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Don't even tell me that after I JUST Bought my 03 TLS, I'll be mega pissed that I didn't wait for that one!!

 

I wonder what the trade-in value for a modified 2002 will be? HMMMMM :wow:

 

where did u read this b.s.........i dotn think acuras planning on making a tl faster than a nsx lol =P

 

What complete BS ... 400hp sedan from Acura that the major car mags don't even know about ??? yeah right.

 

 

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umm..... i'd love to see it come true. it would be awesome. but wouldn't that be too big of a jump for acura on the tl class? all the way from 260 to 400? and if that's the case the tl and the accord will still share the same platform? for once i don't think honda will make the accord rwd?

 

a new sedan is also rumored to replace the 4 door integ, so maybe the new TL is going to compete in a higher class

 

I got news for you all... IF Acura is making a RWD 400hp car... it will be the new RL... not the TL. I don't expect the TL will have more then 300hp when it gets redesigned.....

 

400HP TL with RWD...I think I will reach the age of 65 before I see that.

 

Is someone shaking in their boots? j/k

That would be redonkulous (which is more that ridiculous) but I don't think it will happen yet. it seems too big a jump. I'd be happy with a 300 AWD TLS and might consider trading in if that were the case, but we can all just speculate until the 04's actually come out.

 

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I think that car had headers and exhaust as well, to get the 315 hp. You can probably get a 3.2 to 290 hp with just headers.

 

Doesn't the M3 have 333 horses? Just imagine 400...

 

that's the key word here....

 

Are you sure you don't mean a 400Hp NSX? The NSX redesign has been long overdue. There is talk of a V8 or V12 and I can see geting 400 out of it which would put it closer in competition with porsche 911.

What is the marketing strategy in building a 400Hp TL? It will put the car into the $50K+ range and you are not going to get people to spend the extra 20+ grand. Making the NSX 400Hp would put it over $100K but you already have the people with too much money spend paying $90K for an overpriced exotic car. To them, the increase is spare change. I don't have a major in business but it simply doesn't make sense to do something that will cut their production and sales number.

I don't doubt you can a 400Hp TL, just not in production.

BTW. 290, 300, 315, 333 is very far from 400. We are talking about NA car here.

 

This is NOT a TL.

The car in question is a concept car called the DN-X, scheduled to replace the NSX around 2005.

 

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The tranny in this baby may not make it through the test drive

 

Hey,

I don't want to shoot the messenger with this one... but isn't it nice & convenient to throw rumours on an Acura board? From a company that is fantastic at covering their future plans, why would something so huge be 'slipped out' here?

As much as I would love to see a 400hp TL, it doesn't make that much marketing sense to push a sedan way above their flagship car as well as their top-of-the-line sportscar. Why would one release a 2004 model to outperform the NSX (to be released 2005)? Who in their right mind would buy a 2004 NSX? (or does that imply they would even bother building one?)

Hate to jump into threads like this but I think this one doesn't make too much sense. My $0.02...

- derrick
'02 EBP TL Type-S (17 000 km)
mods: OEM trunk spoiler, PIAA 9006 fogs, tints 20% sides & back
future mods: OEM body kit (coming this Saturday!), springs & sways, yellow caliper paint (coming soon...)

 

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Originally posted:

'02 EBP TL Type-S (17 000 km)
mods: OEM trunk spoiler, PIAA 9006 fogs, tints 20% sides & back
future mods: OEM body kit (coming this Saturday!), springs & sways, yellow caliper paint (coming soon...)
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who the hell knows? the same theory applies to the nsx analogy! why would anybody buy a 2003 TL when it's being redesigned for 2004? price for one thing. there will be a difference... what doesn't make too much sense is yellow caliper paint! kman

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TOUCHE! To each, their own.
- derrick

 

Let me just say this i dont think were gonna see a new engine from acura for another two years ....if they were gonna introduce a new high powered engine they would have put it in the new redesigned 02 NsX. As far as a NsX being an overpriced exotic well let me just say this you get what you pay for ... The NsX is still assembled in japan by HAND by a select group of mechanics in there own factory. Since its introduction in 91 it has recieved much praise for its reliability and low maintenace...it was this car that forced other exotic car builders to try and make a better product. Considering the cost of ownership of an exotic over the long run as compared to the other more well established ones i can see why the price tag is such for this piece of automotive perfection.

 

It's already confirmed that there is no V-8 or V-12 coming from
honda. The DNX is supposed to be the platform for the new NSX,
and that is a 400hp ivtec v-6 hybrid. The RL has been stated it
won't get anything crazy... Acura is obviously still marketing the
entry level luxury car. With the RL barely moving up there is no
way the TL gets 400 hp or a V-8. Expect a 3.2 V-6, 6 speed 4
door accord sized to appear. The TL will probably get somewhere
around a 290-310 hp 3.5 V-6 and and RL probably the same
engine plus more Luxury. It might go as big as 3.8... but I highly
doubt a V-8 anywhere in the line up. Especially since they have
no V-8 prototypes and the car is due out next year.

 

There is a limit on the maximum horsepowers it can be placed on a front wheel car without adversely affecting its handling. 290-310 hp with the torque output of a 3.5L-V6 is really pushing it. Maybe a rear drive platform, or even better a 4wd platform.

 

awd would be super nice... just as long as it doesn't add another 400 lbs.

 

Unfortunately it will probably have as much style as my toaster oven.

Possibly the next NSX, but sedan, no way.

 

The Summer issue of Acura magazine (find it at your dealer in his waiting room) has a whole section on the DN-X, which is a concept car they may use to replace or become the new NSX.

(The NSX was also always referred to by Honda as "purely a concept" until it actually came out. Honda does not announce cars in advance.)

The DN-X has a 3.5 liter V6 (not 8 or 12) hybrid electric engine. The current specs show the powerplant at 400hp, with a 190mph top speed, and 0-60 in under 5.0. The car will have four wheel drive and a laundry list of other goodies.

This is straight from Acura :-)

 

Maybe Honda has figured out a way to reduce torque steer in a revolutionary way. Currently, the best example of extreme torque steer would probably be the Max. It probably has around 260 ft/lbs (even though they advertise 246) and this is apparent in most dynos. If you press the throttle heavily on the max, you'll probably hit the car next to you

 

ive actuall felt that starting to happen a few times with the tls when i punched it

 

LMFAO!! hahaha

 

hey I had a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP with 240HP and 280 lbs*ft torque and it did not have much torque steer at all for a FWD car with that much power.

Or take Cadillac Seville STS. 300HP. FWD. I never heard of any big torque steer problems.

 

Considering every car maker now has a rwd sedan trying to have a BMW image I guess it is a possibility Acura may follow suit.

I dunno though, this is the same co. that took FOREVER to make it's own SUV when demand for it was there 5 years ago. THis is the smae co. that will not build a pickup truck (talk about profit margins) though dealers are BEGGING for one.

Very conservative company.

 

Acura did take a while to develope its SUV line however, it is the most popular and in demand SUV on the market. If you are going to do something then do it right.

 

The is a limit to all things, but 300HP+ is doable. And HP is not really the bigger issue here. Torque is.

Just look at the STS where its got 300HP and 295 lb-ft of torque.

So a 350-400HP engine is not an issue here. Especially if it is a V6 engine as they typically will produce less torque than a V8.

Anyway, I'm really curious on what 2004 will bring.

RUF

 

One important thing you've overlooked is that STS is a touring sedan, not a sport sedan like the TL-S and the CTS. In other words, the STS is excellent at driving in a straight line, but will run off the cliffs if you pushes it on the twisties. This is what handling means.

The reason is simple. Torque steer is minimal when you punch it while the front wheels are straight, but becomes more apparent as the steering wheel angle becomes greater or the engine torque output (fwd) is greater. The effect is greatest when appling power to the front wheels while powering out from a tighter corner. To the extreme, the front end of the car will hop, not even slide into a spin. Remeber, the front wheels are doing double the work by having to steer and accelerate at the same time.

 

Not that I quite believe this rumor, but you want to see a former Honda guy come back to the fold...that would be the way to do it. Hell, put a six-speed in that and there would be no more Maxima.ORG members.

Of course, if things stay consistant, Nissan would just release a 395 hp Maxima which was 400 lbs. lighter and we'd all still argue about which was better.

 

400 horsepowers rear wheel drive on the tls.

<Cough>bullsh!t</cough>


Keep dreamin buddy

 

Excellent point. Even if the TLS was able to control 300+ hp by eliminating torque steer, the front is too heavy for dynamic handling. FWD isn't the best format for a sports sedan (or even a sporty sedan). I'm waiting for Acura's response to the G35 coupe. Then lets get ready to rrrruuuuummmbbbble!!!