ClutchMasters Clutch Install - which side does the shim go on?
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06-30-2009, 09:24 AM
#9
Whats up with RDX owners?
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I thought the same, but that was with the CT setup which used a stock PP IIRC.
The CM clutch uses their own (correct me if Im wrong).
The CM clutch uses their own (correct me if Im wrong).
06-30-2009, 10:32 AM
#13
Whats up with RDX owners?
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^^ Hence the reason CMs clutch is fuckin awesome (and on my list)
08-17-2009, 07:39 AM
#15
Lives in Boost
08-17-2009, 08:57 AM
#16
taking all that mass off the drivetrain is only good for 1st, 2nd and 3rd. On the highway the car simply willl not have as much balls due to the inertia lost inside the moving parts of the engine. Inertia gives the car more BALZ if u will, or TQ is the real word I guess.
I did the pulley and flywheel on my ford probe 2 years ago and instantly notice the highway was garbage in comparison. It took 20km/h off my top speed. And although the clutch grabs the flywheel like you can grab a sheet of paper. Its better for dragging to have a heavier flywheel so when u switch from gear to gear the inertia in the flywheel somewhat stays. That's why when u shift it's PULLING the rpms down slower than if you had a light flywheel...., that's because the flywheel wants to KEEP ON HAULING due to it's mass. And that in itself makes the car pull harder.
Yes I know the shifts are easier and quicker with the flywheel upgrade but each gear is hit very hard in comparison to stock and that JOLT into the next gear ROBS the car of all the previous inertia in the motor from the gear prior.
So flywheel does lose mass off drivetrain but that's moreso only good for the race track where you shift MANY times, and it helps cause it takes alot of strain off the main bearings in the motor and the clutch.
Now when you hit the gas in 1st or 2nd the car will FLY in comparison to not having the lightened drivetrain, because there's so much less internal inertia. All I'm saying is overall, I think the OEM flywheel would beat the same car with the lightened flywheel to top speed. Simply because of the inertia factor.
A dyno SHOULD show what I am trying to explain. do gears 2 and 3, then try 4 and you should see a big difference.
Not that i have seen the dyno proof. BUT, losing 20km/h top end definately is proof enough to me that the flywheel mode DEFINATELY has its downfalls.
And remember Less inertia means More constant work by YOUR MOTOR to fight the forces of friction.
So theoretically it will hurt your gas milage.
Only after $1000 later on my car and personal experience could I have known what i am saying. I thought it was all + + +. When really I liked the ride b4 doing the flywheel more
I did the pulley and flywheel on my ford probe 2 years ago and instantly notice the highway was garbage in comparison. It took 20km/h off my top speed. And although the clutch grabs the flywheel like you can grab a sheet of paper. Its better for dragging to have a heavier flywheel so when u switch from gear to gear the inertia in the flywheel somewhat stays. That's why when u shift it's PULLING the rpms down slower than if you had a light flywheel...., that's because the flywheel wants to KEEP ON HAULING due to it's mass. And that in itself makes the car pull harder.
Yes I know the shifts are easier and quicker with the flywheel upgrade but each gear is hit very hard in comparison to stock and that JOLT into the next gear ROBS the car of all the previous inertia in the motor from the gear prior.
So flywheel does lose mass off drivetrain but that's moreso only good for the race track where you shift MANY times, and it helps cause it takes alot of strain off the main bearings in the motor and the clutch.
Now when you hit the gas in 1st or 2nd the car will FLY in comparison to not having the lightened drivetrain, because there's so much less internal inertia. All I'm saying is overall, I think the OEM flywheel would beat the same car with the lightened flywheel to top speed. Simply because of the inertia factor.
A dyno SHOULD show what I am trying to explain. do gears 2 and 3, then try 4 and you should see a big difference.
Not that i have seen the dyno proof. BUT, losing 20km/h top end definately is proof enough to me that the flywheel mode DEFINATELY has its downfalls.
And remember Less inertia means More constant work by YOUR MOTOR to fight the forces of friction.
So theoretically it will hurt your gas milage.
Only after $1000 later on my car and personal experience could I have known what i am saying. I thought it was all + + +. When really I liked the ride b4 doing the flywheel more
08-17-2009, 09:12 AM
#17
Lives in Boost
Nice, thanks for the reply. Lightened flywheel isn't really a necessity of mine. I just need a clutch that GRABS. So, can the stock flywheel be used in conjunction with the Clutchmasters clutch? I don't even want to go to the track again until I can shift like I could when I was NA (here)
During spirited driving, I literally have to ease into the gears now cuz there's too much power There's like a 1-2 second gap while I feather the throttle.
During spirited driving, I literally have to ease into the gears now cuz there's too much power
There's like a 1-2 second gap while I feather the throttle.
08-17-2009, 02:10 PM
#18
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
As far as I know, no you cannot use the CM PP and disc on the OEM flywheel.
I dont know if I can agree with what CL-S Proggression is saying. I put in a lightweight flywheel on my old Prelude and the car was noticeably faster in all respects. The engine had no problem shifting in any gear. Nothing was jerky. And with the Prelude I actually got better gas mileage (28mpg to 30mpg on the highway).
I dont know if I can agree with what CL-S Proggression is saying. I put in a lightweight flywheel on my old Prelude and the car was noticeably faster in all respects. The engine had no problem shifting in any gear. Nothing was jerky. And with the Prelude I actually got better gas mileage (28mpg to 30mpg on the highway).
08-17-2009, 10:56 PM
#19
you mean to tell me top speed was increased with just the flywheel mod?
and think about shifting and how with a light FW it grabs to the clutch very fast (the rpms shoot down and then must begin going up) whereas with the oem flywheel the momentum keeps a flow (if you will) when shifting.
meh w/e, just trying to give ppl a heads up.
Do a top speed run b4 and after. TIME IT!!! and see what the top speed is. I bet it will be slower.
There's no way it would do this on one car and then not on the next.
Mind you, the probe only had like 180tq and 200hp. Maybe on the cl the torque just gets rid of this issue.
I'd like to see someone prove this delema. B4 and after 3rd and 4th gear preferably. I know 1st and 2nd are monsters after the FW mod, but there gotta be a reason why every car has a their flywheel to begin with. Otherwise high performance cars would come with aluminum flywheels.
There's always a trade-off 99% of the time.
and think about shifting and how with a light FW it grabs to the clutch very fast (the rpms shoot down and then must begin going up) whereas with the oem flywheel the momentum keeps a flow (if you will) when shifting.
meh w/e, just trying to give ppl a heads up.
Do a top speed run b4 and after. TIME IT!!! and see what the top speed is. I bet it will be slower.
There's no way it would do this on one car and then not on the next.
Mind you, the probe only had like 180tq and 200hp. Maybe on the cl the torque just gets rid of this issue.
I'd like to see someone prove this delema. B4 and after 3rd and 4th gear preferably. I know 1st and 2nd are monsters after the FW mod, but there gotta be a reason why every car has a their flywheel to begin with. Otherwise high performance cars would come with aluminum flywheels.
There's always a trade-off 99% of the time.
08-18-2009, 01:32 PM
#20
Whats up with RDX owners?
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I never said the top speed increased. Ive gotten that car to 140 with the stock flywheel and I never wanted to do that again, so I never tested the top speed. However rolling onto the throttle at highway speeds with the new flywheel was faster and more responsive.
Honestly though, I cant see how your top speed will be lower with a lighter flywheel. Your gearing is unchanged, so the top speed will be the same. The only variation between the two would be how long it takes to get there.
Most of the high-performance cars use a heavy flywheel because of the aggressive clutch. Using a heavier flywheel with a much stronger/heavier clutch increases driveability so the average person isnt spinning the tires or stalling everywhere.
Honestly though, I cant see how your top speed will be lower with a lighter flywheel. Your gearing is unchanged, so the top speed will be the same. The only variation between the two would be how long it takes to get there.
Most of the high-performance cars use a heavy flywheel because of the aggressive clutch. Using a heavier flywheel with a much stronger/heavier clutch increases driveability so the average person isnt spinning the tires or stalling everywhere.
09-30-2009, 09:22 PM
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Thats strange i just recieved my clutchmasters fx100 kit with the flywheel... but there were no shims in either box =/ ...any ideas? Oh and just to make sure the pilot bearing goes on the rear of the flywheel... correct?
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