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I'm about to slap a new set of rubbers on the stock rims...well sorta...I upgraded my CLP to the CLS rims just because they're the best 17" rims around for the CLS but anyway, I'm looking at both the BFG G-FORCE T/A KDW and the Michelin Pilot Sport but I'm drawn to the Toyo Proxes...any suggestions? I need wet traction and handling more than I need tread life...but I want to corner on a dime too. Right now I'm on a set of (don't laugh) Nitto 450s...they suck ...lasted about 5 months
thanks guys (and gals if you're out there)
thanks guys (and gals if you're out there)
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Re: about to buy tires
Originally posted by momentum3.2
I'm about to slap a new set of rubbers on the stock rims...well sorta...I upgraded my CLP to the CLS rims just because they're the best 17" rims around for the CLS but anyway, I'm looking at both the BFG G-FORCE T/A KDW and the Michelin Pilot Sport but I'm drawn to the Toyo Proxes...any suggestions? I need wet traction and handling more than I need tread life...but I want to corner on a dime too. Right now I'm on a set of (don't laugh) Nitto 450s...they suck ...lasted about 5 months
thanks guys (and gals if you're out there)
I'm about to slap a new set of rubbers on the stock rims...well sorta...I upgraded my CLP to the CLS rims just because they're the best 17" rims around for the CLS but anyway, I'm looking at both the BFG G-FORCE T/A KDW and the Michelin Pilot Sport but I'm drawn to the Toyo Proxes...any suggestions? I need wet traction and handling more than I need tread life...but I want to corner on a dime too. Right now I'm on a set of (don't laugh) Nitto 450s...they suck ...lasted about 5 months
thanks guys (and gals if you're out there)
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i know most of you won't agree with me, but when i need tires i'm just gonna replace with another set of the pilots
i know most of you won't agree with me, but when i need tires i'm just gonna replace with another set of the pilots
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If you really want the best handling and highest level of grip, The Bridgestone S-03 Pole Postions are by far the best street tire that I have driven. They just keep hanging on
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Yo,
DON"T BUY Z RATED TIRES! They get ripped apart too quickly, they are soft for gripping. If you put alot of miles on your car, your tires are going to be bald soon.
Also do your homework, pirrelli's give you a 15-20k mile warranty!?? Our car's tires(tl-s) are V-rated for 50k(maybe) they suck in grip in the wet but last. I just picked up Dunlop Sport SP 5000's still v rated and seem better than the michelins. Talk to people at tirerack.com and find out more than we tell you.
DON"T BUY Z RATED TIRES! They get ripped apart too quickly, they are soft for gripping. If you put alot of miles on your car, your tires are going to be bald soon.
Also do your homework, pirrelli's give you a 15-20k mile warranty!?? Our car's tires(tl-s) are V-rated for 50k(maybe) they suck in grip in the wet but last. I just picked up Dunlop Sport SP 5000's still v rated and seem better than the michelins. Talk to people at tirerack.com and find out more than we tell you.
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Yo,
DON"T BUY Z RATED TIRES! They get ripped apart too quickly, they are soft for gripping. If you put alot of miles on your car, your tires are going to be bald soon.
Also do your homework, pirrelli's give you a 15-20k mile warranty!?? Our car's tires(tl-s) are V-rated for 50k(maybe) they suck in grip in the wet but last. I just picked up Dunlop Sport SP 5000's still v rated and seem better than the michelins. Talk to people at tirerack.com and find out more than we tell you.
Yo,
DON"T BUY Z RATED TIRES! They get ripped apart too quickly, they are soft for gripping. If you put alot of miles on your car, your tires are going to be bald soon.
Also do your homework, pirrelli's give you a 15-20k mile warranty!?? Our car's tires(tl-s) are V-rated for 50k(maybe) they suck in grip in the wet but last. I just picked up Dunlop Sport SP 5000's still v rated and seem better than the michelins. Talk to people at tirerack.com and find out more than we tell you.
Another good choice is the Pilot Sport A/S, which is supposedly pretty good. It has a 400 treadwear rating, as opposed to the 220 of the Pilot Sport. Better wear than the stock tires. Meaning that it should last more than 1.5x as long as the Pilot Sport. and 25% longer than stocks.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/michel...t_sport_as.jsp
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Bridgestone S-03's RULE !
Tirerack SUCKS BIG TIME !
MikeBS-TLS apparently has not done his home work ! Tirerack will NOT sell you any Summer sport tires once you mention TLs or CLs.......
Tirerack SUCKS BIG TIME !
MikeBS-TLS apparently has not done his home work ! Tirerack will NOT sell you any Summer sport tires once you mention TLs or CLs.......
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Re: about to buy tires
Originally posted by momentum3.2
I'm about to slap a new set of rubbers on the stock rims...well sorta...I upgraded my CLP to the CLS rims just because they're the best 17" rims around for the CLS but anyway, I'm looking at both the BFG G-FORCE T/A KDW and the Michelin Pilot Sport but I'm drawn to the Toyo Proxes...any suggestions? I need wet traction and handling more than I need tread life...but I want to corner on a dime too. Right now I'm on a set of (don't laugh) Nitto 450s...they suck ...lasted about 5 months
thanks guys (and gals if you're out there)
I'm about to slap a new set of rubbers on the stock rims...well sorta...I upgraded my CLP to the CLS rims just because they're the best 17" rims around for the CLS but anyway, I'm looking at both the BFG G-FORCE T/A KDW and the Michelin Pilot Sport but I'm drawn to the Toyo Proxes...any suggestions? I need wet traction and handling more than I need tread life...but I want to corner on a dime too. Right now I'm on a set of (don't laugh) Nitto 450s...they suck ...lasted about 5 months
thanks guys (and gals if you're out there)
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funny somebody mention michelin pilot sport A/S , my bro is getting those put on his 2k maxima right now. he got them for 199 @ costco. i'll wait and see how they turn out, i might get the same ones ...
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thank you FABVSIX, you provided a lot of information.... in the future, if I start any thread I would want you to offer suggestions as intuitiveand intellectual as the last post.
I merely gave a suggestion, some younger members don't know that Z speed ratings tend to offer less tread life, they just are under the impression that they are "the best" and for practical driving cars, z-ratings are not necessary. Just trying to offer another angle.
I merely gave a suggestion, some younger members don't know that Z speed ratings tend to offer less tread life, they just are under the impression that they are "the best" and for practical driving cars, z-ratings are not necessary. Just trying to offer another angle.
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Originally posted by MikeyB_TLS
I merely gave a suggestion, some younger members don't know that Z speed ratings tend to offer less tread life, they just are under the impression that they are "the best" and for practical driving cars, z-ratings are not necessary. Just trying to offer another angle.
I merely gave a suggestion, some younger members don't know that Z speed ratings tend to offer less tread life, they just are under the impression that they are "the best" and for practical driving cars, z-ratings are not necessary. Just trying to offer another angle.
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Originally posted by juniorbean
Well, I'm not that young (25), however, I was not aware that all Z rated tires were bad wearing tires (although now that I think about it, that makes total sense), so I appreciate your info!!
Well, I'm not that young (25), however, I was not aware that all Z rated tires were bad wearing tires (although now that I think about it, that makes total sense), so I appreciate your info!!
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S03 Positives:
Great cornering
Good feel
Good wet weather traction (while moving)
Quiet and free of road noise
S03 Negatives:
Cant launch more then 1/2 throttle or I sit still making mosquito killing smoke
Cant launch at all when wet or damp.. dont move and walk sideways like a lobster
Dont even try driving with them on snow or slush unless you have a death wish
On the 2->1 downshift they roast and squeal
At 50 MPH I can break them loose ....
The tires are 6 Weeks old and have almost 2K miles on them... not good indications.. I have just ordered a set of RE730's to try which will be in on wednesday....
this was posted by an owner of these tires btw.......
Great cornering
Good feel
Good wet weather traction (while moving)
Quiet and free of road noise
S03 Negatives:
Cant launch more then 1/2 throttle or I sit still making mosquito killing smoke
Cant launch at all when wet or damp.. dont move and walk sideways like a lobster
Dont even try driving with them on snow or slush unless you have a death wish
On the 2->1 downshift they roast and squeal
At 50 MPH I can break them loose ....
The tires are 6 Weeks old and have almost 2K miles on them... not good indications.. I have just ordered a set of RE730's to try which will be in on wednesday....
this was posted by an owner of these tires btw.......
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Not true... Toyo Proxes T1-S are ZR rated (unlimited speed) and have a treadwear of 280!!! (better than most non-Zrated tires)
that is why i said in general......
looks like I should have got the proxes then!!!!!!!!!!!
that is why i said in general......
looks like I should have got the proxes then!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by MikeyB_TLS
S03 Positives:
Great cornering
Good feel
Good wet weather traction (while moving)
Quiet and free of road noise
S03 Negatives:
Cant launch more then 1/2 throttle or I sit still making mosquito killing smoke
Cant launch at all when wet or damp.. dont move and walk sideways like a lobster
Dont even try driving with them on snow or slush unless you have a death wish
On the 2->1 downshift they roast and squeal
At 50 MPH I can break them loose ....
The tires are 6 Weeks old and have almost 2K miles on them... not good indications.. I have just ordered a set of RE730's to try which will be in on wednesday....
this was posted by an owner of these tires btw.......
S03 Positives:
Great cornering
Good feel
Good wet weather traction (while moving)
Quiet and free of road noise
S03 Negatives:
Cant launch more then 1/2 throttle or I sit still making mosquito killing smoke
Cant launch at all when wet or damp.. dont move and walk sideways like a lobster
Dont even try driving with them on snow or slush unless you have a death wish
On the 2->1 downshift they roast and squeal
At 50 MPH I can break them loose ....
The tires are 6 Weeks old and have almost 2K miles on them... not good indications.. I have just ordered a set of RE730's to try which will be in on wednesday....
this was posted by an owner of these tires btw.......
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tread life:
Pirelli p7000 = 160
S-03 = 220
DUnlop SP 5000 sport = 330 (mine) V rated
Not at all a flame post.... as you can see I bought mine for miles with less emphasis on performance(I do an average of 100 miles a day and never exceed 120 mph so i don't need huge speed ratings!!!!)
Pirelli p7000 = 160
S-03 = 220
DUnlop SP 5000 sport = 330 (mine) V rated
Not at all a flame post.... as you can see I bought mine for miles with less emphasis on performance(I do an average of 100 miles a day and never exceed 120 mph so i don't need huge speed ratings!!!!)
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Originally posted by Fabvsix
Bridgestone S-03's RULE !
Tirerack SUCKS BIG TIME !
MikeBS-TLS apparently has not done his home work ! Tirerack will NOT sell you any Summer sport tires once you mention TLs or CLs.......
Bridgestone S-03's RULE !
Tirerack SUCKS BIG TIME !
MikeBS-TLS apparently has not done his home work ! Tirerack will NOT sell you any Summer sport tires once you mention TLs or CLs.......
Is that so hard ??
Or LIE to them! Tell them you have a different car with
an equivalent tire set up.
I've ordered the last six sets of tires I've purchased (since 94')
from them & NO problems. I just make up my mind & tell them
what I want.
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Originally posted by Fabvsix
Bridgestone S-03's RULE !
Tirerack SUCKS BIG TIME !
MikeBS-TLS apparently has not done his home work ! Tirerack will NOT sell you any Summer sport tires once you mention TLs or CLs.......
Bridgestone S-03's RULE !
Tirerack SUCKS BIG TIME !
MikeBS-TLS apparently has not done his home work ! Tirerack will NOT sell you any Summer sport tires once you mention TLs or CLs.......
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=59571
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You're going to get so many opinions here you won't be able to decipher them. Go to a quality tire store and tell them what you want and listen to their suggestions. All tires have government ratings, check them out. They will give you traction and temperature ratings as well as a treadwear grade.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/UTQG/
Pick the traction, temperature and treadwear grading you want and compare tires for the best price.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/UTQG/
Pick the traction, temperature and treadwear grading you want and compare tires for the best price.
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Originally posted by Zapata
The stock tires suck man! All i have to do is just gas the car a little from a stop an i'm spinning. How can you encourage people to buy stocks?
The stock tires suck man! All i have to do is just gas the car a little from a stop an i'm spinning. How can you encourage people to buy stocks?
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The first year I had my CL_S the stock tires were fine. Held good enough in rain, and not bad in snow.
They are now at about 15,000 miles, still plenty of tread left, but I don't like them anymore. They slip a bit in the rain, slid all over in the snow (good thing for vsa), and I just sit and spin when I launch hard.
Now I just have to find a good set of all-seasons that will fit on the stock rims and also keep the spedo fairly close to stock.
Was looking at the dunlop 5000, but I think the load rating may be too low in the 235 size (rated 93 at 51 lbs)
Maybe the Mich Pilot AS in 235/45 or 225/50. Don't know yet, its hard to match our stock 818 revs.
They are now at about 15,000 miles, still plenty of tread left, but I don't like them anymore. They slip a bit in the rain, slid all over in the snow (good thing for vsa), and I just sit and spin when I launch hard.
Now I just have to find a good set of all-seasons that will fit on the stock rims and also keep the spedo fairly close to stock.
Was looking at the dunlop 5000, but I think the load rating may be too low in the 235 size (rated 93 at 51 lbs)
Maybe the Mich Pilot AS in 235/45 or 225/50. Don't know yet, its hard to match our stock 818 revs.
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The Toyos are awesome. Great in the dry, spectacular in the rain.
Hammerman and i were doing 95 in the wet on Saturday and they felt glued. By the way, he was shooting up a ton of water, they really funnel the water out. Tread pattern is great, pretty long lasting and mine were $160 a piece.
Hammerman and i were doing 95 in the wet on Saturday and they felt glued. By the way, he was shooting up a ton of water, they really funnel the water out. Tread pattern is great, pretty long lasting and mine were $160 a piece.
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If I didn't live in VA i would hope on the toyo bandwagon but since we get snow here sometimes and some rain I might go w/ the piolt a/s or the Yoko AVS db, Firehawk S750 EP..
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I'm happy enough with these pirelli snows that i think i'll get pirellis for summer. Stock michies will never be on my car again.
225/45/WR17 Pirelli P zero Rosso $158ea. TireCrack.
225/45/WR17 Pirelli P zero Rosso $158ea. TireCrack.
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fast daddy car...
what size dunlop sp-5000 did you get? and are they on stock rims?
thanks!
I drive a TL-s, so they are the stock TL-s size which is 215/50/17, I am pretty sure tire rack has them in CL-s size also.
what size dunlop sp-5000 did you get? and are they on stock rims?
thanks!
I drive a TL-s, so they are the stock TL-s size which is 215/50/17, I am pretty sure tire rack has them in CL-s size also.
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whoa It's like I asked who makes the best CAI!
Guys I appreciate all the opinions, but I've got something funny for you. I called Tires.com and the guy I talked to (I think his name was Brad or Brandon) and he suggested (are you ready for this )that I stick with the stock MXV4's! a tire I haven't had on my car since I had the stock CLP rims on there! He wouldn't even comprehend that I had replaced the stock rims!
Here's why I need something with better handling but not 8 million million mph speed rating:
I general hit about 90-95 twice a day, stick at it for about 10 miles, both to and from work, on 400 in Atlanta. My entire commute is on highways (shocker).
It rains about once every two weeks down here.
I don't "street race" my CL, I attempt to keep up with the flow of traffic. (70 is considered stupid slow on atl highways)
I want an aggressive tread pattern/directional tread pattern that will aid in flinging water all over the car behind me (ie, great wet traction) and I don't mind if they only last about 6 months.
It looks like it's either going to be the Toyo or the BFG. (only reason I'm choosing BFG is because I've had BFG all terrains on my 4runner for 6 years)
Here's why I need something with better handling but not 8 million million mph speed rating:
I general hit about 90-95 twice a day, stick at it for about 10 miles, both to and from work, on 400 in Atlanta. My entire commute is on highways (shocker).
It rains about once every two weeks down here.
I don't "street race" my CL, I attempt to keep up with the flow of traffic. (70 is considered stupid slow on atl highways)
I want an aggressive tread pattern/directional tread pattern that will aid in flinging water all over the car behind me (ie, great wet traction) and I don't mind if they only last about 6 months.
It looks like it's either going to be the Toyo or the BFG. (only reason I'm choosing BFG is because I've had BFG all terrains on my 4runner for 6 years)
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I don't know a damn thing about cooper tires.
TOyo Proxes came moderately recommended by my friend with a Prelude.... he likes them in the summer?!?! complained about their grip in the wet under aggressive driving (turning etc.) that is about all he had to offer.
TOyo Proxes came moderately recommended by my friend with a Prelude.... he likes them in the summer?!?! complained about their grip in the wet under aggressive driving (turning etc.) that is about all he had to offer.
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The Dunlop SP Sport 5000 245/45/17 cost about the same as the Coopers and have a 93 load rating. I think the Dunlops are a better tire. Check out TireRack Ultra High Performance All Season Tire Survey Results at: tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults.
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Originally posted by sundance_gold
right. The tire requires a rim that is 8.0.
right. The tire requires a rim that is 8.0.
But, many people here run them on the stock 7 with no problems.
The only issue I've heard is an alignment can be difficult with the 235.
I'm leaning towards the SP5000 235/24/17.
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I've got the S-03's on Oem rims and 4000 miles later, NO issues what's so ever, Now I don't put 4 500 pound folks in my car and go racing across the desert at 125 mph either.......that's is where it is questionable !
BTW......I think these tires are amazing !
BTW......I think these tires are amazing !