Why isnt our CL-S much faster the TL-S ??
09-05-2002, 11:33 AM
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Why isnt our CL-S much faster the TL-S ??
They both have the same engines and all but one's 4 dr and other a 2dr. Which i assume means the CL weights less and weight being the enemy #1, the CL should be atleast .5 secs faster. Yet its not and there's barely 0.2 - 0.3 difference in 0-60 tests.
Now if for some reason the CL weights MORE then the tl than thats an entirely different issue and wouldnt make much sense as to why its porkier. Anyone enlighten me as to why our cars arent that much fast?
of course i'm talking about both being type-s AUTOS and being comparably equipped..... and u with the 6speed shant make smart-ass remarks!
Now if for some reason the CL weights MORE then the tl than thats an entirely different issue and wouldnt make much sense as to why its porkier. Anyone enlighten me as to why our cars arent that much fast?
of course i'm talking about both being type-s AUTOS and being comparably equipped..... and u with the 6speed shant make smart-ass remarks!
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if they are identical at the drag strip why do the TL-S times consistantly show slower in mags and at tracks? i mean not by much, but i dont think a stock TL-S ever did less than a 14.8, 14.7
09-05-2002, 11:49 AM
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Well, the reason they're so close is b/c the weight of the cars are only about 130lbs apart or so... that's like drag racing with another person in your car, which would only cost you a couple of tenths... not a full half-second.
Other then that they're the same car so that's why they're the same speed (basically).
Other then that they're the same car so that's why they're the same speed (basically).
09-05-2002, 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by jimcol711
if they are identical at the drag strip why do the TL-S times consistantly show slower in mags and at tracks? i mean not by much, but i dont think a stock TL-S ever did less than a 14.8, 14.7
if they are identical at the drag strip why do the TL-S times consistantly show slower in mags and at tracks? i mean not by much, but i dont think a stock TL-S ever did less than a 14.8, 14.7
edit - wow... it's only 48lbs difference? For some reason I remember it being more... well... then that even further explains why they're so similar in times....
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09-05-2002, 12:17 PM
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I was told my the dealer that the reason why the CL is not much lighter than TL is because since two door car has less structural integrity, therefore, when Honda designed the CL, they added a bunch of extra structural support to make it just as safe as the 4 door cars.
I guess I can't argue with that one, I take safty over speed anyday!!
I guess I can't argue with that one, I take safty over speed anyday!!
09-05-2002, 12:19 PM
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So whatelse is causing the CL to be so heavy besides the rims?
U'd think MINUS the 2 extra doors and the extra body after the b-pillar plus a full size seat in the back (not that the seats themselves weight much) would reduce more then just 50 or so lbs
U'd think MINUS the 2 extra doors and the extra body after the b-pillar plus a full size seat in the back (not that the seats themselves weight much) would reduce more then just 50 or so lbs
09-05-2002, 12:21 PM
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TL's are faster.
09-05-2002, 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by CLS2001_97124
I was told my the dealer that the reason why the CL is not much lighter than TL is because since two door car has less structural integrity, therefore, when Honda designed the CL, they added a bunch of extra structural support to make it just as safe as the 4 door cars.
I was told my the dealer that the reason why the CL is not much lighter than TL is because since two door car has less structural integrity, therefore, when Honda designed the CL, they added a bunch of extra structural support to make it just as safe as the 4 door cars.
i suppose so....
nothing else really explains
09-05-2002, 12:26 PM
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Yes the TLs has 2 more doors, but keep in mind the CLs doors are much longer therfore making them weight more then 2 tls doors. I would think our 2 doors equals 3 tls doors in weight.
09-05-2002, 01:24 PM
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The individual car probably makes more of a difference.
IN some car reviews the TLS is faster, in others the CLS.
The weight is very close. The wheels are a bit lighter on the TLS than on a 2001 CLS.
Someone mentioned structural rigidity, and it is not clear that the CLS or TLS is more crash worthy or has a stiffer chassis.
When the TLS came out, people were asking, "Why is the TLS faster?"
YMMV
IN some car reviews the TLS is faster, in others the CLS.
The weight is very close. The wheels are a bit lighter on the TLS than on a 2001 CLS.
Someone mentioned structural rigidity, and it is not clear that the CLS or TLS is more crash worthy or has a stiffer chassis.
When the TLS came out, people were asking, "Why is the TLS faster?"
YMMV
09-05-2002, 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by TypeSKid
THE TL-S is not faster.
even when i was stock I never have lost to one.
THE TL-S is not faster.
even when i was stock I never have lost to one.
If you only weigh 50lbs, I would believe that....
Don't forget, there is always someone out there that has a faster car...
09-05-2002, 03:13 PM
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Maybe stock-for-stock the TL-S might be a hair faster, but this doesn’t hold true after the buyer brings it home.
The reason the TL-S is slower is because of what is usually rolling around in the trunk and back seat.
Items like:
Car-Seats for the grandchildren
Jumbo size box of “Depends”
Photo Albums
Retirement home brochures
Stacks of Bee Gee’s & Kenny Rodgers CD’s
Case of “Boost”
You know....Typical 4-DOOR FAMILY CAR stuff.
Shawn S
PS.......
The reason the TL-S is slower is because of what is usually rolling around in the trunk and back seat.
Items like:
Car-Seats for the grandchildren
Jumbo size box of “Depends”
Photo Albums
Retirement home brochures
Stacks of Bee Gee’s & Kenny Rodgers CD’s
Case of “Boost”
You know....Typical 4-DOOR FAMILY CAR stuff.
Shawn S
PS.......
09-05-2002, 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by Shawn S
Maybe stock-for-stock the TL-S might be a hair faster, but this doesn’t hold true after the buyer brings it home.
The reason the TL-S is slower is because of what is usually rolling around in the trunk and back seat.
Items like:
Car-Seats for the grandchildren
Jumbo size box of “Depends”
Photo Albums
Retirement home brochures
Stacks of Bee Gee’s & Kenny Rodgers CD’s
Case of “Boost”
You know....Typical 4-DOOR FAMILY CAR stuff.
Shawn S
PS.......
Maybe stock-for-stock the TL-S might be a hair faster, but this doesn’t hold true after the buyer brings it home.
The reason the TL-S is slower is because of what is usually rolling around in the trunk and back seat.
Items like:
Car-Seats for the grandchildren
Jumbo size box of “Depends”
Photo Albums
Retirement home brochures
Stacks of Bee Gee’s & Kenny Rodgers CD’s
Case of “Boost”
You know....Typical 4-DOOR FAMILY CAR stuff.
Shawn S
PS.......
Oh and who can forget our awesome factory AVAILABLE BODY KIT
09-05-2002, 04:14 PM
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Sometimes when engines are made and tested, some turn out to be "down" engines and some "up" engines with either slightly more or less power. This could explain the difference in that one test that came from some magazine. I think you'll find that most CL's are a hair faster than TL's in the percentage tested.
09-05-2002, 04:19 PM
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LOL.. that's true.... but at least we can see better at night with our real factory fog lights
Oh and who can forget our awesome factory AVAILABLE BODY KIT
LOL.. that's true.... but at least we can see better at night with our real factory fog lights
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09-05-2002, 04:52 PM
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Re: Why isnt our CL-S much faster the TL-S ??
Originally posted by shaHn78
They both have the same engines and all but one's 4 dr and other a 2dr. Which i assume means the CL weights less and weight being the enemy #1, the CL should be atleast .5 secs faster. Yet its not and there's barely 0.2 - 0.3 difference in 0-60 tests.
Now if for some reason the CL weights MORE then the tl than thats an entirely different issue and wouldnt make much sense as to why its porkier. Anyone enlighten me as to why our cars arent that much fast?
of course i'm talking about both being type-s AUTOS and being comparably equipped..... and u with the 6speed shant make smart-ass remarks!
They both have the same engines and all but one's 4 dr and other a 2dr. Which i assume means the CL weights less and weight being the enemy #1, the CL should be atleast .5 secs faster. Yet its not and there's barely 0.2 - 0.3 difference in 0-60 tests.
Now if for some reason the CL weights MORE then the tl than thats an entirely different issue and wouldnt make much sense as to why its porkier. Anyone enlighten me as to why our cars arent that much fast?
of course i'm talking about both being type-s AUTOS and being comparably equipped..... and u with the 6speed shant make smart-ass remarks!
09-05-2002, 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by juniorbean
LOL.. that's true.... but at least we can see better at night with our real factory fog lights
Oh and who can forget our awesome factory AVAILABLE BODY KIT
LOL.. that's true.... but at least we can see better at night with our real factory fog lights
Oh and who can forget our awesome factory AVAILABLE BODY KIT
Shawn S
09-05-2002, 08:02 PM
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i dunno but when my tls was stock to stock with my friends cls, i slowly gained on him from a rollin start 15-60mph. i havent loss to a cls yet....ahhaha
09-05-2002, 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by CLS2001_97124
I was told my the dealer that the reason why the CL is not much lighter than TL is because since two door car has less structural integrity, therefore, when Honda designed the CL, they added a bunch of extra structural support to make it just as safe as the 4 door cars.
I was told my the dealer that the reason why the CL is not much lighter than TL is because since two door car has less structural integrity, therefore, when Honda designed the CL, they added a bunch of extra structural support to make it just as safe as the 4 door cars.
BTW, shoot that dealer...:P
09-05-2002, 08:27 PM
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It all makes perfect sense as the differences are negligible. The CL weight is marginally less. But the TL has the afore mentioned narrower rims (I assume they weigh less) and it has a longer wheel base. This slightly longer wheel base will allow it to transfer less off the front and possibly get out of the hole a bit quicker.
With all things considered, I’d say they are evenly matched.
CL Wheel Base 106.9
Curb Weight
3470 lbs (1574 kg)
Automatic: 3510 lbs (1592 kg)
Manual 3446 lbs (1563 kg)
Weight Distribution (% front/rear)
Automatic 66/37
Manual 62/38
TL Wheel Base 108.1
Curb Weight
3492 lbs (1584 kg)
3558 lbs (1614 kg)
Weight Distribution (% front/rear)
62/38
With all things considered, I’d say they are evenly matched.
CL Wheel Base 106.9
Curb Weight
3470 lbs (1574 kg)
Automatic: 3510 lbs (1592 kg)
Manual 3446 lbs (1563 kg)
Weight Distribution (% front/rear)
Automatic 66/37
Manual 62/38
TL Wheel Base 108.1
Curb Weight
3492 lbs (1584 kg)
3558 lbs (1614 kg)
Weight Distribution (% front/rear)
62/38
09-05-2002, 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by BSK181
would you say that if you still had the cl?
what are you trying to say here toy boy
would you say that if you still had the cl?
what are you trying to say here toy boy
that is all.
the better weight distribution is also why I will out corner any of you too
09-05-2002, 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by Astroboy
.....the better weight distribution is also why I will out corner any of you too
.....the better weight distribution is also why I will out corner any of you too
Shawn S
09-05-2002, 10:42 PM
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it's only about 220 pounds...and it actually helps the balance of the car...makes it a lot closer to 50/50 which only makes it feel better when coupled with my other susp mods...
09-05-2002, 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by Shawn S
Maybe stock-for-stock the TL-S might be a hair faster, but this doesn’t hold true after the buyer brings it home.
The reason the TL-S is slower is because of what is usually rolling around in the trunk and back seat.
Items like:
Car-Seats for the grandchildren
Jumbo size box of “Depends”
Photo Albums
Retirement home brochures
Stacks of Bee Gee’s & Kenny Rodgers CD’s
Case of “Boost”
You know....Typical 4-DOOR FAMILY CAR stuff.
Shawn S
PS.......
Maybe stock-for-stock the TL-S might be a hair faster, but this doesn’t hold true after the buyer brings it home.
The reason the TL-S is slower is because of what is usually rolling around in the trunk and back seat.
Items like:
Car-Seats for the grandchildren
Jumbo size box of “Depends”
Photo Albums
Retirement home brochures
Stacks of Bee Gee’s & Kenny Rodgers CD’s
Case of “Boost”
You know....Typical 4-DOOR FAMILY CAR stuff.
Shawn S
PS.......
09-06-2002, 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by Astroboy
it's only about 220 pounds...and it actually helps the balance of the car...makes it a lot closer to 50/50 which only makes it feel better when coupled with my other susp mods...
it's only about 220 pounds...and it actually helps the balance of the car...makes it a lot closer to 50/50 which only makes it feel better when coupled with my other susp mods...
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Originally posted by juniorbean
LOL.. that's true.... but at least we can see better at night with our real factory fog lights
Oh and who can forget our awesome factory AVAILABLE BODY KIT
LOL.. that's true.... but at least we can see better at night with our real factory fog lights
Oh and who can forget our awesome factory AVAILABLE BODY KIT