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Old Jun 27, 2004 | 05:38 PM
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What are we supposed to do about the Unichip?

At this point, I'm leaning towards not accepting the delivery from FedEx and having the unit sent back to Unichip.

What are everyone else's opinions at this point?

Do you think Unichip will be a PITA about refunding money or might we have to contest the charges through our credit card company.

This sucks!

I pretty much have to decide by tonight whether to hang the FedEx notice on my door for them to deoiver it or call them and have them send it back.

Thoughts?
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 05:49 PM
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i think it would premature to send it back/refuse delivery at this point...
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 05:50 PM
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Are you having 2nd thoughts based upon my dyno? There are multiple factors that may have contributed to my poor performance. I only put down 222whp on the stock ECU. I should have been closer to 230 with I/H/E. I plan on going back to the dyno sometime this week with just 93 octane and running only on Map A and see if the results change at all. I also plan on going to the track soon. Possibly Friday night. I would sign for the FedEx package. You can always sell it to another board member who missed out on the groupbuy. There are many people who would buy it.
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 05:59 PM
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Old Jun 27, 2004 | 06:35 PM
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after ant's and steves horror stories i am getting worried, but i will still try it out on my car
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 06:40 PM
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Just for a point of reference:

My CLS 6MT with CT i/h/b-pipe/e running with OEM wheels and PS A/S 225/50ZR17s dyno'd at 236 WHP and 201 lbs tq. This was done at CompTech where the temp was in the 60's. A 5AT with the same setup would probably have dyno'd at 225 WHP and 195 lbs tq. I would expect at least a 5% gain from the UniChip. I say this base on several conversations I had with Jack at UniChip. I decided against the UniChip since I planned to do a S/C later on.
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cls6sp03
Just for a point of reference:

My CLS 6MT with CT i/h/b-pipe/e running with OEM wheels and PS A/S 225/50ZR17s dyno'd at 236 WHP and 201 lbs tq. This was done at CompTech where the temp was in the 60's. A 5AT with the same setup would probably have dyno'd at 225 WHP and 195 lbs tq. I would expect at least a 5% gain from the UniChip. I say this base on several conversations I had with Jack at UniChip. I decided against the UniChip since I planned to do a S/C later on.
Thanks for the input. According to mattg's dyno he gained over 22 whp at 7000 rpm. According to my dyno I start to lose power during Vtec. I'm confused and if I don't hear back from Uni-chip tomorrow I'm going to be very angry.
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 07:17 PM
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Thanks for the input. According to mattg's dyno he gained over 22 whp at 7000 rpm. According to my dyno I start to lose power during Vtec. I'm confused and if I don't hear back from Uni-chip tomorrow I'm going to be very angry.
Sorry to hear some of you guys are having issues. I hope you can work them out. It's starting to sound like though that each car may need its own map done individually. How far are each of the guys who purchased the UniChip from a tuning shop that can do the remapping?
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cls6sp03
Sorry to hear some of you guys are having issues. I hope you can work them out. It's starting to sound like though that each car may need its own map done individually. How far are each of the guys who purchased the UniChip from a tuning shop that can do the remapping?

I would think that is odd though. I'm sure they have done larger group buys before where each chip was given the same map. If they couldn't do it right with those groupbuys I don't know why they would be doing this one either.
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 07:38 PM
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I would think that is odd though. I'm sure they have done larger group buys before where each chip was given the same map. If they couldn't do it right with those groupbuys I don't know why they would be doing this one either.
Good point!!! Let's hope you don't have to change your avatar for ominous reasons.
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by cls6sp03
Good point!!! Let's hope you don't have to change your avatar for ominous reasons.

I'm about to put a big red circle around it with a line through the middle.
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 09:17 PM
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^^^hahaha. Yeah..maybe we can go to a local re-mapping uni-chip distributor and personally watch them re-map it??
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 10:15 PM
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Isn't the cat on your car gutted? This might be a factor in your recent backfire.
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 10:24 PM
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Nonono...I had a gutted cat for aprox 1 week...then took it off and sold it. As for the backfire...it wasn't like a gunshot backfire, just slight burbles but it never did that before the uni-chip. And it was weird cause if i rev it to like 4.5k rpm and let off the gas...no backfire but only if i rev it to like 3.5k rpm...it just makes a slight burble or something.

Neways...I just took it out for a small roadtest on this semi-cool night. My conclusions as of now. I definitly feel like I lost some torque. It does pull harder, but like I said before...not sure if it pulls harder on WOT, just half throttle. And..no more flashing check engine light as of now. Will update tommorow on the temp DTC and more roadtesting.
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 10:25 PM
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What exhaust do you have? The Comptech? Mine has ALWAYS had that burble when I let off around 3-3.5k. I kinda like it
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 10:29 PM
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yeah..comptech. Really. I never noticed it before. Does everyone else have this w/ comptech exhaust. Maybe I just got too nervous cause I noticed it right after my check engine lite started to flash.
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 10:30 PM
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It sounds like the noise the 350z or G35c makes when they let off. It is totally normal.
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 10:34 PM
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is it a dud?
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 10:34 PM
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matt gained 22whp @ redline n/a or on the spray???
Old Jun 27, 2004 | 10:35 PM
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Old Jun 27, 2004 | 10:39 PM
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Old Jun 27, 2004 | 10:43 PM
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huh

Quit post whoring... you are posting 1 word, pointless reponses in all the threads. Shush.
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 12:16 AM
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sorry to hear bout the chip Ant, sure things will work itself out. I'm still interested in the chip, at least once all the bugs are fixed.
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 01:38 AM
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yeah..comptech. Really. I never noticed it before. Does everyone else have this w/ comptech exhaust. Maybe I just got too nervous cause I noticed it right after my check engine lite started to flash.

prechip-i've noticed a occasional burble through the exhaust when letting off the gas
now there seems to be a more pronounced de-acceleration when you let off after
accelerating hopefully it's do to accelerating harder
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jet-tek
prechip-i've noticed a occasional burble through the exhaust when letting off the gas
now there seems to be a more pronounced de-acceleration when you let off after
accelerating hopefully it's do to accelerating harder

Simple test for your theory:

Just hit a target speed, say 50 MPH. First use hard acceleration (WOT) to reach 50, hold for 1/10 second, and then decelerate.

Then do the same acceleration run to 50 MPH, but leave it 50 MPH for a minute -- or more. Then decelerate the exact same way.


If the popping is the same, the acceleration is eliminated. Normally, a properly designed unit should NEVER have its acceleration impact its deceleration behavior. The only thing that I can thing of is: having a too-lean or other condition that would result in the engine -- or related parts -- being too hot, too full of excess fuel, or negatively impacted by the acceleration. And, since we are only talking about small gains (changes), I have serious doubt based on my own experiences…
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 04:39 AM
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prechip-i've noticed a occasional burble through the exhaust when letting off the gas
now there seems to be a more pronounced de-acceleration when you let off after
accelerating hopefully it's do to accelerating harder
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MY CLS had some serious backfire problems (if that is what u mean by occasional burble) with I/H/E(FULL custom catback with no resonator)...
MY G35 backfires every time i shift in first 3 gears
MY scion backfires too

backfire is normal especially after your exhausts/car gets hot....
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 10:02 AM
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Was the UNICHIP tested on any vehicles during development?...I am suprised to hear that the product is having these issues.
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 10:57 AM
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More information is needed before make conclusions. Let's just see what happens with others along with how Unichip responds.
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 10:58 AM
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BTW, I have had a slight sputtering sound since I have owned this car when at idle.
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 02:31 PM
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Yeah so far I've only heard problems .. is there anyone out there that isnt having any problems? or feels gains?
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 02:34 PM
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Yeah so far I've only heard problems .. is there anyone out there that isnt having any problems? or feels gains?

You, Brian, and Matt.
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 02:44 PM
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You could feel the gains though or think you do but without a dyno I'm afraid you'll never really know.. IMO.
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 03:23 PM
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Jonesi,

Just bite the bullet and take it in for a dyno! I'm sure all of the members will be greatly appreciated. Find a good shop and ask them if they have any dyno days/event coming up. I've done dyno's for $50 for 3 pulls. Don't let these *first few* reactions ruin/doubt your own.

I'm not doubting anything mrsteve or ant has to say, but from what i've read so far, seems like issues are getting either addressed or its not happening again.

Like allmotor says.. all motors are just a little bit different, same with the ECU. We don't know what Ant or Mrsteve's driving habbits are like, the chip was tuned on my car, and then further tuned on Mattg's. I'm sure the "chip" helps our car. The question is.. Does the Map help everyone. Remember i had mentioned that when they first put in the new chip in my car, my car was throwing a CEL also, therefore they had to do additional road testing to make sure everything was all good.

I still believe Unichip is a good product for those of us who don't know how to tune cars, or have the abilities to do it on a fly. Maybe the map they've extracted from Matt and my car will work for most CLS, just not all.
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 03:31 PM
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I agree Bri.. I'll probably make a trip to the same dyno that Steve took his to since they are a UniChip dealer.. It's worth the extra money to make make sure I'm/we are getting what we paid for.. I'll probably contact UniChip before I go to make sure they will be able to tune it if is off a little bit.. I'm very enthused to see UniChip really standing behind their product. I'll just take the extra money they saved us $60-$70 and take her to a dyno..

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Jonesi,

Just bite the bullet and take it in for a dyno! I'm sure all of the members will be greatly appreciated. Find a good shop and ask them if they have any dyno days/event coming up. I've done dyno's for $50 for 3 pulls. Don't let these *first few* reactions ruin/doubt your own.

I'm not doubting anything mrsteve or ant has to say, but from what i've read so far, seems like issues are getting either addressed or its not happening again.

Like allmotor says.. all motors are just a little bit different, same with the ECU. We don't know what Ant or Mrsteve's driving habbits are like, the chip was tuned on my car, and then further tuned on Mattg's. I'm sure the "chip" helps our car. The question is.. Does the Map help everyone. Remember i had mentioned that when they first put in the new chip in my car, my car was throwing a CEL also, therefore they had to do additional road testing to make sure everything was all good.

I still believe Unichip is a good product for those of us who don't know how to tune cars, or have the abilities to do it on a fly. Maybe the map they've extracted from Matt and my car will work for most CLS, just not all.
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 04:41 PM
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Read... food for thought...

Excerpt from SCC -- just moving around and changing locations and gas was changing the results of an "ECU piggyback." So, this is just something to consider and mull over. It's a different car, different situation, but there is something that needs to be considered for a few moments....

LINK: http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0402scc_evosti/

Crap gas
Dyno results, however, were strange. Our car baselined at 225 hp on HKS's all-wheel-drive Dynojet. With the exhaust, output went up, but by a different amount and in a different part of the powerband with every pass. Our shitty, knock-prone Southern California gas was screwing with us, forcing the ECU to constantly dodge the dreaded ping. As you'll see in a moment, this should not be typical.

The next step, as usual, was a trip to Vishnu Performance. We relied on Vishnu for tuning on our WRX project car, and the following ordeal should explain why we've come back with the EVO.

The Vishnu EVO we tested back in the September '03 issue showed huge gains from retarding both cams 5 degrees, so we sent our car to Vishnu with a set of AEM cam gears in the trunk. Its mission: tune the car as is, with the stock cam timing and the RMR exhaust, then adjust the cam timing and tune it again. We wanted to see just how much power was available with each step.

That request should've been simple, as Shiv Pathak, Vishnu president, hydrocarbon-sniffing tuner, and occasional SCC contributor, had already tuned dozens of EVOs and, at that point, already had the maps pretty much dialed. Problem is, his EVO tuning is done with the ChipTorque Exede, a very sophisticated piggyback ECU, and a piggyback is limited to making adjustments relative to the stock ECU. Our ECU, for some reason, was different, so the offsets that worked on every other EVO were an utter failure on ours.

Pathak's only choice now was to custom-tune our car, an exhaustive iterative process he tackled with obsessive-compulsive thoroughness. Dialing in our two settings (stock cam timing and 5-degrees retarded) took him 189 dyno pulls, most of a day, and a tank and a half of gas.


Then the real work began. We returned to HKS, wanting all our testing to be done on the same dyno, and performance was back to its old, erratic self. Those 189 tuning runs were on crappy, 91-octane Northern California gas, but now we were on crappy, 91-octane Southern California gas. Despite having the same octane rating, the two fuels are clearly not the same. Luckily, we had anticipated just such a problem, and Pathak was already there, computer in hand. It took four hours and another 100 dyno pulls to get things dialed on our uniquely shitty petrol, but in the end, with pupils throbbing in a hybrdocarbon-poisoned haze, Pathak declared victory. The RMR exhaust, AEM cam gears, and Vishnu's exhaustive tuning took output from 233 to 273 hp with driveability and gas mileage improvements to boot.


Your results should vary
All this gasoline drama and our screwy ECU mean our results are a worst-case scenario. Our ECU was tuned more aggressively, with slightly leaner mixtures and more advanced timing than most. Strangely, our baseline dyno results are a close match for other stock EVOs, but the more aggressive stock tuning may explain why our car took the highway to knock sensor hell as soon as we put a free-flowing exhaust on it. This shouldn't happen on anyone else's EVO, and it certainly shouldn't happen in an area with 93-octane gas.


The exhaustive retuning drama should also be unique to our situation. Pathak has been making dozens of trips to various parts of the country to tune cars. With at least 10 cars gathered at each location, he's seen a comprehensive picture of regional fuel differences and is able to ship his Exede piggyback ECUs with different maps depending on where you live.

Just how big is the difference in fuel? The week before our second tuning session, Pathak was in Texas, where he was tuning on the same kind of Dynojet in similar weather conditions (hot and humid). Several Texan cars with the same modifications that made 273 hp on our car, made an even 300 hp at the wheels on 93-octane Texas gas. Color us jealous.

Someone might point out that this is a turbo application, but there is something that is "common:” maximizing performance by changing the factory settings with different setups.

YMMV
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 05:11 PM
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Ericl,

Good reading!

This is exactly the consideration we need to have prior to making judements on a product/company that has absolutely nothing to gain in screwing us.

Thanks for bring this interesting artical to our attention.
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