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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 07:38 PM
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Nag screen defeated on TL

See This Thread over on the TL forum.

I ran the hack tonight and no more having to push that "OK" button! Woo-Hooo! The TL's Nav would almost always finish booting while I was busy backing out of the garage and starting down the driveway, and I'd look down to see a blank screen.

Now, the RL's nag screen isn't quite as bad, since its Nav boots so much quicker, but it would still be nice if some of you code crackers out there could do the same for the RL.

For those who are concerned about the safety aspects of avoiding this message, I can only say that after seeing the nag screen the first couple hundred times, it's pretty much ignored by everyone and becomes nothing more than an annoyance.

Anyone want to take up the challenge?
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 09:53 PM
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That sounds great. I'd really like to have my own wallpaper and no 'ok' button to push everytime. I checked my dvd and I have ver 4.31C and those bin files mentioned in the TL thread are not present on it
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 10:15 PM
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Yeah, the RL's Nav is a generation ahead of the TL's, and it takes a script kiddie or programmer or somebody to hack that stuff.

After the hack is done, though, it's a fairly simple matter of decompiling the bin file to isolate the executable (in the TL's case, the "navi.exe"), after which you run the hack to modify it, then reassemble it back into the bin file and reload to the car.

The big work is in hacking the code for the navi.exe. And I'm not smart enough to even get started doing that!
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 10:27 PM
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well I am certain that if we come up with enough starbucks vouchers between the RL owners, we can get some kiddie to script us a hack
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 02:23 AM
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RL is pretty different from the TL

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Yeah, the RL's Nav is a generation ahead of the TL's, and it takes a script kiddie or programmer or somebody to hack that stuff.
I popped the disc from my RL into a PC and started to poke around. We've definitely got a substantially different setup from the TL folks. Their DVDs (reportedly) have a few large BIN files on them, while ours contain more individual files. We've got a few smallish .BIN files that likely have operating instructions, but all the icons, images, and screens are on the disc in what appears to be their uncompressed state. That means changing out graphics might be easier, but I didn't actually try to make any changes.

In the TL forums they describe their load procedure as taking a short while, whereas when I reloaded the data into my RL it was a good 10 minutes worth of disc->car download time.

I wouldn't imagine it's any harder with our car, but little of what they've figured out will be applicable -- at least insofar as I can tell. Certainly wouldn't mind being wrong on that one.
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike_TX
See This Thread over on the TL forum.

For those who are concerned about the safety aspects of avoiding this message, I can only say that after seeing the nag screen the first couple hundred times, it's pretty much ignored by everyone and becomes nothing more than an annoyance.

Anyone want to take up the challenge?
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I think that it would be more useful if we all put our efforts into eliminating attorneys who can't find a real job so they come up with crap like these warnings. I think that it was the same Dickhead that puts the air bag warning sign on the visor (that nobody reads). Sorry if I offended any lawyers reading this post, I'm sure that their must be good lawyers out there somewhere, it's just that I have never met one.
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Ry4an
I popped the disc from my RL into a PC and started to poke around. We've definitely got a substantially different setup from the TL folks. Their DVDs (reportedly) have a few large BIN files on them, while ours contain more individual files. We've got a few smallish .BIN files that likely have operating instructions, but all the icons, images, and screens are on the disc in what appears to be their uncompressed state. That means changing out graphics might be easier, but I didn't actually try to make any changes.

In the TL forums they describe their load procedure as taking a short while, whereas when I reloaded the data into my RL it was a good 10 minutes worth of disc->car download time.

I wouldn't imagine it's any harder with our car, but little of what they've figured out will be applicable -- at least insofar as I can tell. Certainly wouldn't mind being wrong on that one.
Yep, my TL's Nav DVD contains 9 bin files comprising 104MB. There's only one, though, that applies to the TL of any given model year, and most of the others are for other Honda products (the same disc is used for the TSX, the Pilot and other vehicles, I'm told).

For example, we used only BNHH401A.bin to eliminate the OK screen to '06 models. There's another file on the TL disc, called HMIManager, that holds the instruction set for some of the other stuff, as well as for changing the splash screen.

But that's more than I really know anyway. I just followed the instructions.
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 12:37 PM
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yeah, that differs from ours

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Yep, my TL's Nav DVD contains 9 bin files comprising 104MB. There's only one, though, that applies to the TL of any given model year, and most of the others are for other Honda products (the same disc is used for the TSX, the Pilot and other vehicles, I'm told).
Yeah, that differs from ours. In that configuration each vehicle type has one ninth of the total storage on the dual-layer DVD available to it. The more sane configuration, and presumably what we've got, is a small BIN file per supported vehicle all hitting the same data files that aren't packed into the BIN. That likely makes changing the data files easier but changing the actual operating instructions, including "click to show you're not an idiot", shouldn't be an harder or easier than on the TL.
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ry4an
Yeah, that differs from ours. In that configuration each vehicle type has one ninth of the total storage on the dual-layer DVD available to it. The more sane configuration, and presumably what we've got, is a small BIN file per supported vehicle all hitting the same data files that aren't packed into the BIN. That likely makes changing the data files easier but changing the actual operating instructions, including "click to show you're not an idiot", shouldn't be an harder or easier than on the TL.
Yep, the one bin file that the '06 TL uses unpacks to 99 files - 18.2MB in size.

That, along with the presence of so many other unneeded bin files for the system to have to shuffle through, is probably one reason the TL's Nav takes about 10 times as long to boot as the RL's.

It's just a matter of finding the one file that has the "OK" button command line in it and hacking a button press into it. In the TL, it's in the "navi.exe" file, within the bin file for the model year of the car.

Again, I'm just not smart enough to know how to do it or I'd be working on it right now!
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:38 PM
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check out the navagation ok nag screen module.
Might it work with our RL?
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 09:46 PM
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The single bin file that looks promising in the RL's DVD is VRDB.BIN, but I can't extract its contents for some reason. Everytime I try it returns an error code "invalid XIP file".

I had hoped to at least look inside the bin and see if there is a navi.exe file like in the TL. But alas, I can't get in for some reason.

I don't think I could crack it myself, anyway, but maybe if I isolated it, some of you smart guys out there would play with it.
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sotiri
http://www.kptechnologies.com/

check out the navagation ok nag screen module.
Might it work with our RL?
It might very well, but doesn't that involve cutting into the harness to connect it? Those of us who lease are a little skittish about "permanent" mods like that.
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike_TX
It might very well, but doesn't that involve cutting into the harness to connect it? Those of us who lease are a little skittish about "permanent" mods like that.
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From looking further into how it works, it appears to function by closing the circuit on the button, this 'fools' the navi into thinking that you clicked the button which of course is clicking on the 'ok'.
Basically its an automated 'ok' clicker, and when we push the button, it closes the switch, and the wire we are soldering is to the circuit board which is the center button.
So, its not so invasive as it sounds.
Pretty simple actually.
Still I prefer to have someone hack the DVD files.
Personally I would be willing to pitch in some $$ to some bright kid to do this.
Hopefully someone can hack this.
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 10:54 AM
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Maybe we will get relief soon, as the 2007 TL now uses the white label 4th generation DVD. The guys over at the TL forum are very active in hacking the NAV to add/change features, and will have to deal with these changes on the new model.
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 11:32 AM
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Now I am not sure if anyone thought of this or if it matters. The system in the TL is made by Alpine. But isn't the system in the RL made by Bose?
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 12:19 PM
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Now I am not sure if anyone thought of this or if it matters. The system in the TL is made by Alpine. But isn't the system in the RL made by Bose?
No Bose is just associated with the audio system. The Nav has always been and continues to be manufactured by Alpine.
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