CL-S and 6.2 out of 330Ci and they missed by 0.3 sec on each car.... 5.9 0-60 for a 330Ci sounds too good IMHO...

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Just my 2 cents...

 

As for how the CL-S got a 6.7? If you read the article, the temp that day was a whopping 101*F! That is killer on a cars performance!

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Even though I didn't find where the article mentioned 101*F, just looked, does it mean that ONLY CL-S got affected by the weather but not the 330Ci or does the 330Ci ONLY needs 5.9 sec to reach 60mph???

Sorry, went over the article again and found the 101*F... still...
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To repeat what I stated earlier with specific figures....since you are continuously repeating the above quoted BS (in bold letters) like a broken record...


Motortrend June 2000 (test of 2000 3.2TL):

Acceleration:
0-30mph----2.5 Secs
0-40mph----3.7 Secs
0-50mph----5.1 Secs
0-60mph----6.7 Secs
0-70mph----9.0 Secs
0-80mph----11.5 Secs
0-90mph----14.3 Secs
Quarter mile, sec/mph: 15.2/93.1mph


Motortrend July 2000 (test of 2000 3.2CL-s):

Acceleration:
0-30mph----2.5 Secs
0-40mph----3.6 Secs
0-50mph----4.8 Secs
0-60mph----6.4 Secs
0-70mph----8.1 Secs
0-80mph----10.5 Secs
0-90mph-------------
Quarter mile, sec/mph: 14.8/96.5mph

grishulia says:

It was a 5 speed...


Okay...but a car equipped with a manual transmission nevertheless....when an apples-to-apples automatic 5-speed was available for the BMW 330....since a majority of the BMW 3-series (65%) are sold with an automatic

 

For comparison purposes, here are the figures Motortrend obtained for the BMW 328Ci with a 5-speed Automatic (apples to apples comparison) in the test with the CL-s in July, 2000:

0-30mph----2.5 Secs
0-40mph----3.7 Secs
0-50mph----5.2 Secs
0-60mph----7.1 Secs
0-70mph----9.2 Secs
0-80mph----11.8 Secs
0-90mph-------------
Quarter mile (sec/mph): 15.3/89.6

Basically, the BMW was thrashed all the way from 0-40, 0-50, 0-60, 0-70, 0-80...and also the quarter mile...hell, even the 3.2TL thrashes the much smaller and lighter 328 BMW with the 5-speed automatic....of course, to make the BMW look good, you need to introduce the manual transmission especially since a manual transmission is not even available in the 3.2TL/3.2CL-s....if the 3.2TL/CL-s were available in a manual transmission, then there would have been no contest whatsoever.....of course, the BMW is a rear-wheel-drive car which is a plus in my book for handling....also BMW has to be appreciated for offering the cars with a manual...while Honda, which used to overwhelmingly dominate all the other automakers of the world during their F1 years (including Ferrari, Porsche etc), persists in not even offering a manual in their "Performance coupe" (CL-s)...

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So who gives a damn what 0-60 times a bunch of old men testing cars get. They probably kept the traction control on, and drove it in auto.

All I know is I've raced SEVERAL 330CI's and I've dusted ALL of them. It all depends on the driver when you're on the road. Not what times a bunch of old farts get. Magazines are ALL different, some say 0-60 in 6.2, others say 6.8.

Who cares, I love my car, and with headers and intake I'm over 300 hp...

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