I have noticed that once you hit 4th gear you lose a lot of power. In my TL-P I can hit about 120mph before switching to 4th gear. I have yet to take the car over 135mph due to how long it takes to get from 120 to 135. My question is to those that have hit the top end. About how long does it take you to reach top end after passing 120mph? About how much more road do you need to accomplish this?

 

To reach top speed faster, just go down a long hill. That's what I did and I got up to 147 mph. I agree that our 4th gear SUCKS!

 

The problem is that the TL has 2 overdrive gears... 4th and 5th. So 4th gear is geared to be an OD gear thus providing less acceleration....

 

Man, I'd never drive 135mph. Hell, 120mph is too stressful as it is.
Anything over 100mph gets to be too exhausting to maintain.

 

once u hit the ~130-135mph, u'll get back in VTEC range and it'll accelerate a lot faster, it takes about 2 minutes to hit ~148mph at which point the fuel cuts off, it just seems to take forever because everything is flying by, so most of the time u run out of road

p.s. for anyone planning to flame, this is not a thread for u, a person asked a question and he's getting an answer

 

I must be shutting it down just right before the power kicking back in. Now the 2 minutes you talk about, is that from zero or from 120mph? If it's from 120mph, that's a very long time to get through the last 30mph.

Running out of road is something I'm all to familiar with. :-)

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tea elle...a story just for you. My wife is forever saying I'm driving too fast. I can be doing 45mph in a 50mph zone and I'm driving too fast. It's all a perception thing to her, I'm going too fast because I accelerated to get there. On January 1st, 2002 I proved it to her. We had gone out of town for NYE. And on the return trip back I slowly eased it on up to 100mph. I kept it there for a full 20 minutes and she never noticed. I had to point it out to her.

N E way....that just came to mind when you said "Hell, 120mph is too stressful as it is." Stress is having a wife telling you to slow it down when you're UNDER the speed limit.

 

Your 4th gear sucks.
Going that fast on public roads is bad, ummmkay?

 

i like this guy more and more............why is it when i try to tell something that what they have done is wrong everyone jumps my case? hummmmmmmmmm

 

I need VTEC! The big Ones! Make it TWO of them!!!!
haha lolz

how does this vtec kicking in feel? Is it like a strong pull all of a sudden? i should go get some vtec power!

 

Car and Driver tested a Type-S back in July 01 and its stats showed 0-100 16.0 seconds and 0-130 36.9 seconds. The article didn't mention how they achieve those times, whether the transmission was in 5th auto or used the sport shift. However, it appeared that 100-130 took longer than from 0-100.

 

I was just actually joking, that is what the wink smiley means. I was just joking because everytime someone posts a thread about going fast or racing they get dumped on by all the other members here for putting their life and other driver's lives at risk. It gets old when in every one of the speed threads someone has to lecture about the dangers of speeding. You haven't been here too long, so maybe you haven't read some of the other speed threads and all the accompanying lectures, so if you tried to lecture someone about speed then it is no wonder that some of the members jumped on your back about it. I was just joking about it, I am sure that people here know the dangers of going that fast on a public highway.

 

accelaration at high spd is one japanese car's weaknesses...

euro cars are at best...and feel safe for driving such high spd too!!

the vtec from 3.2TL doesn't give the punch like the integra Type R do...it only has SINGLE CAM...while type R has TWIN CAM

so all u can notice is the livier noise above 5000rpm and the extra 10 or 20 hp...but not a boost like the turbo....

for SOHC VTEC cars are not so gd...all except the TL-S one...

 

What are you talking about? accelaration at high speed is one of japanese cars weaknesses?? where do you get that info? not startin with ya but if you look at cars like rx7's,300zx, and the supra they have TONS of top end...and these are all turbo cars and when the turbos are spooled they really go.
i duno much bout euro cars..i never driven ne of them at high speeds but my car felt very stable going at 145 at a slight curb and the road was a bit bumpy and i even went air born for a slight second cuz of the bumpy road. just stating my 2 cents and personal experience

 

my mistake...i forgot to say the details
i am talking in general...not those high hp super cars....

for example, a VW golf can take u to 120mph easliy even it has 115hp...
but a corolla or civic would take u forever even it has more hp..

of coz there are more factors than just that...i know euro cars pretty much and they are mostly solid as a tank...way better than japanese cars...

 

oooops..forgot to say the last sentence it's way better at high high spd...:p

 

WHY WOULD european cars go faster to 120mph? im curious cuz u said u left out the details but u still didnt give more info on why that is so.

if u compare a golf(duno much) and a civic my bet would be on the golf cuz im guessin it would have more torque than a honda and hp at lower rpms and doesnt have to wait till Vtec kicks in

and if you were to compare euro sports cars and jap sports cars..say..
m3 VS rx7 and such other jap cars...the m3 would still pull harder at top end? dats funny..didnt some guy with a tls just post a kill on a 98 m3?

 

My Chrysler 300M felt great at 120mph and wanted to go faster

 

the TL-S (granted i had some help from the headers) felt great at 148mph and wanted to go faster , but then the stupid fuel cut off... its a very errie feeling when u see the speedo climb to 150 and then ur car starts jerking all of a sudden...


i dont think u can make it from 0 to150 within 2 minutes, but i generally dont start out from standstill on the highway :p from cruising at about 50mph i'd say it takes around 2 mins... but once u hit around 130 or so, time really streches... unless u happen to hit that speed all the time, most people tend to get a little nervous and the andrenaline starts pumping... so its an experience... i only did it a couple of times, and the one time i almost got taken by a "charged" yellow box of a VR6(when we slowed down the guy just said charged, didnt say whether it was turbo or super.) i say almost cuz at 150 he was at my rear quarter panel slowly gaining on me and i had nothing else to give, but then we ran out of room, and the second time i was trying to keep up with a couple of bikes and at 150 they just walked away from me like i was standing still as my fuel was cutting off

 

Trust me you don't want a car that is that fast. In my Z, I was messing with a porche 911 TT and I donwshifted into 4th at 127 MPH and the ass broke lose, spun 'em and just took off to 162 MPH and shut it down How's that for having the **** scared out of you? You can have fun and all, but when your ears start to feel like they are being pressurized, maybe you should slow down a little. Never again will I do that while on a major highway!

 

it wanted to go faster but it couldnt!=)

 

What's up!! Whats the top speed on them zo6's from the factory? iknow couple guys with c5's top out at 175mph and i know my car will top out at 155 with my speed limiter but wont you need y rated tires(am i right?) to go a certain speed? Are TL's tires good enough or stable enuff at 140mph+??

I bet your scared the hell out of the 911TT when you did that too!!=)

Happy Speeding

 

ye the tires have to be good enough otherwise its a lawsuit on their hands, thats why its limited at 148, cuz the tires are rated to 149mph, and it is very stable at that speed... although mine is dropped... so i cant speak for a completely stock TL

 

most european cars are more capable of going high spd than most japanese and american cars...they have a tank soild chassis that u won't feel unsafe at all...

in germany there's a hwy called AUTOBAHN...it has no spd limits and it's built across the whole country...and cars on autobahn are going for max spd...even at the right lane cars are going at least 120mph...the V8 bimmers and MBs are going 155mph at the middle lane...and the porsche 911TT maybe running 180 or faster at fast lane!!! even the diesel taxi are running at 120mph all time...

oh...that is the AUTO M3...with only 240hp and 240lb of torque...
mid 5s with the stick but a bit slower with the 5spd auto...and not to mention that car is 4 yrs old already...

yes...M3 can pull a lot faster at top end...coz they don't have overdrive gear!!! the 5th gear ratio is 1:1 and the top spd is 155mph

 

I find it funny because your explanation is totally off topic. I asked you why you said european cars have better top end and you asnwer with AUTOBAHN. Yes, i am very aware of that place(love to go there) and now you even state that european cars pull harder on top end than domestics as well.Where do you get that info? Or is it just common sense that countries with AUTOBAHNS have cars that pull harder on top end. So do countryies make cars based on there speed limits on highways?hm..iduno. do they? Look at VEttes and vipers as for domestics...you dont think they have top end, do ya? I have no comment on the chassis of european cars cuz i duno much bout it. but as far as other jap/domestics sports cars..dont you think they have chassis to make the car stable at high speed? You can say the euro chassis is better but that'll only be your opinion.

 

Classic! You are absolutely right about everything you said except perhaps the last sentence: I disagree that people here know the dangers of going that fast on a public highway. I think a lot of the people on here know how to spend money on high performance mods, but that doesn't make them wize or experienced drivers.

 

True! I am just giving most people the benefit of the doubt. I am sure we have all seen those gruesome pics that float around the net from accidents (there were ferrari accident pics just recently),or some of us have been in accidents, or some of us have been in a car at a high speed and remember how scary that was and have vowed never to go that fast again. I think, or at least hope, that most of us can make that conscious decision to watch our speed and be safe on the roads.

 

PsyKotiC RydeR

oh yeah, it could and it did many times. You obviously don't know much about 300M, mind if I help you out? - 300M has the same top speed as TL or TL-S and has very nice top-end acceleration. Not too shabby in the lower end either.

One time I caught a late model RX-7 off guard and we both went way past 120. He did not gain, I did not lose. How'bout that?

 

hey man...MOST euro cars don't have the overdrive gear so they can pull hard at the top end...
also my parents owned BMW and Mercedes b4...i know how gd their chassis are...just completely different....
if u have a chance to ride any euro cars like bimmer or mercedes...even volvo, u would know what i am talking about...
if not, i prefer u don't challenge things that i already know and it is the fact... coz it has no meaning if u do so...when u don't know much about it...

i understand y u don't believe it...coz maybe u r driving a supra..
borrow me for a spin and i can compare it with Euro cars!!!

 

Hey Ruski, i was just joking. Dude calm down. thats great you ran with a rx7. I wasnt puttin your car down in ne way. like i said before.. it was all a joke.

 

Me having a supra doesnt even relate to this. You stated that euro cars pull harder in top end. and the reason behind it? you stated simply cuz of their chassis and AUTOBAHN. You even stated that euro cars pull harder than domestics as well as jap cars. Just for the record, i have driven a few bit of euro cars..volvo(recent year) s60 or something, bmw3 series(duno wut year either), jag vendum plus(this even euro?) i didnt do ne top seed pulls on ne of these cars since they were either my boss's new car with around 300 miles and her brothers. and whats this challenge? It was simply a question to to me ur thought need more explanation. ok so if i go "jap cars are the best! cuz its japanese" and leave it as is..u find people to belive that? im not doubting ne performance factors of euro cars..matter of i like all cars including bmw's and such and domestics as well. you said that i challenged you on things that YOU already know..but what do you know? and how would you know? jus cuz ur parents owned euor cars? hm..matter of fact, my dad's first car was a volvo.=) it doesnt matter if i belive you or not. like i said before, i asked you why euro cars pull harder on top end(according to you) and u answer my question with things like ur parents owned it and u know about it and autobahn yadi ya. no answer is expect ne longer for i dont even need one.

 

OH MY GOD!!!

couldn't u see i said because they usually don't have OVERDRIVE gear at the 5th??? i stated that right at the beginning!!!

they are designed for going at top spd so they put the ratio 1:1 into the 5th gear for the better pull at top end....

my friend has the audi A6 2.8 and my another friend drives an Accord V6...
the accord has problem climbing after 110mph while A6 still has a lot to go...hard to believe a car with quattro and a 4000lb out hustle the 3200lb Accord V6...with same horsepower

hey buddie...i hope it is over...shouldn't have flames all over the fourm

 

uh huh and my buddy's C5 cant pull on top end since his 6th gear is overdrive and i bet supra supra cant pull on top end either..considering how my buddy's supra beat a e46.

http://www.mydigitalvideo.net/demos/dothers.htm
click above to see how jap/domestic cars dont have strong top end pull.

 

if the C5 can't pull in 6th gear with its 350lb plus of torque rite from the idle, then chevorlet would have some problem...

i never said SUPER CARS can't pull faster...who doesn't know super cars like C5 can go up to 150mph easily???

i am talking family cars...rite from the beginning...but u r talking the top sports cars...i am talking chickens and u r talking ducks...tha'ts no meaning

 

But Overdriven gears do not have to be a hinderance, so long as the engine is in it's powerband.
Example: my 00 A6 2.7t 6spd has 3 overdrives 4th, 5th and 6th (I don't remember the ratios offhand, I'll dig them up) and they are rather tightly spaced. My car doesn't accelerate as quickly as I think it should from low speeds, but on the roll, it eats up many a car with higher hp and tq numbers. It rips to its top speed (a limited 140 indicated) in 5th or 6th gear. This is because the engine's powerband is so large that it doesn't particularly care which gear it's in.
As long as it's above 1800rpm and below 5000rpm, the car accelerates at pretty much the same rate.
In order to improve your top gear acceleration, you need to make substantially more power in the rpm range where your engine is when it shifts into that tall 4th gear. I had the same situation with my last car (95 Maxima auto with mods). I believe it's exaggerated by the VTEC that you have, whereas the nissan VQ engine had no type of variable valve timing, just a lot-o-torque down low.

 

tls988....thanks for the info from Car & Driver

Zodiaktl.....you got that right, time does tend to stretch. The high speed doesn't get me nervous, the thought of coming across a cop at that speed is what gets me nervous. These days they are making the cop cars too fast. Plus, as I get older....the more I fear jail time.

MillYellZ06.....who said anything about a major highway.....so far all of my speeding in excess of 100mph has been on a road with 45mph speed limit. (during daylight hours).
Btw....what kind of Z? 280Z, Z28 or BMW Z3....I took a BMW Z3 for a test drive once. It was kinda fun, but also scary. That car is to damn squirrely.

 

Hey, Jim! how's the turbo lag? is it good? im starting to notice turbo lag since i have been driving it around town only lately.

i agree with you on ur car being a lil laggy(guess u can call it that) on low end but when u get the turbos spooled i bet ur car really moves!

 

okay...u said EUROPEAN cars pull harder than DOMESTICS/JAPANESE cars as if it was 100% ture.Isnt a M3 a European car? M5? hm..
i didnt ask you questions intentionaly to start a flame war..i just aksed b/c thats the first time i heard nething like that. ]Originally posted by samkws
if the C5 can't pull in 6th gear with its 350lb plus of torque rite from the idle, then chevorlet would have some problem...

i never said SUPER CARS can't pull faster...who doesn't know super cars like C5 can go up to 150mph easily???

i am talking family cars...rite from the beginning...but u r talking the top sports cars...i am talking chickens and u r talking ducks...tha'ts no meaning [/QUOTE]

 

i love their bi-turbo design(twin turbo) and it doesn't have turbo lag at all because they are running at a low pressure of 0.6G??? am i rite??? gotta love those small turbos

and unlike some twin turbos, they open up both turbos together starting at 1800rpm...all the way...

because they don't want turbo lag...it is limited to only 250hp...but i swear...if u chip the car...300hp is on da way...
maybe we can see the OEM upgrade S4 from 250hp to 300-330hp 2 yrs later...

 

mine are sequential..duno know how it is with jims..but dont the s4 in europe already have 300hp orseimthing fromt he factory?

 

PsyKotiC RydeR

when u compare with a family car or small car...there's a significance difference...