Shaqs2002TLS

I've been pressing my buddy for months now to race against his 06 WDP AT (Major sharp looking ride). He finally agreed 2 nights ago and lone and behold I roasted him 3 times. We switched cars for the 3rd race and he (w/ my car) still beat me. I beat him about 1.5- 2 car lenghts for the 1st 2 and then the last one, where he was driving my car, he beat me by about a car's length.

Both cars are stock. I was extremely confused after I one the first time. So I told him we have to race again as I didn't think I'd blow him out by that much. Don't have any mods, and I was looking to see if any hidden mods were in the engine bay, from the previous owner, and nothing.

I always knew my TL drove very strong ever since I raced my buddies GS400. I actually beat him like up to 60. Then after that he went bye bye. I also drove a buddy of mines 03 TLS and noticed mine felt much stronger.

I know the 06 AT TL ranked higher as far as 0-60 but that was NOT the case here. He has like 8K on his car and I have 86K on mine. At the end of the race, he wanted to trade his car back in... It was sooooo funny!!!!

CL Platano

you have a factory freak..

Shaqs2002TLS

.... If that's the case, I better make sure the next car i get is the "freaky" version.

fsttyms1

as far as hondas go his motor isnt even broken in yet. also how does he drive? is he aggressive? as he has a drive by wire setup and it takes time to relearn to beating on it like a race

fla-tls

How fast did you race to?

Comet2404

my 02 TLS seems like a slowpoke to me. I dunno. Anyone in ATL got a stock 02 TLS I can test drive to see how mine compares?

Shaqs2002TLS

0 to 125-130

Shaqs2002TLS

I killed him on take off though.... Not sure how much learning is required from take off that ur computer needs to know. He drives it fast sometimes. Not sure how often. That just kind of sucks for him. Didn't think Acura would advertise 0-60 figures that way. I guess they forgot to mention that you have to wind up your car for a few hundred miles so you could "teach" it to go that fast.

snowman81

Go to the dealer and see if they have a used one you can try out.

sbuswell

i have driven both an 03 tl-s and a 05 TL AT and the TLS felt stronger, not much. I know the throttle-by-wire takes away from the throttle feel, but I honestly think the tl-s is a little quicker.

CL Platano

I have never felt my car to be stronger than my boy's 04 until I put on my AEM CAi and now it seems to pull the same

importvizion

Just returned my Loaner 06 TL...the feel of the pedal is a lot different, the TL-S pedal is more sensitive, while the 06 feels like the pedal from a corolla you don't feel any pressure on the pedal til you hit about half way point. The 06 is a little faster mostly I think because its in better shape than my 02 TL-S but you really gotta floor it to feel the power more than the TL-S....The doors on the 06 feel like they weigh a ton, hafta drop kick the door for it to open same goes with the trunk lid. 11:0 Compression ratio, MFI, 258 hp, 233@5000RPM vs. 10.5:1 Compression ratio, PFI, 260hp, 232 @ 3500RPM .......

maxxxboost

Same, my car feels slow too

Comet2404

I do have comparison on mine, from my 99, and even though I can tell my 02 pulls harder from the start than my 99 did, I think the rest of the performance sucks. Perhaps its the configuration of the transmission, I dont know. I have had a TLS loaner, and I remember it being a bit faster, and more agile on corners. My 02 has 70K on it now, and I'm guessing I need to replace the shocks on it. Who the hell knows, I prolly will call the dealer and see if there is an 02 I can borrow for a few minutes.

S1CK TypeS

i have a 03 TL-S and my buddy has a NBP 04 TL A-Spec with an injen CAI and he pulled about a car length on me from the get go. unless an intake does that much, idk how u smoked a new TL. the A-Spec package is only visual and suspension so that didnt make a huge difference

levon1830

It's inaccurate to quote the new SAE ratings for the 3G TL vs. the old rating for the TL-S. Under the old rating the J32 in the 3G TL is rated at 270 hp and 238 ft.-lbs. of torque @ 5000 rpm.

I do agree that you have to push the 3G to higher revs for it to really start to move, compared to the TL-S (I used to own an '03 TL-S). However, I actually prefer the gradual "taking off" feel that I experience in the 3G . The VTEC engagement seems to be more pronounced than that in the TL-S.

fsttyms1

i find it hard to believe that you beat him that bad. every magazine thats tested the 3rd gen has come up with better #s than the 2nd gen. Deffinatly not a 1.5 -2 car lengths.

TLsu

With the new SAE ratings the TL-S would have about 248hp...What is the weight difference on the cars?

type-s09

ive race an 04 tl and 06 tl ATs in my 03 TL-s. Pulled a car length to 70. My car is stock and so was theres. The 2G should be faster since it has a little more power and i think less weigtht.

Shaqs2002TLS

I have a hard time believing I beat him myself, hence the confusion stated in my original post. As far as questioning whether I beat him by that much or not, that definitely happened. My goal of this thread is to hear ideas as to why it did happen. Maybe others had a similar situation and could put in their input, just like type-s09 had.

levon1830

According to Edmunds.com

'04 TL weight - 3575 lbs.
'03 TL-S weight - 3558 lbs.

I wonder which car is more aerodynamic? They did race up to 125 mph...

Mark - Detroit

So... Did the 06 AT have the traction control turned off. Probably a stupid question - you would never race with it on.

Mark

Shaqs2002TLS

I had mine off when I was driving my 02TLS. I also had his (06 TL) VSA off when I was driving it for the 3rd race.

PiKap335

I've also had a similar racing experience. 02 TL-S (mine) v. 04 auto TL. Both of us had one other person in the car, went from 0-130. I pulled a half car length on him by the end of it. My car is stock besides a K&N, I believe his was too.

I've also pulled on a V8 camaro pretty hard from 0-60 (funny story, camaro, corvette racing and I jumped in. Corvette expectedly smoked us both very badly). Camaro took me after that...

Another time I raced a BMW 330i manual and pulled at least a car length on him as well at about 85 mph.

My car has 75K on it and still feels very healthy.

It is possible- I don't know how it happens, it just does.

snorman

What kind of gas do you put in there? If not 91+ octane that will cause you to lose power. I assume your tire overall diameter is correct and not too large also.

What happens when you floor it from a standing start? I can spin the wheels pretty easily.

maxx96

Let me just say that the new TL looks great and I wish I have SOME of the new features from it but that's the extend of it. My '03 TLS was at the dealer some time ago and I was able to get an '06 TL for a week. The car is a little more quiet than mine and like I said, I wish I have the programmable interior lighting, bi-xenon headlights (maybe) I think other than looking a cool purple at night, mine are brighter, and YES, the bluetooth integration.

With all that said, I took the car a couple of times to 100mph and it took a lot longer than in mine. It feels like the specs said, torquier than mine at low rpm but still slow. Now all this is stock, I know of at least one member with a 3rd gen with SS and headers, so that's a different ball game.

This is funny because normally we don't race each other (at least I don't) but right after that a few days later I encounter what appears to be an '06 white TL and he was chasing me thru traffic until we found a stretch that opened with no traffic, I knew his intentions so (and he was right on my tail) we opened up on that stretch......sorry fellows but I started pulling on him faster that I thought I was going to, after about 120 I decided he had enough and I started slowing down. he appoached me slowly and moved ahead with respect, I think he understood he had nothing for me.

Like I said, '06 TL is a great looking car, but I'm still waiting for Acura to make it AWD and with 300hp, until then, I am more than happy with mine.

jayunsplanet

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I'm waiting for Acura to make it Turbo SH-AWD with 300+hp. That would really scare the 3series owners and get the recognition it deserves from the German crowd.

sweetride01

It would seem that the TL-S's out there vary more between each other that the '06s; i.e. there are many factory freaks. I will try to get to race my friend with an '06 in a month, and see which is faster then.