Logic717

I recently got my oil changed at an independent honda/Acura specialist and ever since then when I start the car, I hear somewhat of a thrashing sound as if there is low oil. I've heard the noise before in older 4 cyl engines but never in my RL.

I've checked the oil numerous times before starting the car (after 4 hours sitting) and again after starting the car, letting it run until the sound goes away and then turning off the engine. In all cases, the oil level is just fine.

The other bizarre thing is that the noise goes away after about 1 minute. There is no lag in the engine or any other sign that the noise existed. Only during startup in the cold.

The only thing I can think of is that a lower density oil was used during the change, but I can't imagine that would be the cause. Any other suggestions?

HEAVY_RL

iTrader: (1)

Hmmm, my first thought is take it back immediately before you put to many miles on it.

They could have used a heavier weight oil causing it to take longer to make its way around the engine at start up.

Logic717

Even though the sound goes away within a minute of startup? the problem is that once the engine is warm I can't replicate the noise.

HEAVY_RL

iTrader: (1)

Right, there is a "winter" weight on oil... hence the "w" in 10w40

If they used a heavier weight then the oil would take longer to circulate from the pan into the engine on a cold start up.

Just a hunch from a guy bored at work.

oo7spy

Heavy is correct about the winter weight. The rating is a viscosity measurement and determines how well the oil can flow at a certain temperature. The lower the rating the better it flows at cold. The higher the rating, the more abuse it can take a hot before breaking down. The #w-# signifies the overall range the oil is guaranteed for.

The most crucial part of oil and avoiding major engine wear is the viscosity at cold since cooling systems almost always keep the temperature away from the dangerous hot regions. If you do indeed have a too high winter rated oil, it could be too cold to flow. They usually print the oil used on the reciept. Check that first. Our cars are designs for a 5w rating. The second number is less important.

Can you describe the sound?

tlmaster1

5w-20 should be good all year around. Did he use bulk oil from the drum?. Mostly the drum oil is recycled oil, cheaper to buy and more profit for the shop. Bad for the engines and customers in the long run.

Logic717

The best way to describe the sound is that it sounds like an engine with low oil. It's almost as if you can hear the tappets just louder than normal. It's very mechanical like a uncovered 4cyl engine. That's why my first instinct was to verify that there was enough oil. But if there wasn't enough oil that sound would not go away so quickly.

I had this work done about 2 weeks ago and have misplaced the receipt. Would the recommendation be to just go ahead and take it to my honda dealer to have them change the oil there? I was just trying to give a local shop some business...

Logic717

This i'm not sure of, but I did notice that the color of the oil that was just changed was not as golden clear as the Oil i remembered from when i did the changes myself. I'm wondering if this could have been a factor too...

oo7spy

If there is any doubt to the condition, quality, or type of oil used, I would change the oil before starting the car again if possible, or at least start it when it is above 40 degrees outside. While your efforts to boost local business is admirable and necessary for a local economy, I have heard too many horror stories of incapable work. I go as far to say that I don't trust a dealer. As a result, I do all of my fluids myself.

It sucks that you even have to question what to do next, but if there is no one you can trust to do it, take it to a Honda or Acura dealer.

HEAVY_RL

iTrader: (1)

If you can turn a wrench doing it yourself is cake. if not take your own oil with you and ask for the bottles back or watch the process...

Either way they owe you a fix on this issue.

Logic717

Thanks for the feedback all. I'll go get the oil changed tomorrow (it's cold as hell in my garage lol) and report back on if I'm hearing the sound still or not.

HEAVY_RL

iTrader: (1)

Yeah my concrete floor is frigid too LoL, but like I said, don't be ashamed to walk into a place with your own oil.

The techs get paid the same hours regardless.

hondaxacura

I have an 09 RL that does the same thing. Cold start up, it sort of sounds like a diesel or a V8 engine. But it quiets down afterwards. I recently changed to 5W-20 synthetic and the noise goes away faster. I think the valves are just cold. TO NOTE: I only hear this outside of the car.

IMO, it sounds normal. I like the sound

Logic717

Well after having it changed at my local honda dealer (nearest Acura dealer is 27miles away), the sound is gone. Cheap oil was clearly the problem and needless to say I won't be back to that shop.

Thanks to all as usual!

@hondaxacura - Mine sounded more like a 4 banger lol... was NOT cool haha

alfadoctor

Let me chime in here. I don't think that it was the oil so much as it was the oil filter. The cheapie places use their own oil filter which is built to cost and not to performance. There is a HUGE difference. I have heard of cheapie oil filters disintegrating internally and pumping paper into the engine plugging oil passages.
I only use Mobil 1 or Honda filters and nothing else. My oil is 10-30 or 5-20 depending upon the time of the year.

HEAVY_RL

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^^^ That is a problem I've had with my old toyota pick up.

Logic717

Ok so to update this thread... I was really hoping changing the oil at the dealership would fix my issue, but alas it was not meant to be. Just went through a bit of a cold snap and the sound is still there... the duration is shorter now and the engine purrs like normal after about 20 seconds, but that sound at the initial start up scares me.

I know for sure the filter and oil were changed to honda specs. I'm praying it's not what you're describing above, but are there any other explanations I could research before going to the acura dealer? The problem is that as soon as the engine is warm the sounds go away and it sounds perfect... That's the ONLY reason I'm not alarmed with this issue, I just don't understand what could possibly be causing the sound at the first start up of the day.

Logic717

No other tips?

HEAVY_RL

iTrader: (1)

Video?

drolds72

How many miles? Valve lash that tightens up when warm?

TonyCD

I'm too lazy to check this myself, but I'd double-check on whether 10-30 is one of the factory recommendations for the RL.

Given that you're in California, it probably won't get cold enough to come back and bite you in the shorts. But after reading up on BobIsTheOilGuy, I've become a convert to using 0-20 full synthetic year-round.

It's exactly like this thread said: most engine wear occurs right at startup. Getting the oil through the engine as quickly as possible is the key.

drolds72

There are no hydraulic lifters to pump up on this car. If you are hearing valve train noise, changing the viscosity is not going to help. Checking the lash is a maintanence item, not a fun one, but if you are hearing it, it needs to be done.

Logic717

Crap... I'll have to investigate. I'll see if I can take some video/sound this weekend.

This may have taken the back burner as I have to buy a new set of tires... my 20's have got to go.... grrrr

Logic717

I'm at 113k miles... i have no idea what you mean by Valve lash... all I know is it sounds like low oil for about 5-10 seconds and then goes away... after that it sounds perfect.

lvnLegend

I do not think anyone has mentioned it but I would also check the tensioner. You tend to hear them more at startup but if you allow it to continue you will always hear it. You can go on you tube and listen to what a bad one sounds like. I hope this helps.

steve807

google and search for "youtube piston slap"

Logic717

Well i'll be damned... I've never heard of this, but it sounds alot like this but doesn't last as long as the videos I saw. I see that the fix for it is quite expensive... but is it a true statement that as along as you don't get oil burn off that it's ok to just ignore?

Like i said, it only happens when I start the car the first time of the day. Otherwise it sounds fine. Never had the issue prior to the oil change... I'm wondering now if the cheaper oil caused it? No clue...

-Chad

253RL

^uh oh! My s2000 makes that noise for 1-2 sec while starting cold, never a full min a 20 sec. It always went away quickly.. However I did end up replacing that engine due to low compression. Piston rings were fried! I didn't push it that hard, after pulling the engine I realized it too was not the orig engine or tranny! I was Pissed! But all is well now! Good luck
By the way im running 5/30 royal purple, which I've always always run in all my vehicles, vtec is smother and overall the engines just feel more responsive!