Seotaji

I can't believe that they are making the TL bigger.
I prefer the size it is now.

Does anyone have any spy pics up?

this is me

some of us can use the extra room. but biiger means more weigh, more weigh means slower. but who cares, thats y there's a boost in HP.

jhalderman

I heard from American Honda in Troy Ohio on Monday (1/20/03) that the 2004 TL will be 3.4 liter and have over 280 HP. In fact the word is that the engine produced " well over 300 HP" and had to be "detuned" to 280 to prevent it from having more power than the NXS.

Raheel

LOL Thats funny, So they basically degrade there car to a lower HP to raise sales for a Higher level car which is low in sales lol...

But where did u hear this info? What Site? I Always saw on edmunds that it would have 3.4 Liter Engine and around 280 HP..

I wonder if Type-S will be the 280 or what?

pianoman41

Quite a few car companies have done this. A few years ago when GM put the new-at-the-time LS6 motor in the Camaro, it came dangerously close to surpassing the Corvette in HP. So they "detuned" it in order to avoid ruining sales of the Vette (and pissing off current Vette owners).

Raheel

Well what u said make sense.. What they did is make the camaro slower by detuning it right?

N/M

Sorry i thought that they were gonna leave the 2004 TL 300 HP but Advertise it 280 HP.. Basically just advertising wrong HP..

fsttyms1

i doubt they would detune the tl to less than the nsx cause there is no way possible that the TL is going to beat the NSX and they are 2 totaly different cars

AcuraTLFan

I think detuning is a reasonable thing todo, if in fact the new 3.4 can dish out 300+. Although the TL and NSX are totally two different cars, how would you feel if a $85K sport car has less power than a $32K sport sedan? Acura TL/CL-S owners are complaning about the 03 Honda with there 240 HP already. I'm pretty confident that minor tunning up the 03 Accord will give you 260+

They could keep it at 300 and advertise 280...but it will only be time before consumers found out and label Acura of lying or even false adverstising.

ABDomega

I assume that in a few years when the redo the NSX it will have well over 300hp. I thought that the new TL-P will have something like the same numbers as the current TL-S and the new TL-S would have around 280hp.

I'm dissatisfied that they are keeping the RL with a V6 and FWD. I could see the V6 if they improve hp above or really near 300 but FWD in a flagship sedan? Do they want to compete?

Raheel

I Never got how a RL which is more luxurious and mroe expensive with a bigger engine is slower than the TL!?? I mean the engine is bigger so dont u think it would be well over 260 but ITS LIKE SLOW AS HELL!?? I dont get what they did.. I mean they detuned the engine on purpose!?

Anyways I think that if infact the TL is Detuned that People into Modding will soon figure out ways to TUNE IT UP faster than NSX and soon FAST! Like i know one of the Audis that if u chip it that it gives u like 10-20 hp.. So its all possible..

FTM-1

From what the Assistant Service Maneger told me the other day at my dealership was the RL was getting a Hybrid engine & would be in the 300HP range.

Gilgamesh

It wouldn't be that big of a deal if they underrated the TL's new engine, Ford has done it with the new 03 Cobra saying that it has 390 at the crank, and I hear that people have dynoed it and it puts about 370-380 on the ground, which is more than 390 at the crank...that car is doing 400, of course they did this to aviod that fiasco with the '99 320hp Cobras.

Maxima02

Never listen to those guys

Seotaji

the RL is slated to get rear wheel drive and a v-8 someday to compete with the other cars.

the TL should be RWD.

having 300HP in a FWD is wasteful and dumb.

FTM-1

Some HONDA people have some insight & others don't. Since I have been a HONDA/ ACURA owner for almost 23 years I know sales people & others that talk smack. But this guy is good people & I still take everything with a grain of salt. But you need to figure that some of the TECH(S) have now started to train on how to service & repair the newer models already. The cars are now less then 6 or 7 months before they get released.

sparky57

I think that is the more likely course for the RL than to engineer a completely new V-8 for such a limited application. Hybrids are the wave of the future and Honda has demonstrated clear leadership. I read somewhere that the DN-X prototype has gotten the thumbs up for production (albeit de-showcar-ized). That will effectively leapfrog all the RWD V-8 luxos with a high performance alternative.







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VTEC Animal

Personally I'm hoping they go hybrid crazy.... If they don't I won't be buying a new TL at the end of my lease. I've got a really nasty feeling that gasoline will double over the next 3 years. I was amazed at what was unveiled at the Detroit auto show this month, I think that the car makers have decided to say "the heck with fuel economy". Hopefully Honda will retain their current philosophy.

Gilgamesh

I wouldn't mind if everyone went to the hybrid, as long as they are not like the hybrid civic its a good car but a damn 10 sec run to 60!??! with a full charge for the electric!??!