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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 09:02 PM
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negoition tips and tricks HELP!!!!!

Hi all im from calgary canada and im gonna go into the car dealership tommorow and look at a brand new rdx what are some good tips i should use when buying so i can save thousands on a car and if anyone is from canada let me know what they paid for there rdx and what free things they go thank you all i recently went to a dealer 2 days ago and had a really crappy experience but this time im going to a diffrent dealer with confidence......
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 09:17 PM
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1. be prepared to walk away
2. see rule #1
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 10:13 PM
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Acura had 2500 off in Sep and Oct . Got 500 extra off (no trade) and 10% off accessories on 2014 AWD Tech and they waived document fees and locking nuts. I had salesman email me details and confirm there would be no extra fees/costs before I went for final test drive
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 10:56 PM
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You might mention it's the end of the month, quarter, year
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Old Dec 28, 2013 | 10:25 AM
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Based on my experience, $3000 under invoice should be about right. They also waived the document fees and locking lug nuts.
Follow the advice of post #2.
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Old Dec 28, 2013 | 11:49 AM
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Thank you everyone for the advice and hand filer how much is 3000$ under invoice on the tech model. And did you ask to get the invoice price and then negotiate for 3000$ under.
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Old Dec 28, 2013 | 06:03 PM
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Thank you everyone for the advice and hand filer how much is 3000$ under invoice on the tech model. And did you ask to get the invoice price and then negotiate for 3000$ under.
Sorry for the confusion but I meant MSRP not dealer invoice.
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Old Dec 29, 2013 | 03:54 PM
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Sorry for the confusion but I meant MSRP not dealer invoice.
Glad you cleared that up! Thought Acura was having a 'going out of business' sale!
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Old Dec 29, 2013 | 04:30 PM
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Thought Acura was having a 'going out of business' sale!
LMAO ... That won't happen until the TLX is released
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Old Dec 29, 2013 | 08:04 PM
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LMAO ... That won't happen until the TLX is released
Bazinga !
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 03:23 AM
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LMAO x 3.
Cheers!
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Old Dec 31, 2013 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by banana13
Thank you everyone for the advice and hand filer how much is 3000$ under invoice on the tech model. And did you ask to get the invoice price and then negotiate for 3000$ under.
Based on this question, you should do more home work before you go any further. Start at Edmunds or Kelly BB and study prices, invoice and MSRP on the car and major options.

Good luck, Jim
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Old Jan 1, 2014 | 02:09 PM
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Banana13: I would suggest investigating 2 services the Automobile Protection Association offers - (1) obtaining a detailed price report for the RDX, and (2) referral to a recommended dealer / broker. See the apa.ca website. Cost is around $50 I think and well worth the money IMO. Number (1) will tell you how much the dealer paid Honda Canada for the vehicle. Number (2) will refer you to a dealer / broker who will sell you the vehicle for a fixed price above dealer cost if you don't want to haggle with a dealer over price. Hope this helps.
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Old Jan 1, 2014 | 02:17 PM
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Just checked - cost is approx $80 now (in Alberta)
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Old Jan 2, 2014 | 10:50 PM
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Thanks John. But does apa actually work because I checked a website and they gave the invoice price on a tech rdx around 42 almost 43 and the msrp is 46 as we know and this is from canada. Also how do I use the invoice price as a advantage to pay below invoice. What are the magic words you should say when talking to salesmen and what not to say ???

I've heard of websites like unhaggle . That give you the invoice and dealers competing with each other to sell you a car...........
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 03:36 AM
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I paid 46500 out the door (so incl tax and their delivery fees) for a 2014 RDX Tech. I got invoice pricing from unhaggle and approached a number of dealerships for their best price.

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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 09:24 AM
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I paid 46500 out the door (so incl tax and their delivery fees) for a 2014 RDX Tech. I got invoice pricing from unhaggle and approached a number of dealerships for their best price.
Good golly! Tell me those aren't USDollars OUCH!
OTown must be in Canadia! I know 'banana' is; but DANG!, it hurts to read that number!!!
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 05:55 AM
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Good golly! Tell me those aren't USDollars OUCH!
OTown must be in Canadia! I know 'banana' is; but DANG!, it hurts to read that number!!!
Yes in ON, Canada. I think cost was $39k for the AWD Tech + $2150 delivery + 13% Tax
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 07:34 AM
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Since the RDX is available in limited varieties, it's pretty easy to make an apples to apples comparison on price. An AWD tech is the same as another AWD tech. If there are multiple dealers you are willing to buy from, you may be able to do your negotiating by email. I let 3-4 dealers know I was going to buy by a certain date, and that I was checking prices at several dealers, then waited to see what the best offer was. They knew they were in a competitive situation and all made solid offers. I've purchased two cars this way, and it worked well both times.
Both times were "buyers markets", and the dealers were forthcoming with bids via email. I'm not sure this would work as well in any market situation, or if there are limited dealers in the area.
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 08:50 AM
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Yes in ON, Canada. I think cost was $39k for the AWD Tech + $2150 delivery + 13% Tax
Ouch again! 2.5 X 'our' delivery fees and double the tax!!!(Texas is 6.25 on vehicles) Ouch, ouch, ouch!

Just out of curiosity, is there any incentive/financial benefit to purchasing the Lexus RX that is made in Ontario vs an imported vehicle?
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 10:13 AM
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Ouch again! 2.5 X 'our' delivery fees and double the tax!!!(Texas is 6.25 on vehicles) Ouch, ouch, ouch!

Just out of curiosity, is there any incentive/financial benefit to purchasing the Lexus RX that is made in Ontario vs an imported vehicle?
Lexus is still cheaper for you guys.

I come from England so I try and focus on how much cheaper cars are here than there rather than how much cheaper you guys have it over Canada.

A big discrepancy is about $15k between the Infiniti FX between Canada and the US.

A VW (Golf) GTI is about 1.5 times the price in Europe than US despite being built there.
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 12:13 PM
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I would look up the invoice price of the car...carcostcanada.com would be a place to look it up for a small fee.

I would also have alternatives in mind; so, as mentioned, be ready to walk away from the negotiation if you are not getting your price. In most situations (at least what I've been in), if you have 2-3 alternatives and negotiate seriously with the dealerships, you can get them into a bidding war with each other in a way.

With this ready, take the invoice price, add in the tax and start with 3% profit and work upwards from that. So, as an example, for my FX50S, I gave them 3.5% profit while having them bid against the BMW dealership for an X5d...worked out marvelously as I ended up with $6000 off the Infiniti.

So, hope it helps and happy shopping!
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 03:40 PM
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Invoice in Canada for RDX Tech AWD is $40655 and delivery fees are $2130
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 04:07 PM
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So the invoice price for tech is around 43 and the msrp is 46 and how do I exactly use this for my advantage. Do I just say the invoice is 43 and tell them I want a price lower or do I need proof for them to believe me kinda confused.....?.
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 04:22 PM
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Invoice is 40655 for the Tech.

I email bombed dealers saying I wanted to buy immediately and asked for their lowest prices out the door inc all costs and said I was aware of the current invoice cost and incentives and wanted as close to that plus del and tax as possible.

Like I said I paid 46500 inc del and tax and all costs. Some dealers quoted $53k

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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by banana13
So the invoice price for tech is around 43 and the msrp is 46 and how do I exactly use this for my advantage. Do I just say the invoice is 43 and tell them I want a price lower or do I need proof for them to believe me kinda confused.....?.
Did you read my post...?

Take the invoice price...add in the tax...and give them 3% profit.
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 05:58 PM
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Did you read my post...?

Take the invoice price...add in the tax...and give them 3% profit.
I got under invoice - incentives + del + tax
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by OTown
Invoice is 40655 for the Tech.

I email bombed dealers saying I wanted to buy immediately and asked for their lowest prices out the door inc all costs and said I was aware of the current invoice cost and incentives and wanted as close to that plus del and tax as possible.

Like I said I paid 46500 inc del and tax and all costs. Some dealers quoted $53k
Hi OTown
I am correct then in assuming you got the RDX tech below invoice / dealer cost?
By the way, what part of the country are you in?
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by banana13
Thanks John. But does apa actually work because I checked a website and they gave the invoice price on a tech rdx around 42 almost 43 and the msrp is 46 as we know and this is from canada. Also how do I use the invoice price as a advantage to pay below invoice. What are the magic words you should say when talking to salesmen and what not to say ???

I've heard of websites like unhaggle . That give you the invoice and dealers competing with each other to sell you a car...........
Hi banana13
When I paid the APA membership fee this entitled me 5 vehicle invoice details. There is a sample invoice detail report on their website (for an audi a4) that gives an indication as to the type of info they give you. The APA also gave me the name of a local dealer and contact person at the dealer who who would sell me the car i was interested in at the time (a TSX) for a few hundred dollars above dealer cost (I did this back in 2009; I forget what the exact amount was). In effect they were quoting me a set/no haggle price that I could choose to accept or not. In my particular case I then emailed all the Acura dealers in my area (I live in the greater Toronto area, so there are a lot), quoting tnis information, and asking if anyone could beat the APA guaranteed price I had already been quoted. In my particular case no one could beat the APA price.
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OTown
I got under invoice - incentives + del + tax
Even better. Depends on how badly the dealership is trying to get rid of inventory.
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 08:01 PM
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Hi OTown
I am correct then in assuming you got the RDX tech below invoice / dealer cost?
By the way, what part of the country are you in?
I'm in Ottawa. I got dealers in ON and QC down to the purchase price. I didn't get any accessories as they're cheapest from Curry Acura anyway.

At the time incentive was 1500 so

40655 invoice - 1500 incentive + 2130 del = 46,652 after 13% tax. I came in $150 under that
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Old Jan 5, 2014 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OTown
I'm in Ottawa. I got dealers in ON and QC down to the purchase price. I didn't get any accessories as they're cheapest from Curry Acura anyway.

At the time incentive was 1500 so

40655 invoice - 1500 incentive + 2130 del = 46,652 after 13% tax. I came in $150 under that
thanks OTown
I have some followups question if you don't mind...
did u pay cash? have a trade in? get honda canada financing as well?
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Old Jan 5, 2014 | 04:18 PM
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It was cash yes no trade in. I guess clean transaction for the dealer but finance they may well get a kickback from - I don't know.

I sent an email to a bunch of dealers and laid out the exact spec (colour and max kms I would consider), I wanted to buy in next week, cash purchase, wanted best price as I didn't want to go back and forth and waste people's time, must be all costs included.

A real mixed bag of responses but I got there in the end.

If you have a trade in and it's finance or lease I don't see why the approach I took won't work for you.

Anymore questions, just ask!

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