TampaRLX-SH

This list is composed of mainstream vehicles. The lowest 1525 units in 2007. The best on the list was 3637 units sold. So this is one list we are happy the RL did not make!

One that jumped out at me as the Audi A8 AWD V10. I like it, but apparently there is not much of a market for it....are you lisening Acura!?

http://www.forbes.com/2007/11/30/car...hisSpeed=15000

neuronbob

Wow. The RL sold 5284 from Jan-Oct 2007, so yeah, it's not at the bottom of the heap for all cars. Thank goodness for small favors? Still, a far cry from the 20k/year Acura was hoping for.

Oh well, fewer on the road, longer exclusivity for me!

ssim3

Makes me glad I dont own a Jag store or work in one. 3 of the bottom 10 were Jags. The XF had better be a homerun.

dwboston

Maybe Audi will have some clearance sales on the S8 - I'd be up for that.

TampaRLX-SH

I'm up for that!

But first the AWD Phaeton go *poof*! Then the Audi S8 sales tank. A big engine AWD sedan just does not seem to have a fan club. And these two Bavarian models I think are closest to what the RL could be with a larger engine. Lots of aluminum, AWD, lots of tech....and no buyers.

I am beginning to understand Honda's resistence to surpassing the V6 for this car.

Trackruner228

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Jaguar

fstshrk

My local Jaguar dealer still has 06 models on the lot. 20,000 off MSRP.

geronimomoe

If you look at the list, most of it isn't surprising.

Isuzu? I didn't realize they were still selling cars in the US. I guess I should take a better look at the Autoweek buyer's guide...

Jag? Sorry but the only car in that lineup worthy of the Jaguar name, IMHO is the XJ. If Jag (actually Ford since Ford owned Jag) funneled money into revamping the XJ, it wouldn't be on that list... The X and S type were attempts to go down market...

The Mazda truck is just a copy of the Ford Ranger, which is already outdated and should have been retired years ago..

As for the Boxster, Porsche is a limited production vehicle company anyway. I'm sure the Cayman has been cannabalizing sales from the Boxter too.

As for the SC430, it's a design that Lexus has ignored for a number of years.... They should either update or drop it..

The XLR and S8 are just exclusive and pricey vehicles with pretty tough competition (SL, S-Class, 7 series, LS, to name a few) so I'm not surprised...

But yes, definitely happy the RL isn't on the list!

F.Rizzo

holy cow!

dwest1023

Yea, I think honda is a lot smarter then us. I looked at the Phaeton,and Audi 8, and all I could say was very nice car, but we got an RL

dwest1023

I own a Miata, and I have visited numerous Mazda dealers in my area. They never even have a Mazda truck on the lot. No wonder anyone one buys it. I bet a lot of people don't even know it still exist.

neuronbob

An SH-AWD RL with V8 would seriously undercut the Audi in price, though, and it would never come close to what VW was asking for the Phaeton. I'd buy an RL with those specs! But you're right, as I said in another thread, I believe that Honda is looking ahead at the new CAFE regulations just passed, and won't give us a V8.

synth19

Glad to see some American built cars in the TOP 10.

Chuck091279

Agreed. It was interesting how many were American built.

geronimomoe

I bet most people don't even know that the Mazda truck is actually a Ford.

Heck I bet even fewer people know that Ford actually has a controlling stake (or had one) in Mazda.....

Chuck091279

Are the new mazda cx-7s and cx-9s also built w/ ford engines? Where are they manufactured?

TampaRLX-SH

Cleveland and Lima build the Duratec engines used in Ford and Mazda variants.

Also these vehicles are based on the Mazda 6 platform, and also used in the Ford Fusion / Milan / Zephyr.

Chuck091279

So does Mazda have any manufacturing in Japan? I thought they were a japanese firm - are Mazdas still sold in Japan?

taitando

I'm sad to see the A8/S8 on the list, because they're beautiful cars. Especially the S8 with the Lambo pulled V10. You don't see them as often as a 7, S, or LS, but I guess that's why they made the list.

geronimomoe

Yes, it's a Japanese firm.

I'm pretty sure they manufacture in Japan. I suspect the RX-8 is made there. Just checked Edmunds. At least 1 model of the Mazda3 is made in Japan.

Rob L

Wow, the A8/S8 is on the list? You mean having a V8 (or higher) engine in a luxury sedan doesn't equal tons of sales? Wow...I was under the impression from internet car forums/boards (where most members are way out of touch with the mass market reality) that a V8 in a luxury sedan= big sales and the reason the RL sells poorly is because of the engine. Couldn't simply be a prestige/brand thing and people will buy MB, BMW, Lexus regardless hence why the Audi A8 has poor sales. Nah...

TampaRLX-SH

dwest1023

My Mazda Miata is made in Japan.

eaRL

S8/V10 is something else. Very understated exterior but powerful as hell. I would really like to drive a 2007 S6 with the V10. I'm just afraid it would end up parked in my garage.

Chuck091279

I'm really interested in the new S5 coming out. I think it looks great.

geronimomoe

Sorry but the S5 just doesn't get my blood flowing.. Seen it in person and at the dealer....

Chas2

I know this is OT, but check out this Fifth Gear review on the S5 vs the 335i. I love these British shows with their running commentary...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7JkYNUE9gU

TampaRLX-SH

How irresponsible! Why was she not in her booster seat!

Right then, that video has me knackered. Time for a spot of tea in the lounge.

Chuck091279

I'll have to go test drive an Audi S5 to get a real feel for it. I haven't seen it in person as yet. That was a funny video.