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2001 Auto Cl-s With I/h/e Vs. Stock 2003 Tsx With Honadata (spell Check Please) Ecu. Who Would Win?

DanMan1464

hahahahah

obviously the CL-s....

BC2G

cl x 100

TypeSblkura

iTrader: (1)

the cl definetly

white3.0

CL-S would straight smash on a TSX

pimpscls

cl would own the tsx by alot, i personally think the tsx is way under powered

goldmemberer

...why this question? Were you really unsure if a 300+ hp car could beat a low 200s hp car?

Red-CL

What cars are you comparing?

The CL-S only has 260hp.




Maybe I missed something.

sauceman

I'm sorry to break it to you folks, but I raced an auto CLS. We were both in stock form, and it finished dead even.

http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8992

Flame away folks: I just had to.

derelict

Everyone is going to have a story where they beat (or was close) a car they shouldn't have. There's nothing to really break to us... the cl-s6 couldn't drive a stick. It happens all the time - in many makes of cars.

sauceman

It was an auto CLS. If it had been a stick, I wouldn't have even tried, I already thought I was toast with the auto.

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130881

CL-S is rated at 15.0 in this thread. I assume that's with a 6MT. An auto could easily drop 3-4 tenths, which is equivalent to the runs I've been doing with the TSX. So I wouldn't consider it a lucky run.

rezurex

2001 Auto Cl-s With I/h/e... read the first post

i have a tsx and i have a cl... and i will definitely tell you that my tsx is not nearly as quick as my cl. even with tuning, NA vs NA the cl will win. 6cyl 3.2 vtec vs 2.4 i-vtec 4 cyl... the tsx would need some sort of forced induction (which i am considering getting on my tsx) to really make big gains.

the tsx is more for cornering than for sprinting IMO. it corners incredibly well...

just my

Chaptorial

Obviously the CL.

But ya can't beat those TSX gauges.

rezurex

yea the tsx lighted guages are nice if they made a kit for the CL for something like that i would def get it

blxmjx

As far as I know the hondata flash for the tsx isn't out yet. But if it comes out w/similar gains as the rsx and is manual w/a good driver I'd pick the tsx hands down. A hondata flashed rsx can pull down close to 190 whp.

derelict

Sauce re-read your post in that thread again....

"2. Acura CL Type-S: Stick-Shift. I thought, OMG I am gonna get my ass whooped. Well believe it or not, it was dead even all the way to the end. So much that we don't know who won. But I can tell you guys I had a really good launch which saved my ass a little. Anyhow, I was really pleased with that race."

A stock auto CL-S will typically run 14.9-15.0 E/T's... but many people have run faster too. It all depends on the driving conditions/weather, elevation, etc. The 6 speed CL runs 14.5s and better. You may have had a good run against a stock auto CL where he got a bad launch... or wasn't gate shifting... but you DID get lucky. To think otherwise is folly. I would never go over to the M3 forum and imply my CL w/ I/H could keep up with their car in the 1/4 just because it happened once.

I love the TSX too... but it's no CL when it comes to performance. Gimme the gauge cluster though

edit: btw, that thread shows a 2002 CL... so it couldn't have been a M/T. And I'd never trust a compilation thread like that for accurate E/Ts. Same with car-stats.com.

ferizzo

Derelict is correct that an auto CLS typically runs high 14s to very low 15s. a CLS6 runs low to mid 14s. I am referring to stock obviously. Modded the CLS6 is a low 14 and the auto is a low to mid 14 depending on who is driving!

a TSX will lose to a TLS/CLS but not by a whole lot (at least from a dig) and depending on the launch can be relatively even (as proven by your encounter). from a roll the CLS/TLS should walk a TSX.

Now modded I have read that the RSXs get high 13s but these are heavily modded (wheels, Hondata, headers, intake, and exhaust). I would garner a guess that the Hondata itself wouldn't give a huge gain so I would still bet on the i/h/e CLS auto vs. a "chipped" TSX.

Oh and this is only referring to a manny TSX because the autos would get walked hard! btw, I'm guessing that the TSXs are a little heavier than the RSXs so I don't think they would be the same.

mantis23

TSX ALL THE WAY!

Black CL-S 4-Life

F23A4

I'll chime in as an 02 Maxima owner. The stock CLS auto roughly runs the same times as my Maxima but may have an edge in traps and topend. That said, I cant imagine a TSX (Hondata or not) running anywhere near as well as a well driven stock VQ35DE Maxima, let alone a well driven CL-S (w/ I/H/E). $.02

white3.0

something was wrong with his car or he couldnt drive, but none the less good kill

Red-CL

berny

heheheh

NSX-Tuner

CLS - period!!!

sauceman

derelict and ferrizo, I stand corrected.

Oh and it was a bone-stock CLS. Your modded CLS would most definitely fare much better. I'd say good luck on finding a TSX driver who'll honestly want to give you a run. Pretty much all of us are more than aware of it's limits. Like it's been said, the TSX is not about straight line power, its about... it's lighted gauges!

BTW, you should have seen the guy's face after the race. It was priceless!

darrinb

sauce man your best time is a 15.3, u can beat a very poorly driven cl-s, but 99/100 drivers should be able to take ya

Black CL-S 4-Life

ferizzo

Unlike some folks I believe your story but 9/10 times the CLS would win. I like the TSX a lot but would love it if it had the j32 in it instead...although it would probably not handle as well.

F23A4

TSX would be cool if it was running some boost. There was a boosted K24A 7G Accord @ the NYIAS this past April. That setup would be sweet in the TSX, which looks MUCH better IMO.

With Hondata alone, it'll have very little chance of beating a CLS with I/H/E; particularly if the I/H part is Comptech.

Brady6226

i have seen a RSX wiht hondata and aem cold air intake run a 14.2 at 100 on stock tires. so a tsx with hondata you never know

1SICKLEX

I can beat a TSX on my un-modded Camel.......

sauceman

You've done better

sauceman

Funny how Comptech seems to be the shit with the TL / CL and with the TSX, it's really very disappointing: Hardly any power gains.

sixgearcl

sauce man.... ju wanna race?!?!

EVANCRUZ

anyone fimilar with the Gilman Springs street races? every Sat. and Sun night a shit load of cars show up, mostly imports but some muscle cars participate. 12am til whenever,
it's in the middle of nowhere so it's rare to have the police show up. if or when they do they just tell everyone to go home, then 15min later everyone is back at it again. They have the 1/4 mile markers painted into the street the whole nine yards. anyways i'm the only one that shows up with a cls. I usually just watch but the night after i got my headers installed i just had to run it. first car i ran was an 03' rsxs with headers, exhaust, pulleys, intake and aftermarket wheels and tires. at the time i didn't have my cai on yet. i not only got him out of the hole but had at least 4 cars on him at the end of the 1/4. Carlos (the rsx owner) was surprised i pulled him that hard. so was i.... next car was a modded 89-90 tuarus SHO. this car sounded wicked he dropped his clutch for a little burnout action and i thought i was in trouble. but at the end of the day it was only about a car length faster the the rsx. the main event was my poor cls vs. an 9? (2nd gen. body style) eclipse GSX runing 14lbs of boost, race fuel, intake, exh. ouch! so i'm thinkin ass whoopage, my ass.
this is the moment i really needed those toyos to bite down. when the arms dropped i stayed dead even in 1st and from 2nd on i pulled little by little until i had 1/2 a car between his front bumper and my rear. had he sacrificed his clutch a little more i would have probably lost. most the guys out there didn't have any idea what a cl could do or even new they were produced with a 6spd. but they have much respect for the cl's now. now they're hittin me up to race an evo.... i don't think i'm there yet. it would be nice to see some fellow cl drivers out there. maybe one of the s/c'd or turboed cl's to put those evos in there place. whether to watch or whatever. i don't encourage recless driving or street races but my wife's totally into the scene so for me it's something we have in common. its safer then racing down a city street or hwy. nothing but flat farm lands.
last month on one Sat. they raced til the sun came up.... one funny thing, the evo guy won't run my lightning.....

ClutchPerformer

1. There is no Hondata for the TSX (yet).
2. CL-S with i/h/e would beat the crap out of a TSX with anything availible right now (even if the TSX is a manual).
3. There is no 2003 TSX

Go beat that TSX. We're slow.