09 RL - Brakes feel weak at 110
02-24-2009 | 01:53 PM
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Good then, I think you actually agree, even if you didn't want to. I posted: "Ditto that: stainless lines are your first upgrade for enhanced brake response..." and you replied that "Upgrading the lines will offer nothing in terms of high speed braking improvements..."
Although nobody has suggested a brake line upgrade will convert the RL to a shifter cart with uber-brakes, only one person suggested a brake line upgrade would "offer nothing". It is this essential fallacy that I differed with you on and that you seem to recognize may have been going a little too far. Spending the big bucks on new rotors and Brembo sixs-pots would be rad, amazing and even worthwhile on a lighter car, but these RL's aren't light enough for us to be street racers and probably not the most likely candidate for street-racer brakes.
I guess one could point out that pads cost a lot less than new lines and fluid. I'd agree with that, but I think the OEM pads are pretty good.
Although nobody has suggested a brake line upgrade will convert the RL to a shifter cart with uber-brakes, only one person suggested a brake line upgrade would "offer nothing". It is this essential fallacy that I differed with you on and that you seem to recognize may have been going a little too far. Spending the big bucks on new rotors and Brembo sixs-pots would be rad, amazing and even worthwhile on a lighter car, but these RL's aren't light enough for us to be street racers and probably not the most likely candidate for street-racer brakes.
I guess one could point out that pads cost a lot less than new lines and fluid. I'd agree with that, but I think the OEM pads are pretty good.
I could go on and on about this subject and overall I would say we probably agree that SS lines do help, just not in the same areas. Your leading him to believe the lines will be a cure for the triple digit blues, and it is not. So here if your turn to try to pick apart this post.
This car has a weak braking system, read the reviews.
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02-24-2009 | 02:02 PM
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Around and around with you, eh?By your logic, you are claiming a set of rotors will magically convert the heavy RL into a F1 stopper. Ridiculous.
Nobody has claimed lines will make your RL stop in 100' from 100mph. Not gonna happen.
However, if you want better braking performance and would like to upgrade the vehicle cost-effectively, the brake line upgrade is a good way to put more power to the calipers and, therefore, to maximize the efficiency of the OEM brake system (as you admit to having done on your own cars). Pick your brake pads accordingly, as there are trade-offs.
You've got some great cars, and your RL is beautiful.
02-24-2009 | 02:07 PM
#43
Around and around with you, eh?By your logic, you are claiming a set of rotors will magically convert the heavy RL into a F1 stopper. Ridiculous.
Nobody has claimed lines will make your RL stop in 100' from 100mph. Not gonna happen.
However, if you want better braking performance and would like to upgrade the vehicle cost-effectively, the brake line upgrade is a good way to put more power to the calipers and, therefore, to maximize the efficiency of the OEM brake system (as you admit to having done on your own cars). Pick your brake pads accordingly, as there are trade-offs.
You've got some great cars, and your RL is beautiful.
And I never said rotors will work miracles either. If someone wants this car to stop like a 911TT, then upgrade the front and rear brakes. I had 6 piston f/4 piston & 4/rears on my SC430, the car already braked well (300 lbs lighter than the RL) , it was fantastic after wards. But it was $$$$$. I would love 8 pots now, but with things the way they are, I am watching every dime-you never know what lies around the apex.
I would say we both agree that with little money improvements can be had but no game changer.
I am not familiar with the lines offered above. I would read up on the quality first. Try the TL section here for any long term reviews.
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02-24-2009 | 02:13 PM
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Thanks for all your input guys, I'll order tonight and will definitely update on progress.
I'll use my Escort GT2 to measure stopping distance and we'll see if any differences happen to arise.
I'll use my Escort GT2 to measure stopping distance and we'll see if any differences happen to arise.
02-24-2009 | 04:18 PM
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brake lines ordered, $180.48, they made sure to charge me tax and shipping. I think those guys are located in Brooklyn judging by their phone #.
What exactly would a change of brake fluid do for me? I don't race...
What exactly would a change of brake fluid do for me? I don't race...
02-24-2009 | 08:58 PM
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where did you order lines from? and what brand? the techna fit for the 05-08 can be had for about ~$90. for the set. if you did order the lines from sam @ visionary, he's in queens by woodhaven and josh from xlr8 has those same lines for about have the price, if they are indeed the technafit lines. that's my 2 cents
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02-25-2009 | 08:05 AM
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oh ok, so most likely it is the technafit, good luck with it, i am going to order the same ones but from Josh and there's no tax cause he's in CT. A piece of advice next time, ask around the forum it'll help you save some $$$, then again it will also make you spend some $$$ LOL
02-25-2009 | 08:45 AM
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On the contrary, the RL's brakes are actually quite good at very high speeds for an OEM car. The brakes should not lock, thats what ABS is for. However, they are good for only a few hard stops at high speed, again for obvious reasons, the brakes are not meant for racing! Aside for repeated high speed stop performance, the brakes perform essentially the same as my previous Brembo equipped TL.
02-25-2009 | 08:52 AM
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Aftermarket parts to raise the braking performance to racing levels is extremely expensive Since bigger rotors require larger rims (the 17's will not work), thus a decent upgrade that would make any real difference could easily end up costing close to 10K when you include, lines, rotors, calipers, pads, wheels and tires. I explored that option last year consulting directly with Brembo.
02-25-2009 | 09:14 AM
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On the contrary, the RL's brakes are actually quite good at very high speeds for an OEM car. The brakes should not lock, thats what ABS is for. However, they are good for only a few hard stops at high speed, again for obvious reasons, the brakes are not meant for racing! Aside for repeated high speed stop performance, the brakes perform essentially the same as my previous Brembo equipped TL.
They did do great a great job for me this morning at 50mph while texting (bonehead move, but an emergency) and traffic in front had hit a brick wall. As soon as I jumped on the brakes, the pedal disappeared from my foot as brake assist took over and slammed on the brakes avoiding a collision. The Magnum behind had to swerve as his possible delayed reaction or even worse brakes made things tight. So, from 50mph on one stop they did great. Very aggressive brake assist, much more than any other car I have owned.
The brake are ok for everyday stop and go driving, but get spirited and things go sideways quick.
The RL suffered the longest stopping distances and the widest curb-to-curb turning diameter.MotorTrend
others felt it lacks the visceral immediacy and tactile feedback to the steering, throttle, and brakes that are hallmarks of a true driver's car.
02-25-2009 | 09:32 AM
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02-25-2009 | 10:55 AM
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Would 13.1" Rear 4G TL brakes fit my car, any guesses? TL stopping distance as quoted from C & D is in the 160's and the weight for the AWD is only 100lb less. I think that's the cheapest strongest upgrade...if it fits.
02-25-2009 | 04:55 PM
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I for one believe the RL has really good brakes for street use and legal speeds or slightly higher.
If you want to race or not sure what else then you need big upgrades including cooling.
It really depends on your usage and goal, on the street these brakes are VERY good, so much that the first thing I do if I hit them even somewhat hard is look in the rearview mirror to see what i have to do to not be hit from behind.
When you put on big rotors, and 8 piston calipers and racing pads you will be in a world of hurt to stop short the first time, pads that do not fade need warm up and street use will not do that. This has been killed to death on NSX forum and I am sure MANY others. The technology is out there depending on what the intent is.
I test drove a 2006 Z06 the other day, now that has wonderful brakes, of course those huge tires had just a little bit of impact.
If you want to race or not sure what else then you need big upgrades including cooling.
It really depends on your usage and goal, on the street these brakes are VERY good, so much that the first thing I do if I hit them even somewhat hard is look in the rearview mirror to see what i have to do to not be hit from behind.
When you put on big rotors, and 8 piston calipers and racing pads you will be in a world of hurt to stop short the first time, pads that do not fade need warm up and street use will not do that. This has been killed to death on NSX forum and I am sure MANY others. The technology is out there depending on what the intent is.
I test drove a 2006 Z06 the other day, now that has wonderful brakes, of course those huge tires had just a little bit of impact.
02-25-2009 | 10:27 PM
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slightly off topic, if anyone got the cash to burn on BBK rotora, here is where they are at, the rear can be had for $1300 if bought separately, I emailed just in case.
Too fancy for my blood.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233491
Too fancy for my blood.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233491
02-25-2009 | 11:32 PM
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slightly off topic, if anyone got the cash to burn on BBK rotora, here is where they are at, the rear can be had for $1300 if bought separately, I emailed just in case.
Too fancy for my blood.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233491
Too fancy for my blood.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233491
02-26-2009 | 12:47 AM
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02-26-2009 | 04:49 PM
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Well...as much as I was talking about my weak brakes, they actually saved my @$$ today.
I got distracted for a second and didn't notice cars stop at a red light...was going probably 30mph at the time.
I think I finally figured out how to engage the auto brake feature that monitors your behavior and if you slam the brakes faster than usual goes straight to ABS braking.
The car stoped on a dime, maybe 10 feet less than I thought it would take to stop.
I was a little amazed and confused all at the same time.
Maybe when I'm going 110 all I need to do is surprise it with a sudden slam of the pedal to the floor?
I got distracted for a second and didn't notice cars stop at a red light...was going probably 30mph at the time.
I think I finally figured out how to engage the auto brake feature that monitors your behavior and if you slam the brakes faster than usual goes straight to ABS braking.
The car stoped on a dime, maybe 10 feet less than I thought it would take to stop.
I was a little amazed and confused all at the same time.
Maybe when I'm going 110 all I need to do is surprise it with a sudden slam of the pedal to the floor?
03-13-2009 | 10:13 PM
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well, went out and installed the SS brake lines today. Brake pedal feels more responsive and easier to apply minor variations of pressure.
Do I think it's worth the $300? I'd be happy if it was $100 and I would say definitely not at $500. Time will tell.
Do I think it's worth the $300? I'd be happy if it was $100 and I would say definitely not at $500. Time will tell.
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